Name a Football player who died from COVID

[FlyFishnVol]

Ok, so do you think they are more prone to get the virus doing what they do now preparing for and playing games or joining in with the balance of the student body at most major universities? That is the bottom line to me.....

Preventing the spread is only a "more prone" if preventive measures are not taken, like wearing a mask. I had a hard time finding anyone at William Bryce wearing a mask....that is the problem. Preventive measures are not being taken seriously. Just because no one knows about a relative or football player who actually had C-19 doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[FLVOL_79]

You won’t find anyone who has died from corona.

My liver almost did

 

[GAVol]

Preventing the spread is only a "more prone" if preventive measures are not taken, like wearing a mask. I had a hard time finding anyone at William Bryce wearing a mask....that is the problem. Preventive measures are not being taken seriously. Just because no one knows about a relative or football player who actually had C-19 doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

They might as well have filled the stadium in Columbia. By the end of the 1st quarter it was apparent that they weren't enforcing anything. I'll bet 90% of the stadium wasn't wearing a mask.

 

[Duckyvol59]

Coronavirus has been around for years, most people affected with low grade flu symptoms . COVID 19 a new a more deadly stain of Coronavirus. Understanding the difference in the numbers is truly telling. Most news groups report the Corona numbers because its more scary

 

[MWAVolfan]

Can anyone name one? across the whole country? High School or College?

This really isnt to try to stir the pot - it is a genuine question because I do not know the answer. People are saying how the current regs are there to protect the kids in the university and I know there have been reports of kids on campus testing positive for COVID. The CDC says that there have been a total of 777 deaths related to COVID of people age 18-29 in the whole country since the pandemic began. Most of those also have co-morbidities but lets leave that aside. A simple question:

Out of this 777 total in the whole US of A, does anyone know if there has been a single one that played football? even if they weren't at school at the time.

Lets stretch it a bit more and ask out of the total 58 deaths of those ages 5-17, are there any High School football players among them?

I confess my pre-disposed bias is to sincerely doubt it, since if there was a single one, I suspect it would be front page news and used as evidence to shut down the season. But I don't know this for a fact so please my VN sleuths, see if there are any we may have missed.

If not, why exactly do we have all these protocols that are destroying the season if not a single football player in the country, either in school or out, has died from COVID?

What are the reasons being put forward to make these changes if not for the protection of the players? The coaches and staff? I mean, I could certainly see where someone like Chaney is at risk but these are not the reasons being put forward.

I really want to not be political about this - so this thread doesnt get shoved into the politics forum to die. So please keep this respectful, factual and related to football.

I think you have multiple things going on. First, dying from COVID may be the worst outcome, but it's not the only outcome. Many people who have "recovered" from COVID have had long lasting physical fallout (I know multiple people who suffered from the after-effects of COVID for 2-3 months after they were officially "better/not infected") Otherwise healthy people who run regularly not being able to run to the end of the block without completely losing their breath and having their heart rate spike like crazy. That for a fact would affect athletes ability to perform during an entire season since a season is only 3 months long.

Beside the players, the coaching staff is often old and not in good condition. The coaching staff also has families etc who could be affected.

Mind you, getting COVID can be pretty much completely preventable, unlike other things that can happen to a player (injuries, underlying conditions etc).

 

[whodeycin85]

This is why covid is a scam..

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.

The C.D.C.’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles. Officials at some state labs said the C.D.C. had not asked them to note threshold values or to share them with contact-tracing organizations.

 

[MWAVolfan]

This is why covid is a scam..

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.

The C.D.C.’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles. Officials at some state labs said the C.D.C. had not asked them to note threshold values or to share them with contact-tracing organizations.

Yeah but the consensus is that the covid test produces more false negatives than false positives. Meaning many more people have had COVID than reported.

 

[whodeycin85]

Yeah but the consensus is that the covid test produces more false negatives than false positives. Meaning many more people have had COVID than reported.

They are not technically false positive tho according to thr counts they are positives....according to the areticle almost 40% are run to the 30 to 40 cycle threshold....thats a huge %

 

[sjt18]

If someone is healthy enough to play football, they will not die from Covid. You might find a couple out there who have died with Covid, but not from.

It is very, very unlikely... but possible. It is more likely that they would die of complications from the flu statistically. Healthy people do die from follow on infections after having the flu.

 

[sjt18]

Yeah but the consensus is that the covid test produces more false negatives than false positives. Meaning many more people have had COVID than reported.

That's actually part of the point of that article. There isn't a "standard" for the number of amplification cycles needed to accurately render a result.

There is no doubt that far more people have had Covid than have been confirmed... but that has nothing to do with testing and everything to do with people not feeling sick enough to see a doctor. I believe CDC used a factor of about 10:1 for unreported vs confirmed when they calculated a 0.26% IFR. They were very likely "conservative". Some studies have shown a MUCH higher ratio.... meaning the IFR even with the early spike resulting from a lack of treatment protocols... is likely pretty "flu like".

 

[sjt18]

They are not technically false positive tho according to thr counts they are positives....according to the areticle almost 40% are run to the 30 to 40 cycle threshold....thats a huge %

And I believe I am correct in saying that after 30 or 35 the tests start detecting fragments of dead virus cells meaning a person had the virus but does not now.

We STILL need that rapid result test though. We would get the virus under control pronto. Nursing homes would be safe immediately.

 

[MWAVolfan]

That's actually part of the point of that article. There isn't a "standard" for the number of amplification cycles needed to accurately render a result.

There is no doubt that far more people have had Covid than have been confirmed... but that has nothing to do with testing and everything to do with people not feeling sick enough to see a doctor. I believe CDC used a factor of about 10:1 for unreported vs confirmed when they calculated a 0.26% IFR. They were very likely "conservative". Some studies have shown a MUCH higher ratio.... meaning the IFR even with the early spike resulting from a lack of treatment protocols... is likely pretty "flu like".

It actually has more to do with people thinking they have flu, getting tested for covid and the test coming back negative so they think they have the flu when in reality they had covid.

 

[Remy]

If I'm an asymptomatic carrier, nothing going on health wise, no temperature rise, no other symptoms, I have no reason to be tested. I don't know I have it, you don't know I have it, my doctor doesn't know I have it. At one point I could not get tested as they were only for people with symptoms. This is the bogeyman used to scare people. At one point a credible medical source from the WHO reported asymptomatic transmissions were rather rare. THAT caused a world wide panic in control rooms as there's no reason for all the BS we're doing for the virus if asymptomatic transmissions are rare or nonexistent. They walked it back rather quickly. But it cannot be denied this disease is not spreading at the rates anywhere close to the hysteria put out there on a daily basis. We're a nation of roughly 330 million people, this "pandemic" has infected in total, what 5 or 6 million and been running for 6 months? GMAFB

 

[sjt18]

It actually has more to do with people thinking they have flu, getting tested for covid and the test coming back negative so they think they have the flu when in reality they had covid.

I've followed this thing pretty close. I'm responsible for a relatively large team of people and want to make prudent decisions based on the facts. So far... our guys have used the points we've pushed and avoided infection. We have had no one infected at work. We've used virus killing air filtration instead of "requiring" masks on anyone not exhibiting symptoms. Masks are an option for anyone who wants to wear them. We are very careful about "distancing" and especially when working in closed spaces.

I simply have not seen proof for what you suggest. The "scares" we've had so far turned out to be a nasty early season flu bug... not Covid.

Also from the article... the less viral load the less likely it is to be detected... and the less contagious the person is. So it isn't entirely "inaccurate" to say that someone who does not experience and illness and is not contagious... is "negative".

 

[sjt18]

If I'm an asymptomatic carrier, nothing going on health wise, no temperature rise, no other symptoms, I have no reason to be tested. I don't know I have it, you don't know I have it, my doctor doesn't know I have it. At one point I could not get tested as they were only for people with symptoms. This is the bogeyman used to scare people. At one point a credible medical source from the WHO reported asymptomatic transmissions were rather rare. THAT caused a world wide panic in control rooms as there's no reason for all the BS we're doing for the virus if asymptomatic transmissions are rare or nonexistent. They walked it back rather quickly. But it cannot be denied this disease is not spreading at the rates anywhere close to the hysteria put out there on a daily basis. We're a nation of roughly 330 million people, this "pandemic" has infected in total, what 5 or 6 million and been running for 6 months? GMAFB

They walked it back "sort of". She came back out and said that the assertion did not apply to "pre-symptomatic" people. The study of contact traces she referred to... did not show asymptomatic spread. That's not "conclusive" but comes far closer than any of the supposed "proof" of asymptomatic spread.

The article posted by whodey... ASSUMES that both symptoms and contagiousness are a product of the viral load someone experiences. That is inching closer to an admission that masks on healthy people are not necessary.

 

[SayNoToJorts]

We need a Covid forum

 

[VOLINVONORE]

If someone is healthy enough to play football, they will not die from Covid. You might find a couple out there who have died with Covid, but not from.

Too soon to make that statement, because there are new data which have identified a genetic condition which prevents the body to manufacture its own interferon. It is a rare condition and occurs 95% in men rather than women. Back in the Spring, there was a boby Builder who died after a short time from his infection and it is believed that he carried that defective gene. However, the biggest threat tho teenagers and young people is the long term heart problem which occur in with Covid infections. Again, that may be lalso inked to genetics. Still a lot to learn about this new disease.

 

[volcop1]

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All I hear are crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can expand the question to MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, WNBA........................... Where's the beef fans? The Braves's Freddy Freeman was really sick with it in June and now he is probably going to be the MVP this year. The vulnerable have died from this, but the athlete demographics are fine and are being exploited by politics (hate to mention it), power hungry school administrators and those afraid of being sued. Most venues are open air and more if not all fans should be able to return to the games with temperature checks. Let's stop the nonsense and get back to enjoying life and let these kids-both athletes and all other students live their dreams.

temperature checks are useless

 

[volcop1]

Can anyone name one? across the whole country? High School or College?

This really isnt to try to stir the pot - it is a genuine question because I do not know the answer. People are saying how the current regs are there to protect the kids in the university and I know there have been reports of kids on campus testing positive for COVID. The CDC says that there have been a total of 777 deaths related to COVID of people age 18-29 in the whole country since the pandemic began. Most of those also have co-morbidities but lets leave that aside. A simple question:

Out of this 777 total in the whole US of A, does anyone know if there has been a single one that played football? even if they weren't at school at the time.

Lets stretch it a bit more and ask out of the total 58 deaths of those ages 5-17, are there any High School football players among them?

I confess my pre-disposed bias is to sincerely doubt it, since if there was a single one, I suspect it would be front page news and used as evidence to shut down the season. But I don't know this for a fact so please my VN sleuths, see if there are any we may have missed.

If not, why exactly do we have all these protocols that are destroying the season if not a single football player in the country, either in school or out, has died from COVID?

What are the reasons being put forward to make these changes if not for the protection of the players? The coaches and staff? I mean, I could certainly see where someone like Chaney is at risk but these are not the reasons being put forward.

I really want to not be political about this - so this thread doesnt get shoved into the politics forum to die. So please keep this respectful, factual and related to football.

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications
https://nypost.com/2020/09/08/college-football-player-dies-of-covid-19-complications/

 

[Pump Guy]

I will only pray that some on this board do not experience what my wife went through and come back with the typical, "If I only new" pitty-potty stories of how serious this is. I will spare the details, there are 100,000's of the same story. But I will share the one that give my wife nightmares; her first trip to the hospital, they are treating her in hazmat gear and there were two other people in the room because they were out of rooms. For over an hour a body sat outside her door while a man in the same room with her was struggling with every breath. After two months she still wakes up hoping he made it.

I know many on here will chose to believe anything they wish, so my attempt is not to change any minds, but ask you to respect the organizations and individuals who believe that when playing a game, they should at least make every attempt to mitigate risk to themselves and to their family from something they believe could be deadly even if you don't believe it.

 

[utvolpj]

College football player dies of COVID-19 complications
https://nypost.com/2020/09/08/college-football-player-dies-of-covid-19-complications/

That kid was 6'3" 355lbs and hadn't played football since March.

Also,

At this time, we do not have official confirmation on his cause of death.”

College football player Jamain Stephens COVID cause of death clarified

 

[82_VOL_83]

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All I hear are crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can expand the question to MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, WNBA........................... Where's the beef fans? The Braves's Freddy Freeman was really sick with it in June and now he is probably going to be the MVP this year. The vulnerable have died from this, but the athlete demographics are fine and are being exploited by politics (hate to mention it), power hungry school administrators and those afraid of being sued. Most venues are open air and more if not all fans should be able to return to the games with temperature checks. Let's stop the nonsense and get back to enjoying life and let these kids-both athletes and all other students live their dreams.

STFU, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!!!!! THIS IS VN!

 

[82_VOL_83]

I feel like you're trying to ask a serious question, so I'm going to give you a serious answer. If you just want someone to blindly agree with you, skip this post. No one (well no one intelligent) is claiming that healthy 22 year olds are going to start dropping from Covid. The protocols are in place to try to limit the spread from large events like sports because Covid-19 is very easy to transmit.

Let's use round numbers to create a rough example. UT plays South Carolina and 5 players from SC have the virus. They spread it to 25 guys on their team and 25 guys on UT. Those 50 guys now go back to campuses to visit their girlfriends who all catch it. Those 50 girlfriends take it back to their sorority or dorm and each infect 3 people. We're now at 250 in what could be a single day from just a single game. Obviously those numbers extrapolate out to get much larger very quickly and once you start seeing significantly higher numbers then you inevitably do run into people who are vulnerable to it. If you can limit spread, then you limit the risk to those who are vulnerable.

That makes just protecting the vulnerable people seem like the easiest solution, but we can't really create internment camps for old folks for however long it takes to create a vaccine. Staying home if you feel sick is a good rule to stick to as well, but I believe it has been proven (or hypothesized and not yet proven) that individuals can spread it prior to experiencing symptoms and while asymptomatic. So in a country of 300 million people if you can limit the spread to say 10 million and 1% of that group dies (it is probably lower, but don't make me do real math) then 100,000 people die. If you let it spread to half the population and 150 million people get it with the same mortality rate then you lose 1.5 million people. The protocols are in place so that we can continue to have some more normal things, like sports, while still not being completely reckless about how we spread the disease.

I already know your study is hosed, 50 football players gone spread it to about 250 chicks. You know that as well as I do. And why do you think that there may be 5 players positive in the game and infect 50 people? You go from a factor of 10 to 1 to 3. Maffs be hard.

 

[82_VOL_83]

They might as well have filled the stadium in Columbia. By the end of the 1st quarter it was apparent that they weren't enforcing anything. I'll bet 90% of the stadium wasn't wearing a mask.

They were wearing masks, they were just down around their necks. I saw tons of that.

 

[GAVol]

They were wearing masks, they were just down around their necks. I saw tons of that.

I was surprised at how many were walking around without them. I get that people didn't want to sit in the stands and wear them while they're spread out, but no way I was walking the concourse with those goofs.