National Champs. . .

#28
#28
Basketball takes time. Kids start getting recruited really young now. Pearl is now starting to get to these kids early enough and look whats happening. About to get another All-American. It takes some time. I'm willing to be patient and see what unfolds. Give him another 3 years or so
 
#29
#29
I dont know if we will ever win a title, but I do know one thing. Pearl will take us farther than we have ever been. Guaranteed. Hopefully that means a title.
 
#30
#30
95 Vol Alum said:
There are coaches/programs that are great that haven't made the Final 4 (Gonzaga, Missouri, BYU) and then those that aren't consistently great that have (George Mason, Miss St, St Johns). Think about how long Syracuse took to win it all or how long it took Maryland to get to the Final Four. I'm glad that we are in the conversation every year having attended UT during the Wade Houston era....
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Winning the WCC while playing such powerhouses as USF, Santa Clara and Pepperdine does not make you a good team. This is why the Zags fizzle out in the round of 32 or the Sweet 16 every year.
 
#33
#33
Not unless he figures out some way to attack a zone defense consistently. I just can't see how the style of basketball he coaches is ever going to win six games in a row in the tournament.
 
#34
#34
*assuming noone leaves early for the nba*

when we have:

kenny hall(sr)
tobias harris(jr)
kevin ware(so)
chris jones(so)
jordan mcrae(jr)
trae golden(jr)
skyler mcbee(sr)

and hopefully people like
adonias thomas(right name?) (so) and others

this is a year i would be highly disappointed to not make final four and hopefully n title. or possibly the year before. who knows.
 
#35
#35
vol_in_ga said:
*assuming noone leaves early for the nba*

when we have:

kenny hall(sr)
tobias harris(jr)
kevin ware(so)
chris jones(so)
jordan mcrae(jr)
trae golden(jr)
skyler mcbee(sr)

and hopefully people like
adonias thomas(right name?) (so) and others

this is a year i would be highly disappointed to not make final four and hopefully n title. or possibly the year before. who knows.
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If Harris is as good as it appears he is, I seriously doubt he will be here by his junior year.
 
#36
#36
Vercingetorix said:
Not unless he figures out some way to attack a zone defense consistently. I just can't see how the style of basketball he coaches is ever going to win six games in a row in the tournament.
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Here's how I see it. We have seen two versions of a Pearl coached team. One with so-so athletes but a couple of good 3-pt shooters that the opposing defense had to respect. One with good athletes but no consistent shooters. If Pearl can put those two together, I think post season success is a reasonable possibility.
 
#37
#37
LawVol13 said:
If Harris is as good as it appears he is, I seriously doubt he will be here by his junior year.
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yeah, thus the asterisks. one can hope right?

personally, imo pearl has gotton most kids to stick around. if tobias has mad love for ut, isnt it possible he wants to stay for the experioence opposed to using it like a stepping stool(ala caliparis players).
 
#38
#38
95 Vol Alum said:
those that aren't consistently great that have (George Mason, Miss St, St Johns)..
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Whoa. St. John's may be down right now, but they have 10 times the history of Mississippi State and George Mason combined. You could throw in Tennessee, and they'd still be miles ahead.

I think they've made some bad coaching hires since Lou Carnesecca retired, but that doesn't wipe out about 60 years as a national power before that, including two Final Fours and two NIT titles in 1943 and 1944, when the NIT winner had just as much claim on the national championship as the NCAA winner did (the '44 NCAA champ was a team that had lost in the NIT).
 
#39
#39
vol_in_ga said:
yeah, thus the asterisks. one can hope right?

personally, imo pearl has gotton most kids to stick around. if tobias has mad love for ut, isnt it possible he wants to stay for the experioence opposed to using it like a stepping stool(ala caliparis players).
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I doubt it. There are very, very few players that have lottery pick potential that would choose to continue to play in college as opposed to go pro and instantly make millions and millions of dollars.
 
#40
#40
we will add adonis thomas jones teamate at memphis melrose,and and we got real good shots to get kentavious caldwell,i also must be the only person to read that luke cothron is going to open his recruitment back up and he liked ut so jones pearl go get him call him asmuch as possible,and someone posted that selby was wanting pearl to come back and recruiting him,and someone said i dont want him anyways but if we can land him and he only plays one year so be it ,that will give golden time to mature into a better pg.we need great players but most of you are bound and determined trying to get mcbee a scholership he is making this year his family can afford it or he can get grants and student loans.i think mcbee was atleast a good aggresive player and was waiting on his what everyone called a tremendous three point shooter that and mcbee just are miles apart,if he were as good as lee humphrey was he might deserve scolly,but as long as everone happy with players like that ut want ever go any where.
 
#41
#41
If he can make the final four, there is no reason to believe he couldn't win a NC. If he keeps bringing in players like Harris, he will have every opportunity to win one.
 
#42
#42
hatvol96 said:
If you think Gonzaga, Missouri, and BYU have better histories than St. John's, you might want to consider a College Baketball 101 course. The game was actually played before 1998.
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I don't think that.

The discussion was on the NCAA tourney. Did go back and look just out of curiosity - included the last time St John's made the Final 4 (1985). The number of tournament appearances, which is what I was highlighting, by school is:

St Johns - 12
Mizzou - 15
Gonzaga - 12
BYU - 13

Since 1995:

St Johns - 4
Mizzou - 7
Gonzaga - 12
BYU - 7

Records in the tournament over those same periods vary some (most notably for BYU). With the others, I don't see much difference in the last 15-25 years.

All time appearances (Gonzaga is the outlier):

St John's - 26
Mizzou - 22
Gonzaga - 12
BYU - 24

I regret including St John's or Gonzaga as it distracted from the point - being in the tournament repeatedly is a great thing given where Tennessee was 15-20 years ago. Sometimes doing that enough will pay a big dividend - need some patience.

Longest post ever.....
 
#43
#43
vol_in_ga said:
yeah, thus the asterisks. one can hope right?

personally, imo pearl has gotton most kids to stick around. if tobias has mad love for ut, isnt it possible he wants to stay for the experioence opposed to using it like a stepping stool(ala caliparis players).
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pearl hasnt gotten any kids to stick around, they just honestly werent good enough to go. I think i read somewhere that Tobias wants to get his degree.
 
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