National Day of Prayer

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turambar85

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Pray for the separation of church and state, or for a little public reason. We're deficient in both.

Jeez, Obama is such a bloody joke.
 
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turambar85 said:
Pray for the separation of church and state, or for a little public reason. We're deficient in both.

Jeez, Obama is such a bloody joke.
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Yeah, remember when all those atheists were beaten up and forced to pray?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Yeah, remember when all those atheists were beaten up and forced to pray?
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Remember when the constitution was about more than pragmatic concerns? Even though those aren't entirely absent in this case.

Way to evade, though.
 
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So if a kid where's an atheist shirt to school today or the Darwin fish would he/she be sent home for baiting people?
 
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turambar85 said:
Remember when the constitution was about more than pragmatic concerns? Even though those aren't entirely absent in this case.

Way to evade, though.
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I'm trying to find what the downside for people against religion/prayer is. I didn't even know today was national day of prayer. It's not a big deal, at all.
 
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volinbham said:
So if a kid where's an atheist shirt to school today or the Darwin fish would he/she be sent home for baiting people?
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That's entirely possible. My friend was told to take off his "God is dead - Nietzsche" shirt when he was in high school a few years back.

But, regardless, I don't see the point entirely.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm trying to find what the downside for people against religion/prayer is. I didn't even know today was national day of prayer. It's not a big deal, at all.
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It's a big deal if the president releases a statement asking American's to pray, and explicitly mentioning God in an allegedly separated government.
 
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turambar85 said:
That's entirely possible. My friend was told to take off his "God is dead - Nietzsche" shirt when he was in high school a few years back.

But, regardless, I don't see the point entirely.
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Thats the great thing about it. You don't have to. Its your choice.
 
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turambar85 said:
It's a big deal if the president releases a statement asking American's to pray, and explicitly mentioning God in an allegedly separated government.
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Would you rather him ask you for more taxes?

You don't have to do the first. The second, different story.
 
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Not to mention, in its most commonly used form, prayer is the most repugnant aspect of religion. It even passes that meaningless term faith.

It is narcissism at its worst. It is a cry that says "God...I am infinitely more valuable than anybody else...I am my own locus of consciousness! Please take the effort to intercede on my behalf against the laws of nature and the course of the world as it has been, and make me happy!" Or, the more "altruistic" kind..."I really like this person, so please help them even though billions are in a much worse place."

National day of obscene egoism! Next week, national wishful thinking day!
 
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turambar85 said:
It is narcissism at its worst. It is a cry that says "God...I am infinitely more valuable than anybody else...I am my own locus of consciousness! Please take the effort to intercede on my behalf against the laws of nature and the course of the world as it has been, and make me happy!" Or, the more "altruistic" kind..."I really like this person, so please help them even though billions are in a much worse place."

National day of obscene egoism! Next week, national wishful thinking day!
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Don't embarrass yourself.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Thats the great thing about it. You don't have to. Its your choice.
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A) I was referencing his analogy, not the NDP. B) If it is a national day, it is less of a choice. It is a governmental endorsement of a private religious choice. That is a bit off kilter.
 
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turambar85 said:
A) I was referencing his analogy, not the NDP. B) If it is a national day, it is less of a choice. It is a governmental endorsement of a private religious choice. That is a bit off kilter.
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We re on the same page. Thats what I meant.

And as to the bold.
Not in the slightest.

Did you pray today?
 
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BeecherVol said:
We re on the same page. Thats what I meant.

And as to the bold.
Not in the slightest.

Did you pray today?
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Nope. But, if the government endorsed communism or atheism you would probably cry foul. Even if if didn't make capitalists become communists, or make christians become atheists, the sentiment is sometimes bad enough.
 
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turambar85 said:
Nope. But, if the government endorsed communism or atheism you would probably cry foul. Even if if didn't make capitalists become communists, or make christians become atheists, the sentiment is sometimes bad enough.
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I agree with what you're saying, and the law surprises me, but it's not a big deal. There's really no endorsement or discussion, honestly.

I just don't like the complaints I hear about things like "In God We Trust" as our motto, or other things relating more to the foundation of our country and not the promotion of religion.
 
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turambar85 said:
Nope. But, if the government endorsed communism or atheism you would probably cry foul. Even if if didn't make capitalists become communists, or make christians become atheists, the sentiment is sometimes bad enough.
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Basically it did not change your day in the slightest.

The government does not make me or you, one or the other.

Where you been? Ain't seen you around much.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Basically it did not change your day in the slightest.

The government does not make me or you, one or the other.

Where you been? Ain't seen you around much.
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Right, of course it doesn't make us one. But it doesn't mean that you should endorse something like that! I mean...are you in essence saying that words never matter?

And...busy and lost! I'm finishing finals now, so may be back more. But, the topics I'm interested in aren't brought up very often here....so, oh well!
 
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BeecherVol said:
Basically it did not change your day in the slightest.

The government does not make me or you, one or the other.

Where you been? Ain't seen you around much.
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He does have a point. If Obama said this law was unconstitutional, and it sounds like it is (though I haven't actually read it) people would have been furious.
 
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turambar85 said:
Right, of course it doesn't make us one. But it doesn't mean that you should endorse something like that! I mean...are you in essence saying that words never matter?

And...busy and lost! I'm finishing finals now, so may be back more. But, the topics I'm interested in aren't brought up very often here....so, oh well!
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The government passes/endorses stupidity everyday.

In my case if they endorse a day of pray, fine.
If they don't, Im gonna pray anyway so it doesn't matter.

In this instance their words mean little because their motive is not to change the country in to a God believing nation, its to appease a voting group.

Good luck with the finals!:hi:
 
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kptvol said:
I've often wondered how you cheated on the LSAT. You pay someone to take it for you?
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Not to knock lawgator, who has seemed clever enough, the LSAT is a remarkably easy test if you have any training in critical thinking. It doesn't take cheating! :)

But, the point about the relevance of the darwin/atheist shirt thing is legitimate. It doesn't really address the issue in any real way. There is no direct connection between the constitutional legitimacy of a governmental endorsement of religion, and whether or not a student would get kicked out of school for wearing an atheistic t-shirt.

Hell, it is entirely possible that somebody could get sent home from public school for wearing an atheistic shirt without it being a matter of church and state separation (as the school systems could begin eliminating any overtly political or religious messages on clothing), so the logic train doesn't even work that way. It is neither a necessary or sufficient condition. It just didn't make sense.
 
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Seems like a non-issue. There are plenty of "national days" that I don't give a whoot about.
 
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