[lawgator impression on] Clearly you weren't a "valid victorian" either. I assume by pocket presents you are refering to wonderful little gifts left inside the storage compartment of a pair of slacks. Surely pre madonna is a pop singer that was very popular before madonna, and not ever remotely close to the awesomeness of steely dan. [lawgator impression off]Only he has the pocket presents to think he is a pre madonna worthy of being a valid victorian.