NCAA Sanctions?

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Tennessee is expecting additional punishments. That’s why they asked for the 30 day extension to respond, meaning they wouldn’t get a bowl ban this season since we at the time had a really good shot at the playoff
 
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Grouse Stalker said:
Read UT's response. The university's defense is that it is not a reasonable expectation to properly oversee an organization if the people in charge have made a determination to break the rules and lie about doing so.

For real. That's actually what they have put forth.
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And?

If Pruitt is willing to withdraw money from his personal account and either personally give it or have his wife hand cash over to a parent/player, how exactly does UT prevent that ?

Freeze all his bank accounts once he's hired? Have a UT employee with him and his wife 24 hours a day? Force him and his wife to wear a gps tracker and/or a body camera 24 hours a day?

What reasonable effort could have been put in place to stop the handing over of cash?
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
Oh no, how does Pruitt sleep at night?!
So a guy that’s financially stable gave a person who isn’t, money to pay a medical bill, all the while trying to get said persons kid to come play for him.
That would be pretty low on the list of things that I don’t like about Pruitt.
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My opinion of him is higher reading that he helped out that mother with her medical bills so she could get that hip replacement.
 
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ENGRVOL said:
My opinion of him is higher reading that he helped out that mother with her medical bills so she could get that hip replacement.
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We can attack his character all we want, but 99.9% of us have no real clue about his character.
We can also pretend that most of the things Pruitt did are probably not done by the majority of D1 coaches.
The reality is, we fired Pruitt because he just wasn’t very good at his job, all the other stuff is just very convenient excuses.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
Oh no, how does Pruitt sleep at night?!
So a guy that’s financially stable gave a person who isn’t, money to pay a medical bill, all the while trying to get said persons kid to come play for him.
That would be pretty low on the list of things that I don’t like about Pruitt.
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I dig your handle. Was it the student newspaper, or Knox News Sentinel the day after that Torrential downpour? "Auburn Caught in Cobb-Webb."
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
Tennessee is expecting additional punishments. That’s why they asked for the 30 day extension to respond, meaning they wouldn’t get a bowl ban this season since we at the time had a really good shot at the playoff
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Could there be serious penalties coming for us after this nightmare?
 
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amstelman said:
In the released response, seems the university clearly places the blame for 18 Level 1 findings at the feet of JP, his wife wife and assistants. Almost hints that their actions occurred in a "what they don't know won't hurt us" environment. Perhaps, that's on PF.

Does anyone think the NCAA can act fast enough to hit us this season? Yeah, me either.

Would really like to see this resolved quickly so everyone, especially recruits and portal talent, has any doubts removed.

With all new staff from DW down, do you think we stand of chance of lighter penalties?
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Act fast enough!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Good grief its been 2 years now!!! Not going to nothing too bad if at all. I am not worried about major penalties at all. At this point if they do we will take it to a higher court. Our main penalty in all this is having to endure and wait for the NCAA to make a ruling while all other schools negative recruit you. That is the worst penalty out there just being under the cloud. But the NCAA is having to adjust themselves, the Supreme Court 9-0 ruling against them doesn’t bode well for them and I don’t think they want to see a major or group of majors schools take their butt to the highest court in the land if they had too. GBO
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
That's why I think they will have a show of force by adding to our sanctions but doing so mildly, except for Pruitt and the show cause.

They know if they overplay their hand the SEC will void them!
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Sometimes organizations like to have a boogie man, that they can blame for all their problems, let the boogie man take the punches and you still look like a decent organization. It’s why everyone loves to hate Roger goodell. He takes all the punches and black eyes and the nfl teams don’t have to actually want the changes that they pretend they do. Not saying for this exact situation, but in the future I think the conferences will want a centralized organization to blame all the bad on.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
Oh no, how does Pruitt sleep at night?!
So a guy that’s financially stable gave a person who isn’t, money to pay a medical bill, all the while trying to get said persons kid to come play for him.
That would be pretty low on the list of things that I don’t like about Pruitt.
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Right. Brazenly cheating and bringing unprecedented disgrace, infamy and shame upon our football program and university and making us a national laughingstock, as well as costing us scholarships that could have gone to other needy student-athletes, just isn’t that big of a deal. My bad.
 
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Would scholarship reductions do any harm now that we have NIL? Instead of a scholarship couldn't Spyre find them a deal that pays them cash that covers the value of a scholarship and then some and they just walk on? Or does a scholarship reduction limit the amount of players we can have including walk ons?
 
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UNC basketball had kids taking fake classes to pass and the NCAA did nada. It’s reasoning was…..prepare to laugh……the fake classes weren’t exclusive to athletes only.
Never mind the fake classes were overwhelmingly take by basketball players.
If that’s not some bullchit then I don’t know what is. If the NCAA tries to enforce anything extra then I’d use the 30 day extension to hire the most expensive law firm or law firms in the country and we’d get after it. The NCAA may be the worst ran organization sans the IRS.
 
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Every school cheats it in one way or another and to greater or lesser extent but it isn't a BFD unless they get caught.

We all know about Eric Dickerson and his car but two other personal accounts from people I know and trust supports this.

I have a friend who was an assistant professor at a prestigious state university who showed a mutual friend some papers that ball players in his class had written. He said it was 8th grade level at best.

And I had a friend (now deceased) who played at a D 1 school before playing in the NFL who told me that when he was being recruited he had multiple cash offers. On one visit to a middle America school he was met at the airport and taken directly to a motel where he was shown a suitcase containing $50,000 and told that it was his if would sign. He didn't do it and later signed at a west coast school where he was given a very high paying summer job caring for a wealthy boosters estate grounds. He said he wasn't required to do anything and basically just worked out while he was there.

IMO ....for all practical purposes the new NIL system is just a legal version of the old system.
 
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So, Fulmer manipulates the boosters and administration and finally becomes AD, a job he is not remotely qualified for. His big hire is Pruitt. He lauds Pruitt endlessly and publicly as the savior of Tennessee football. He gives Pruitt a contract extension with no mitigation clause. Pruitt is the man!!!

When the sh** hits the fan, we say it’s not our fault “we tried our best, we didn’t know he was a cheater…..”. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way in college athletics, never has, never will. Schools are held accountable for the actions of their coaches That’s why hiring the right AD who hires the right coaches is so damn important!

For those saying screw the NCAA, that doesn’t happen. Period. We need to let this play out, accept the punishment, and move on. We’ve got a pretty good looking team right now. Heupel is rebuilding quickly. We don’t want to run afoul of the NCAA or Greg Sankey.
 
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HSTVol said:
So, Fulmer manipulates the boosters and administration and finally becomes AD, a job he is not remotely qualified for. His big hire is Pruitt. He lauds Pruitt endlessly and publicly as the savior of Tennessee football. He gives Pruitt a contract extension with no mitigation clause. Pruitt is the man!!!

When the sh** hits the fan, we say it’s not our fault “we tried our best, we didn’t know he was a cheater…..”. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way in college athletics, never has, never will. Schools are held accountable for the actions of their coaches That’s why hiring the right AD who hires the right coaches is so damn important!

For those saying screw the NCAA, that doesn’t happen. Period. We need to let this play out, accept the punishment, and move on. We’ve got a pretty good looking team right now. Heupel is rebuilding quickly. We don’t want to run afoul of the NCAA or Greg Sankey.
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I get the feeling Sankey and the SEC are actually done with the situation.
The SEC's behind the scene stance will have a lot of influence on the NCAA.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
We can attack his character all we want, but 99.9% of us have no real clue about his character.
We can also pretend that most of the things Pruitt did are probably not done by the majority of D1 coaches.
The reality is, we fired Pruitt because he just wasn’t very good at his job, all the other stuff is just very convenient excuses.
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One of the aspects of Pruitt's job as a D1 coach was to cheat without getting caught. He seems to have failed spectacularly in that area.

I'll agree that's more of an intelligence issue than a character flaw but the guy didn't know what asparagus was. I can't imagine his intellectual deficits weren't obvious when he interviewed for the job...... but then again, Fulmer interviewed him.

I'll not attack his character but I'll plead with UT not to put another guy who doesn't know basic vegetables in charge of a multi-million dollar football program.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
If they SEC as a conference decided to no longer abide by the ncaa, they would collapse. They are almost there now. Then the SEC and the B1G would make all the rules!
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The NCAA is made up of member schools, and is a member led organization. 1,098 schools and 102 conferences with three divisions. You really think one conference and a handful of schools can make the NCAA collapse? Discipling cheaters is a fraction of what the NCAA does for colleges and athletes. They aren't going anywhere.

Speaking of rules. The NCAA members make the rules. One of those members is the University of Tennessee.
 
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GoVols1961 said:
The NCAA is made up of member schools, and is a member led organization. 1,098 schools and 102 conferences with three divisions. You really think one conference and a handful of schools can make the NCAA collapse? Discipling cheaters is a fraction of what the NCAA does for colleges and athletes. They aren't going anywhere.

Speaking of rules. The NCAA members make the rules. One of those members is the University of Tennessee.
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As football goes, the SEC and B1G leaving the NCAA in football and forming their own "super conference" organization would essentially destroy NCAA football.

The NCAA has stepped back with their recent reorganization from being the disciplinarian and has said they'll let conferences handle more of those issues. They're toothless because the Supreme Court basically threatened their business model of "amateur athletics" in the Alston (Google it) decision.

They ain't dead yet but they're bleeding out slowly.
 
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