NCAA strikes again

[Lexvol]

NCAA is penalizing Ravi Moss (UK basketball player that joined the Cats as a receiver this spring) with a six game suspension for a paid appearance in a basketball game followed by an autograph session.

I don't know what kind of impact Moss would have made on a woeful UK squad, but the punishment comes nowhere close to fitting the crime, especially when you consider the fact that the kid is a WALK-ON (both in football and BBall). NCAA once again rears its ugly head.

 

[hatvol96]

NCAA is penalizing Ravi Moss (UK basketball player that joined the Cats as a receiver this spring) with a six game suspension for a paid appearance in a basketball game followed by an autograph session.

I don't know what kind of impact Moss would have made on a woeful UK squad, but the punishment comes nowhere close to fitting the crime, especially when you consider the fact that the kid is a WALK-ON (both in football and BBall). NCAA once again rears its ugly head.

Of course, simply allowing him to repay the appearance fee would have been just too d**n logical for the omnipotent rulers in Indianapolis. With the possible exception of the DEA, the NCAA is the most insidious entity currently legally operating in the US.

 

[McCat]

Of course, simply allowing him to repay the appearance fee would have been just too d**n logical for the omnipotent rulers in Indianapolis. With the possible exception of the DEA, the NCAA is the most insidious entity currently legally operating in the US.

Oh, they DID make him pay back the appearance fee, AND the 6-game suspension. I don't think that Ravi would have seen much action before the 6th game, anyway, so it's probably academic. He caught a 6-yard out pattern in the Blue/White game, tiptoeing out of bounds, and the fans erupted in applause.

I hate those goose-steppers in the NCAA. Miles Brand and his cronies give them an even worse name than before.

 

[cotton]

Just a sideline here, but Ravi is from my hometown. I know him, and he is a genuinely nice kid. His brother, Austin, is on the football team, which I believe is the reason he is undergoing this experiment anyway--a little quality time with the family in an athletic endeavor. He hasn't played organized football since middle school (he attended a private school that does not have a football team.)

The NCAAs penalty does seem heavy handed, but I'm sure Ravi will be fine.

 

[Lexvol]

Just a sideline here, but Ravi is from my hometown. I know him, and he is a genuinely nice kid. His brother, Austin, is on the football team, which I believe is the reason he is undergoing this experiment anyway--a little quality time with the family in an athletic endeavor. He hasn't played organized football since middle school (he attended a private school that does not have a football team.)

The NCAAs penalty does seem heavy handed, but I'm sure Ravi will be fine.

You're from Hoptown C man?

 

[cotton]

You're from Hoptown C man?

Afraid so :biggrin2:

Ravi and I both attended University Heights for highschool, although he is quite a bit younger than me. Still, I've gotten to know him fairly well, and I think he is a very nice person. The term "walk-on" makes me chuckle a bit when applied to him, but other than that, it's all positive about Ravi.

How do you know Hoptown?

 

[lawgator1]

Isn't Hoptown on the interstate between Skip City and Andajump Beach?

 

[OldVol]

The rule is clear and it applies evenly across the board.

Why is it so difficult to understand that the rules are for the good of the game.

Not everyone agrees with them but they've been discussed and digested for years and should be followed.

We are a nation of laws and rules. The NCAA must have order. Softening these rules would lead to chaos in the ranks and more wide spread cheating.

 

[cotton]

The rule is clear and it applies evenly across the board.

Why is it so difficult to understand that the rules are for the good of the game.

Not everyone agrees with them but they've been discussed and digested for years and should be followed.

We are a nation of laws and rules. The NCAA must have order. Softening these rules would lead to chaos in the ranks and more wide spread cheating.

I think it is fine to question the fairness of a rule, or the fairness in it's application. Take, for instance, an example from the same athletic program, and compare the Randolf Morris situation to the Ravi Moss situation.

Morris declares himself eligible for the draft, cut ties with the school, and trucks it up to Chicago at the expense of agents and NBA teams to try his luck at life after college. He has some "undefined" relationship with an agent that appears to most as if he had some sort of agreement. Things don't work out for him, so he tries to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube. A mystery fax shows up that says maybe he was just testing the waters, and the NCAA reviews the case. He is penalized by being suspended for approximately 1/3 of the season, with all remaining eligibility in tact.

Moss fulfills his basketball eligibility and considers joining the football team. During this period, he travels with a school sanctioned "barnstorming" team before deciding that he will, in fact, try to play football. During this "barnstorming," he receives benefits that are deemed improper. He is penalized by being suspended for exactly half of the football season.

Both players, I presume, will be forced to repay any improper benefits. But my question is whether these two examples represent fair application of the rules against receiving improper benefits or losing amateur status. There are plenty of examples of players who have received much greater benefits than Moss did, but the penalties were not as stiff. I agree that the NCAA needs rules, but it also needs fair application of them.

 

[cotton]

Isn't Hoptown on the interstate between Skip City and Andajump Beach?

If you're coming from Nashville, it is right before you get to Skip City and about 45 miles from Andajump on I-24 :hi:

 

[Lexvol]

Afraid so :biggrin2:

Ravi and I both attended University Heights for highschool, although he is quite a bit younger than me. Still, I've gotten to know him fairly well, and I think he is a very nice person. The term "walk-on" makes me chuckle a bit when applied to him, but other than that, it's all positive about Ravi.

How do you know Hoptown?

I have business in the Ville. I always hit my contacts in Hoptown, and then take the back roads to Paducah. It is an absolutely beautiful drive. I am just not so sure about a few of those bridges though.

I give Ravi all the credit for any cohesiveness that the basketball team had over the last few years. He seems to be an amazing kid.

 

[Lexvol]

The rule is clear and it applies evenly across the board.

Why is it so difficult to understand that the rules are for the good of the game.

Not everyone agrees with them but they've been discussed and digested for years and should be followed.

We are a nation of laws and rules. The NCAA must have order. Softening these rules would lead to chaos in the ranks and more wide spread cheating.

Punishments from the NCAA are applied neither fairly nor evenly.

Let me break it down for you : rules- good, uneven enforcement ala NCAA bad, very bad.

 

[hatvol96]

The rule is clear and it applies evenly across the board.

Why is it so difficult to understand that the rules are for the good of the game.

Not everyone agrees with them but they've been discussed and digested for years and should be followed.

We are a nation of laws and rules. The NCAA must have order. Softening these rules would lead to chaos in the ranks and more wide spread cheating.

Yeah, college football will fall into total anarchy if Ravi Moss simply repaid the appearance fee. Small children and puppies would be sacrificed at halftime of all games and a swarm of locusts would descend on NCAA campuses.

 

[hatvol96]

Punishments from the NCAA are applied neither fairly nor evenly.

Let me break it down for you : rules- good, uneven enforcement ala NCAA bad, very bad.

Tark hit it right on point in the late '80s: "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, they'll probably add a couple of years to Cleveland State's probation."

 

[McCat]

Tark hit it right on point in the late '80s: "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, they'll probably add a couple of years to Cleveland State's probation."

Tark wasn't quite right. I seem to recall some pretty darn heavy penalties for both Basketball and Football in the last decade and a half.

Did they deserve to be penalized? Yep.

Ravi is a good kid who paid back every penny of the Barnstorming Tour proceeds before joining the FB squad in spring practice. He's one of those kids that it MEANS something when he puts on that jersey that says KENTUCKY. He wasn't the most talented player, but he was all heart, never dogging a play.

 

[hatvol96]

Tark wasn't quite right. I seem to recall some pretty darn heavy penalties for both Basketball and Football in the last decade and a half.

Did they deserve to be penalized? Yep.

Ravi is a good kid who paid back every penny of the Barnstorming Tour proceeds before joining the FB squad in spring practice. He's one of those kids that it MEANS something when he puts on that jersey that says KENTUCKY. He wasn't the most talented player, but he was all heart, never dogging a play.

The penalties imposed on Kentucky Basketball in the early '90s were a pittance compared to what they should have received.

 

[McCat]

The penalties imposed on Kentucky Basketball in the early '90s were a pittance compared to what they should have received.

Just curious... do you think that the death penalty was warranted?

The allegations against UK assistant Dwane Casey and the "$1000" Emory package were highly circumstantial. I bet the Shark himself sent the package. Casey would have had to been a fool to send $1000 in the mail. That it came open during delivery, I have felt, is highly suspicious.

Academic fraud was a biggie, but there was no proof that it was sanctioned by the coaching staff. Still, Sutton was a drunk and an average coach. Probation gutted the team down to 8 scholarship players during Pitino's first year- the 14-14 team that was banned from post-season play, from playing on TV, and ineligible for the SEC championship- although they tied for the regular season crown.

The football team more than paid for its sins. It seemed that they were beginning to turn it around, but it was obvious that Claude Bassett was dumb enough to get caught.

 

[hatvol96]

Just curious... do you think that the death penalty was warranted?

The allegations against UK assistant Dwane Casey and the "$1000" Emory package were highly circumstantial. I bet the Shark himself sent the package. Casey would have had to been a fool to send $1000 in the mail. That it came open during delivery, I have felt, is highly suspicious.

Academic fraud was a biggie, but there was no proof that it was sanctioned by the coaching staff. Still, Sutton was a drunk and an average coach. Probation gutted the team down to 8 scholarship players during Pitino's first year- the 14-14 team that was banned from post-season play, from playing on TV, and ineligible for the SEC championship- although they tied for the regular season crown.

The football team more than paid for its sins. It seemed that they were beginning to turn it around, but it was obvious that Claude Bassett was dumb enough to get caught.

An "average coach" who won 798 games and took 4 schools to the NCAA tournament, two of which he led to the Final Four. You, my friend, win the Ridiculous Post of the Week Award. Stick to football.

 

[NCGatorBait]

An "average coach" who won 798 games and took 4 schools to the NCAA tournament, two of which he led to the Final Four. You, my friend, win the Ridiculous Post of the Week Award. Stick to football.

3 wasn't it? Never seen someone tell a UK fan to stick to football :lol:

 

[jwells]

I'd rather have Buzz back than a drunk like Sutton. He doesn't even really "coach" any more.. once he got caught driving boozed up, he still got wins because technically he was still the coach, even though he did nothing.

His shortcomings outweigh his wins.

 

[hatvol96]

3 wasn't it? Never seen someone tell a UK fan to stick to football :lol:

He never got UK or Creighton to the Final Four. He did lead Arkansas and OK State to the National Semifinals, the Hogs once and the Pokes twice.

 

[McCat]

An "average coach" who won 798 games and took 4 schools to the NCAA tournament, two of which he led to the Final Four.

You misunderstand me.

I was referring to his performance at UK, which was actually below average for Kentucky standards:
1987 Lost Round of 64 to Ohio State 91-77
1988 Lost Sweet Sixteen to Villanova 80-74
1989 DNQ, record 13-19, first losing season since 1927.

His W/L Record at UK: 88-39 (69.3%), which constitutes the Lowest Winning percentage for any UK coach in the modern era.

So, yeah, "average" doesn't sound so ridiculous now. The majority of his wins were beating up on other schools in non-powerhouse basketball conferences. It would be interesting to see if he'd won so many if he'd coached in the ACC, Big East, or longer in the SEC.

 

[McCat]

He never got UK or Creighton to the Final Four. He did lead Arkansas and OK State to the National Semifinals, the Hogs once and the Pokes twice.

His '78 Hogs did indeed reach the final four before losing to Kentucky 64-59.

 

[hatvol96]

You misunderstand me.

I was referring to his performance at UK, which was actually below average for Kentucky standards:
1987 Lost Round of 64 to Ohio State 91-77
1988 Lost Sweet Sixteen to Villanova 80-74
1989 DNQ, record 13-19, first losing season since 1927.

His W/L Record at UK: 88-39 (69.3%), which constitutes the Lowest Winning percentage for any UK coach in the modern era.

So, yeah, "average" doesn't sound so ridiculous now. The majority of his wins were beating up on other schools in non-powerhouse basketball conferences. It would be interesting to see if he'd won so many if he'd coached in the ACC, Big East, or longer in the SEC.

Why did you leave out the 85-86 season when Sutton led UK to 30+ wins and an Elite Eight berth? Selective memory? I guess you've missed all the success of teams in the Big 8/12 in the last 15 years. You must not really follow college basketball.

 

[Lexvol]

Why did you leave out the 85-86 season when Sutton led UK to 30+ wins and an Elite Eight berth? Selective memory? I guess you've missed all the success of teams in the Big 8/12 in the last 15 years. You must not really follow college basketball.

Hat, you almost have to live in Lex to understand the feelings that these people have for Sutton. They do go a little overboard, but he was the most despised person in Kentucky for 20 years (and he still would be if it weren't for Claude Bassett and the Memphis recruiting situation). That doesn't always justify the spin, but the fans here really believe that he ran the program into the ground...making the way for St. Pitino.