NCAA trying to put an end to Standard Test Scores for entrance

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careful guys.. Easy to go from Noted, to Nited. I don't post many threads. My impression is that a Nited thread is not complimentary.. I think Alcohol must be involved or something.
 
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Not exactly related to this but I have LONG argued that academic "gate keeping" at public universities is a dumb idea. The way I see it, if someone wants to attend a public university within the state they live in and they have the money to pay the tuition, then let them come! Want to give them an entrance exam to determine if they're ready to take credited courses, then fine. If they're not ready, make them take uncredited remedial courses. But do it ON campus and not make them go to a separate JUCO campus. Also, no more arbitrary academic suspension/probation either. Why? If someone fails a class 10 times and they want to pay to take it an 11th time, let them! The only obstacle keeping someone from attending a university should be financial IMO. To hell with the pompous cork-sniffery. College is a business! If they want to make more money then they should remove the non-financial barriers.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Not exactly related to this but I have LONG argued that academic "gate keeping" at public universities is a dumb idea. The way I see it, if someone wants to attend a public university within the state they live in and they have the money to pay the tuition, then let them come! Want to give them an entrance exam to determine if they're ready to take credited courses, then fine. If they're not ready, make them take uncredited remedial courses. But do it ON campus and not make them go to a separate JUCO campus. Also, no more arbitrary academic suspension/probation either. Why? If someone fails a class 10 times and they want to pay to take it an 11th time, let them! The only obstacle keeping someone from attending a university should be financial IMO. To hell with the pompous cork-sniffery. College is a business! If they want to make more money then they should remove the non-financial barriers.
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Honestly, I like this idea. There may be a downside though. An analogy - Neyland stadium. Say 208,000 people wanted to see a game, but you only have 104,000 seats. Who gets the seats? A college campus has limited infrastructure - classrooms, cafeterias, parking etc. Perhaps virtual classes could change all this. Under this model, the remedial classes basically become a Juco within a college, and it would put a strain on the whole system (I think). Not sure I want to sit next to the trust fund kid with unlimited $$$ that is asking dumb questions and slowing the class down. There needs to be some sort of academic filter to keep professors from becoming babysitters. Maybe not as stringent as now, but I don't think you can throw it all out the window.
 
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ptcarter said:
Honestly, I like this idea. There may be a downside though. An analogy - Neyland stadium. Say 208,000 people wanted to see a game, but you only have 104,000 seats. Who gets the seats? A college campus has limited infrastructure - classrooms, cafeterias, parking etc. Perhaps virtual classes could change all this. Under this model, the remedial classes basically become a Juco within a college, and it would put a strain on the whole system (I think). Not sure I want to sit next to the trust fund kid with unlimited $$$ that is asking dumb questions and slowing the class down. There needs to be some sort of academic filter to keep professors from becoming babysitters. Maybe not as stringent as now, but I don't think you can throw it all out the window.
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That's exactly right. You expand your online infrastructure to allow more and more classes to be taken online.

Regarding your comment about sitting next to a trust fund kid that is asking dumb questions. LOL, that already goes on in college classes! If you think public universities are only populated with Rhodes Scholars then you haven't been on a college campus in a while. My sister works for USC and you wouldn't believe some of the stories she's told me about idiotic students. She said some of them can't even put together a comprehensive sentence and she's not talking about athletes on scholarship. These are just regular tuition-paying students. She said so many of them are growing up now with text, twitter, Instagram, etc that they literally do not know how to carry on a normal, verbal conversation. They will come into her office with questions that they can't even seem to articulate.
 
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This is why football needs a minor league. Let the kids who want to go to college go to college. Let the football only ones go play for money. Could have avoided all the headaches and things we're experiencing now.

But there's too much money in CFB now to allow that to happen.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
That's exactly right. You expand your online infrastructure to allow more and more classes to be taken online.

Regarding your comment about sitting next to a trust fund kid that is asking dumb questions. LOL, that already goes on in college classes! If you think public universities are only populated with Rhodes Scholars then you haven't been on a college campus in a while. My sister works for USC and you wouldn't believe some of the stories she's told me about idiotic students. She said some of them can't even put together a comprehensive sentence and she's not talking about athletes on scholarship. These are just regular tuition-paying students. She said so many of them are growing up now with text, twitter, Instagram, etc that they literally do not know how to carry on a normal, verbal conversation. They will come into her office with questions that they can't even seem to articulate.
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This was fairly foreign to me. I was in engineering. By year two, everyone left wanted to be there. I'll all for letting everyone take classes, but I'm also all for the classes being hard enough that it's not a slam dunk to pass. Easy classes cheapen the term "education" and what a degree means.

There was a meme about a guy wanting his money back because he couldn't get a job. Wording more clever than what I can remember, but you get the point.

Also, I taught as an adjunct on some "pre-engineering" (computer drafting, 3D modeling) at a local community college. I realized that as I went through school, I never really paid attention to the other students and what their work ethic was. I had blinders on just worrying about "number 1".
There was a student in my class, that came to every class, sat on the front row, and never turned in any homework, and bombed every test. I had a talk with him and he had no good answer as to why he didn't do anything. I flunked him. Was it a generational thing? I don't know, but I wondered where his tuition money was coming from. If it was his parents, little junior wasn't holding up his end of the bargain. Shook my head and went on with my life. You can lead a horse to water, ya know.
 
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UTwild82 said:
This is why football needs a minor league. Let the kids who want to go to college go to college. Let the football only ones go play for money. Could have avoided all the headaches and things we're experiencing now.

But there's too much money in CFB now to allow that to happen.
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Gave you a like for that Avatar. Hilarious and I salute you.
 
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ArdentVol said:
SAT, ACT scores have become a joke, but i I can t let go of the fact there should be a standard of some sort of a standard for college athletes.
would live to see more minor league options for football and basketball
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ArdentVol said:
SAT, ACT scores have become a joke, but i I can t let go of the fact there should be a standard of some sort of a standard for college athletes.
would live to see more minor league options for football and basketball
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Your logo...the band Big Star? Number One Record?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Your logo...the band Big Star? Number One Record?
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Without a doubt. Was fan from time I learned about them after release of No 1 Record in Rolling Stone, First saw Alex Chillton while I was in high school in Knoxville and almost sure I heard either Icewater ir Rock City (precursor groups) at a college party. Would have been a classmate of Chris Bell at Southwestern (Rhodes) had I followed my mom's wishes about where to attend college.

Band deserves a place in Rock HOF when you consider all the great music they inspired.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Fair point, Travis Henry got into Tennessee.
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