New BCS Standings 11/30

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1) Alabama
2) Oklahoma
3) Texas
4) Florida
5) USC


Oklahoma jumps Texas.

Just saw the top 10 on Fox. Can't remember 6-10.
 
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volmanbill said:
Texas certainly wouldn't do any better.
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i'm not referring to Texas being better vs an SEC team;

i'm refering to all of Stoops's teams going to BCS bowls and losing to LSU, humiliation by Southern Cal, Boise State (which should have been humiliation since Boise was up on OU 28-10 halfway through the third quarter, only for boise to choke it up to let OU back in the game before recovering), and humiliated by the Bill Stewart-coached West Virginia team (and we saw how good of a coach he was this year, right?)

Stoops teams just have this trend of coming out to BCS a bowl game unprepared and getting pounded to the wall...and I really expect it to continue
 
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TrueOrange said:
i'm not referring to Texas being better vs an SEC team;

i'm refering to all of Stoops's teams going to BCS bowls and losing to LSU, humiliation by Southern Cal, Boise State (which should have been humiliation since Boise was up on OU 28-10 halfway through the third quarter, only for boise to choke it up to let OU back in the game before recovering), and humiliated by the Bill Stewart-coached West Virginia team (and we saw how good of a coach he was this year, right?)

Stoops teams just have this trend of coming out to BCS a bowl game unprepared and getting pounded to the wall...and I really expect it to continue
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So if bama somehow beats florida you think OU would still get crushed?
 
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3L with debt said:
Wow. Texas was robbed!
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I'd agree that they got the short end of it this year, but it couldnt have happened to a more deserving bunch of whiners. Im willing to bet they seek revenge for all of this on whoever they play in a bowl game.
 
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i think OK is better, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that TX is getting screwed.

the worst thing about it is, in every other conference that has a c'ship game, their tie breaking rules would have Texas in the title game, cause it always comes back to down to head to head.
 
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It would be interesting to see Mizzou shock the world and upset Stoops. I would think that Brown and Leach would raise all kinds of hell to try to stake their claim. After t.u. rolled us in the second half the "Commercial for t.u." got overplayed by those t-shirt fans in Austin. They'd probablly be successful in getting what they want a second time around if Stoops blows it. Its doubtful though.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think OK is better, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that TX is getting screwed.

the worst thing about it is, in every other conference that has a c'ship game, their tie breaking rules would have Texas in the title game, cause it always comes back to down to head to head.
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I don't think that is the case with a 3-way tie. Pretty sure UGA got the nod over UT and UF back in 2003 because they had the highest BCS ranking.

If the tie were between Texas and OU, I would 100% agree that the 'Horns are getting screwed. However, it's not. If Texas were getting to go the championship game, would everyone not be upset about Texas Tech being screwed?
 
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kptvol said:
I don't think that is the case with a 3-way tie. Pretty sure UGA got the nod over UT and UF back in 2003 because they had the highest BCS ranking.

If the tie were between Texas and OU, I would 100% agree that the 'Horns are getting screwed. However, it's not. If Texas were getting to go the championship game, would everyone not be upset about Texas Tech being screwed?
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in the SEC, the BCS tie breaker involves only the two that are the highest ranked, and then that goes to head to head.

we were out of it to begin with that year because both UF and GA were ahead of us. GA beat FL that year, they went to ATL.

that year, we were TX Tech. and by virtue of the head to head win over FL, GA went to ATL.
 
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jakez4ut said:
in the SEC, the BCS tie breaker involves only the two that are the highest ranked, and then that goes to head to head.

we were out of it to begin with that year because both UF and GA were ahead of us. GA beat FL that year, they went to ATL.

that year, we were TX Tech. and by virtue of the head to head win over FL, GA went to ATL.
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That method doesn't really strike me as any fairer. I think in both instances, though, the right team got to represent the division.

Also, are you sure Florida was higher ranked in 2003? We were 10-2 at the end of the regular season. Florida had at least 3 losses and we beat them. Also, I'm pretty sure Florida beat UGA that year, too.
 
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jakez4ut said:
in the SEC, the BCS tie breaker involves only the two that are the highest ranked, and then that goes to head to head.

we were out of it to begin with that year because both UF and GA were ahead of us. GA beat FL that year, they went to ATL.

that year, we were TX Tech. and by virtue of the head to head win over FL, GA went to ATL.
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close, but not quite right. The SEC 3-way tiebreaker is essentially the same as the Big 12 3-way tiebreaker: highest BCS ranking goes. The added clause is this (per the SEC site www.secsports.com - SEC Divisional Tie-Breaker ):

The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game
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So the "which of the top 2 beat each other" only applies if they are within 5 spots of each other.

In 03, UT beat UF but lost to UGA and Auburn, UGA beat UT but lost to UF 13-16 (the year they beat UF was the year before that) and lost to LSU, and of course UF beat UGA but lost to UT and Ole Miss.

UGA didnt lose anymore games before the season ended, UT didnt lose again before the season ended, but UF had lost not only to Miami earlier in the year but also to FSU at the end.

So when the BCS rankings came out before the SEC championship, UGA was ranked 7 and UT was ranked 9. And thus also -since UGA had already beaten UT - that extra tiebreaker clause wasnt needed


Funny thing to note though: had they expanded the BCS to it's current extra game format that it took on to provide for the mid-major schools like utah and boise, UT would have probably gotten an at large bid in the BCS, as we were the 8th ranked team in the final BCS rankings before the bowl game...too bad the system didnt change till two years later...or if miami had moved to the ACC that year too
 
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I don't see how that SEC/ACC clause factors in though. TTU is only 5 spots back of OU and 4 of Texas. Had the clause been in effect for the Big XII, I don't understand how it's fair to exclude TTU from the conversation.
 
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Oklahoma is the best team in the Big 12 right now. I don't think Texas woud beat Oklahoma right now, and Oklahoma beating TT like they did this late in the season is the reason they jumped Texas. If Oklahoma loses to Mizzou and Florida beats Bammer, the Texas plays Florida for the NC. That should be interesting.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think OK is better, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that TX is getting screwed.

the worst thing about it is, in every other conference that has a c'ship game, their tie breaking rules would have Texas in the title game, cause it always comes back to down to head to head.
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I think Texas is the better team in all facets of the game. Oklahoma certainly has a higher octane offense but their defense has left much to be desired.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think Texas is the better team in all facets of the game. Oklahoma certainly has a higher octane offense but their defense has left much to be desired.
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While Oklahomans are much nicer to live around gettin the 2 spot, I'm gonna make a fortune on wagers when Florida/Alabama shreads that Venables defense. IMO for what it's worth, the UTK Volunteers get more than a fair share of respect out here...Most Sooner fans I run into are very positive on the program.
 
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volfanbill said:
I don't see how that SEC/ACC clause factors in though. TTU is only 5 spots back of OU and 4 of Texas. Had the clause been in effect for the Big XII, I don't understand how it's fair to exclude TTU from the conversation.
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im not exactly sure either, all i do know is that it was verified and ESPN reported it.........every other conf. that has divisions and a c'ship game, based on their tie break rules, would have Texas in the game, not OK.

i think OK is a better team. but TX won. TX should go. OK should play harder next year.
 
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