New BCS Standings 11/30

[Bassmanbruno]

im not exactly sure either, all i do know is that it was verified and ESPN reported it.........every other conf. that has divisions and a c'ship game, based on their tie break rules, would have Texas in the game, not OK.

i think OK is a better team. but TX won. TX should go. OK should play harder next year.

I just don't understand this argument at all. Pretend you didn't know what the BCS standings were and they weren't released till the end of the season. You don't know how close the three teams are in the BCS.

Why are you just throwing Tech out of the equation? You can't do that obviously with the Big 12s system and I believe the ACC's/SEC's is even worse than the Big 12s to just discredit everything the 3rd team did if they are so many spots behind. I just don't see how you can try to justify one team going by using the head to head argument in a three way tie. You're punishing Oklahoma for murdering Texas Tech. If Oklahoma had beat Tech by a FG or TD then no one would be using this argument.

 

[TrueOrange]

I don't see how that SEC/ACC clause factors in though. TTU is only 5 spots back of OU and 4 of Texas. Had the clause been in effect for the Big XII, I don't understand how it's fair to exclude TTU from the conversation.

The SEC one only looks at the top 2 teams in the tiebreaker if it's in five places, so if it was put into the Big 12, they would have just looked at OU and Texas

true orange, thanks for the clarification.......

sorry, i went kinda overkill on that. My bad. Wasn't trying to insult you or anything...just kinda ended up typing out the whole stream of thought process in my head in my curiousity

 

[jakez4ut]

I just don't understand this argument at all. Pretend you didn't know what the BCS standings were and they weren't released till the end of the season. You don't know how close the three teams are in the BCS.

Why are you just throwing Tech out of the equation? You can't do that obviously with the Big 12s system and I believe the ACC's/SEC's is even worse than the Big 12s to just discredit everything the 3rd team did if they are so many spots behind. I just don't see how you can try to justify one team going by using the head to head argument in a three way tie. You're punishing Oklahoma for murdering Texas Tech. If Oklahoma had beat Tech by a FG or TD then no one would be using this argument.

that's true, but they didn't. they got murdered. TX beat OU by Ten. OU and TX both had trouble with OSU. TT beat TX on a last second play in a GREAT game.

the beating TT took and the way they beat TX (remember the dropped INT as well...) makes it easier for me to exclude them.

again, this is subjectivity at it's finest, which is what got OK the nod in the first place....

and i just keep going back to the fact that every other conf. that has a title game, their tie break rules all have Texas as the South represenative.

there's got to be something to that.

The SEC one only looks at the top 2 teams in the tiebreaker if it's in five places, so if it was put into the Big 12, they would have just looked at OU and Texas



sorry, i went kinda overkill on that. My bad. Wasn't trying to insult you or anything...just kinda ended up typing out the whole stream of thought process in my head in my curiousity

oh, no worries, i was serious....thanks for the clarification.....

 

[Bassmanbruno]

I think the other conference tie breakers are worse by far and are more unfair - I don't care ff Tech lost all of its non-conference games and were #25 in the BCS... that shouldn't decide it imo. But, first of all - the BCS should not be involved in deciding crap like this.

I just don't think its right to eliminate one team - throw out their whole seasons accomplishments - and weigh the other team and pretend like the 3rd team didn't play the two teams left. You need a way to decide it without having to eliminate a team and then decide between the two left (that doesn't have to do with the BCS). Why put it in the hands of a bunch of random people that may have never seen your team play.

The solution? No idea - and its obviously not my job... but I think the right team is going to the game championship game.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think the other conference tie breakers are worse by far and are more unfair - I don't care ff Tech lost all of its non-conference games and were #25 in the BCS... that shouldn't decide it imo. But, first of all - the BCS should not be involved in deciding crap like this.

I just don't think its right to eliminate one team - throw out their whole seasons accomplishments - and weigh the other team and pretend like the 3rd team didn't play the two teams left. You need a way to decide it without having to eliminate a team and then decide between the two left (that doesn't have to do with the BCS). Why put it in the hands of a bunch of random people that may have never seen your team play.

The solution? No idea - and its obviously not my job... but I think the right team is going to the game championship game.

i agree, the BCS rankings shouldn't be a black and white, cut and dry determining factor as a tie breaker, as it is in the big 12.

the only reason i can say i prefer the other conf.'s tie break system better is, once it got down to OK and TX (however they arrived at that point), TX got the nod because of the head to head.

it doesn't matter what rules you ahve so long as it comes back to head to head eventually.

in this case, in the big 12, it didn't. and that's wrong.

 

[BigPapaVol]

i agree, the BCS rankings shouldn't be a black and white, cut and dry determining factor as a tie breaker, as it is in the big 12.

the only reason i can say i prefer the other conf.'s tie break system better is, once it got down to OK and TX (however they arrived at that point), TX got the nod because of the head to head.

it doesn't matter what rules you ahve so long as it comes back to head to head eventually.

in this case, in the big 12, it didn't. and that's wrong.

you can't ever narrow it to two unless you throw out the head to head.

 

[jakez4ut]

you can't ever narrow it to two unless you throw out the head to head.

i know....just going by the rules and tie breakers presented.