New clock rules

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bigalvol27 said:

Will be interesting to see how this year plays out against the projections, was hoping the tv time would drop, but doubt they will give up the income.
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I didn't think the effect was going to be all that dire, but this part is slightly surprising. I thought the effect would be more like 8-10 plays a game.

Thus far through this young season, FBS teams are running an average of 66.9 plays per game in 2023. Last year, the average was 68.7, according to an analysis of CFBStats.com data. Thus, in actuality, each team is only running about two less plays per game (4 total per game considering both teams).
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I just don't get it. Take for example FSU and LSU game was played Sunday night primetime, ABC's number 1 slot this week. The game ate into "The Good Doctor", which averages 4.1 million viewers. The FSU/LSU game had over 10 million viewers.

The Saturday 3:30 CBS, SEC game drew an average of 5.2 million viewers last year. Why would anyone in the college football world; school, player, fan, or network, feel that the best, and most viewed (at least on Saturdays) programs need to be shortened? Does CBS get more advertising revenue on Saturday afternoons showing "Entertainment Tonight"?
 
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How much did the Golden Bachelor pay the author of this article to write it?
 
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GAVol said:
I didn't think the effect was going to be all that dire, but this part is slightly surprising. I thought the effect would be more like 8-10 plays a game.
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I THINK I saw what I projected to be a FASTER spotting of the ball by the officials after a 1st down was gained. They do not have to signal and blow a whistle to stop the clock, or wind and blow the whistle to start the clock and therefore they seemed to rush back to spot the ball like all other plays. In the end I think this CAN help folks like UT running tempo. Less time for defenses to look over for calls and adjustments before the offense is free to snap the ball and rearranging our same personnel can create desired matchups and even those sneaky hidden player deals like Hyatt last year.
 
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GAVol said:
I didn't think the effect was going to be all that dire, but this part is slightly surprising. I thought the effect would be more like 8-10 plays a game.
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Keep in mind what was pointed out in the article. This last week there were a lot of cupcakes on everyone's schedule. That means there were a lot of three and outs by the opponents and a lot of quick scores by the dominant team. The numbers should go up as the competition improves, IMO.
 
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Pump Guy said:
I just don't get it. Take for example FSU and LSU game was played Sunday night primetime, ABC's number 1 slot this week. The game ate into "The Good Doctor", which averages 4.1 million viewers. The FSU/LSU game had over 10 million viewers.

The Saturday 3:30 CBS, SEC game drew an average of 5.2 million viewers last year. Why would anyone in the college football world; school, player, fan, or network, feel that the best, and most viewed (at least on Saturdays) programs need to be shortened? Does CBS get more advertising revenue on Saturday afternoons showing "Entertainment Tonight"?
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It's ALL about giving lip service to taking plays out of the game so that over the course of the season, players get about a game's worth of injury exposures taken away. Meanwhile though, the playoff is expanding so that some players will be facing a 15 game schedule instead of 12 or 13 like a few years ago.
 
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Pump Guy said:
I just don't get it. Take for example FSU and LSU game was played Sunday night primetime, ABC's number 1 slot this week. The game ate into "The Good Doctor", which averages 4.1 million viewers. The FSU/LSU game had over 10 million viewers.

The Saturday 3:30 CBS, SEC game drew an average of 5.2 million viewers last year. Why would anyone in the college football world; school, player, fan, or network, feel that the best, and most viewed (at least on Saturdays) programs need to be shortened? Does CBS get more advertising revenue on Saturday afternoons showing "Entertainment Tonight"?
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Answered your own question. All about $$$$$
Less time for the teams means more time for ads. Time slots haven’t changed.
 
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I don't even know what info is reliable at this point. Here's a tweet saying average plays in week 1 were down by 14 per game which is closer to what the impact was predicted to be going into this season.

 
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New rule sucks. Networks need to take a lesson from Indycar and Nascar broadcasts. Take 3 to 5 commercial breaks per game and do the "Side by Side" thing where they use a split screen to show the commercial with audio on one side and the game continuing on the other smaller screen on the other side with no audio. That would shorten the game broadcast times significantly while maintaining the same number of commercials and not stopping games every time you turn around for over 3 minutes a pop running any momentum a team has and the new rule would not be needed. Duh .
 
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GAVol said:
I don't even know what info is reliable at this point. Here's a tweet saying average plays in week 1 were down by 14 per game which is closer to what the impact was predicted to be going into this season.

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That sounds closer to what was predicted when the rule passed. I wish there was a reference for his data.
 
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Pump Guy said:
I just don't get it. Take for example FSU and LSU game was played Sunday night primetime, ABC's number 1 slot this week. The game ate into "The Good Doctor", which averages 4.1 million viewers. The FSU/LSU game had over 10 million viewers.

The Saturday 3:30 CBS, SEC game drew an average of 5.2 million viewers last year. Why would anyone in the college football world; school, player, fan, or network, feel that the best, and most viewed (at least on Saturdays) programs need to be shortened? Does CBS get more advertising revenue on Saturday afternoons showing "Entertainment Tonight"?
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A lot of people think the games are too long. Baseball ratings are way up in large part due to shorter games. I may be alone, but I almost never watch the first half of a game unless I just have nothing to do. Too many commercials and really all that matters is the 2nd half. I love High School football and it runs about 2.5 hours even though the quarters are only 3 minutes shorter. I would say lets get rid of commercials but then UT isn't getting $50mil from ESPN without them.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
A lot of people think the games are too long. Baseball ratings are way up in large part due to shorter games. I may be alone, but I almost never watch the first half of a game unless I just have nothing to do. Too many commercials and really all that matters is the 2nd half. I love High School football and it runs about 2.5 hours even though the quarters are only 3 minutes shorter. I would say lets get rid of commercials but then UT isn't getting $50mil from ESPN without them.
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I enjoy football and try to watch the entire game. Lots of good stuff happens in the first half. If it's the Tennessee game then I definitely watch the whole game. When Tennessee is not playing or it's a blowout then I will also split my screen and watch 4 games at once. Maybe I am an outsider but watching half the game is only half the fun.
 
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They can talk about less plays is to protect players but how do you address Travis Hunter playing 129 snaps for Colorado.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
A lot of people think the games are too long. Baseball ratings are way up in large part due to shorter games. I may be alone, but I almost never watch the first half of a game unless I just have nothing to do. Too many commercials and really all that matters is the 2nd half. I love High School football and it runs about 2.5 hours even though the quarters are only 3 minutes shorter. I would say lets get rid of commercials but then UT isn't getting $50mil from ESPN without them.
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Baseball has 162 games. A college football team only has a guarantee of 12 one hour (game time) events. That is exactly 720 Minutes of actual action. It is by far the briefest of any major sport. The very fact that the NCAA and their corporate overlords want to make this absolute blink of an eye season go by even more quickly is robbery of the fans. And like everyone is noticing, actual game real world clock time is still pushing 4 hours. We get less football and more commercials.
As the old question goes „who benefits?“. Hint; it ain’t either the players or the fans
 
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rocky top buzz said:
A lot of people think the games are too long. Baseball ratings are way up in large part due to shorter games. I may be alone, but I almost never watch the first half of a game unless I just have nothing to do. Too many commercials and really all that matters is the 2nd half. I love High School football and it runs about 2.5 hours even though the quarters are only 3 minutes shorter. I would say lets get rid of commercials but then UT isn't getting $50mil from ESPN without them.
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The problem there is either that you are bored by the wrong thing... or are blaming the wrong thing. There are MUCH better ways to make football games more enjoyable to watch than reducing the actual game play and increasing commercial time.

High school football games are shorter because there aren't 5 minutes of commercials after every change of possession or injury. Timeouts literally last a minute before the officials call the teams back onto the field.

This rule change is a fraud. It is NOT and never was about the players. If anything, it took playing opportunities away from back ups. It is not about player safety. It is NOT about making broadcasts shorter. It is about finding a way to sell more commercial time at the expense of game time.

Years ago you could buy a candy bar for about 50 cents. Today a candy bar costs about $1.50 at the same quick stop. Sugar... has not increased and has actually decreased if you consider inflation. Other ingredients have gone up of course and the largest expense as always is transportation.... which brings us to the sham. That candy bar today is much smaller than the one we once bought for 50 cents or less. Companies through marketing studies first found they could reduce the size of the candy bar for the same price and almost no one noticed... and no one stopped buying. Obviously that's more profit per unit produced... but reducing the size of a candy bar by 25-40% had a HUGE impact on transportation costs. Then the price went up anyway.

College football is doing the same thing. They think they've figured out how to give us less product at a higher cost (commercial time that they monetize).

Fans should be outraged. Players should be threatening a strike. Instead... we'll just overpay for our candy.
 
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Let's try a few more stats ....
Tn vs Ball State 2022 51 rush attempts and 35 passing attempts - 86 total plays - not counting kicking game.
Ball States contribution: 27 rushing attempts and 43 passing attempts - 70 total plays
Tn vs Virginia 2023 52 rush attempts and 33 passing attempts - 85 total plays - not counting kicking game
Virginia contribution: 40 rushing attempts and 24 passing attempts - 64 total plays

Total combined plays in first game in '22 - 156 excluding kicking plays
Total combined plays in first game in '23 - 149 excluding kicking play

Observations:
It does appear to be eliminating some small amount of plays, but we played against a relatively faster paced offense in our first game this year.
It is not affecting faster paced offenses as much, provided you can get the other team off the field quickly or not at all! TCU and Colorado - Total number of plays 160! They only ran 4 more plays than in our game and that game was a shootout.
Sample size is too small.
My initial impression is that some teams have adjusted and speed up their offenses every so slightly in response to the clock rule - at least initially. This cannot and will not last. Teams will start to play with strategy and go slow to make the game shorter when it favors them against a stronger opponent.
On average, it is not going to be ONLY 2 (4) plays per game. It looks like it is going to be (8 to 16) depending on the strategy employed by teams.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't even know what info is reliable at this point. Here's a tweet saying average plays in week 1 were down by 14 per game which is closer to what the impact was predicted to be going into this season.

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So if they would round correctly the numbers would be:
2022: 5.46 plays per drive
2023: 5.39 plays per drive

That is equivalent to 1.68 more plays per game in 2022.
 
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