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jim285pro

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How is everyone gonna feel when our staff is nothing but Cincinnati guys. Best staff in america? I will at least say Dooley won the press conference too but he assembled a respectable staff. Im trying to find something positive to have hope he will turn it around. At this point all I got is he has a buzz cut like general neyland did. What say you?
 
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And what did that respectable staff fleet him? People need to hit thinking sec football somehow requires extra special super football knowledge that only people with sec experience are privy to. His staff will win bc they work well together. Same reason why urban Meyer took his staff from Utah etc.
 
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VolsDeep said:
And what did that respectable staff fleet him? People need to hit thinking sec football somehow requires extra special super football knowledge that only people with sec experience are privy to. His staff will win bc they work well together. Same reason why urban Meyer took his staff from Utah etc.
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well said.
 
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I bet people were really pissed when Urban Meyer brought over Dan Mullen, Billy Gonzalez, John Hevezy, and Chuck Heater. I bet ND fans are really pissed about getting Diacco from Cincy as their DC right about now among others.
 
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jim285pro said:
How is everyone gonna feel when our staff is nothing but Cincinnati guys. Best staff in america? I will at least say Dooley won the press conference too but he assembled a respectable staff. Im trying to find something positive to have hope he will turn it around. At this point all I got is he has a buzz cut like general neyland did. What say you?
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And a respectable staff?

First year,

He kept Chaney, who had never called plays before.
He hired Chuck Smith-failure
He hired Justin Wilcox- DC at Boise St.
Heistand-fail
Kept Thompson
Brought over Joseph
Brought in Darin Hinshaw- worked at Memphis and other low schools

Then when given the chance to start all over again when everyone left.

Sal Sunseri- Last was a DC at like Ga. St in the 80s or something like that. Awful hire.
Graham- great hire
Pittman-great hire
Conklin- Citadel.... enough said
Coiner- he was making apps for phones... enough said
Ansley- Never a DB coach before was a GA at Alabama
Palermo- was working at MTSU


Where is this great staff you speak of? All I see is a staff that won a combined 17 games in 3 years.
 
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jim285pro said:
How is everyone gonna feel when our staff is nothing but Cincinnati guys. Best staff in america? I will at least say Dooley won the press conference too but he assembled a respectable staff. Im trying to find something positive to have hope he will turn it around. At this point all I got is he has a buzz cut like general neyland did. What say you?
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Okay, if Jones brings in a new style of offense or defense to U.T. than what Dooley had, would it not be best to have coaches who are familiar with that system?
This will make the transition much easier for the assistant coaches and the players.

For instance, what if Chavis tried to coach the 3-4, which is a system that he not very familiar with?

Do you recall that Clawson had a horrible time with trying to get everyone to understand his system in 2008?
 
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A friend of mine keeps telling me you need to give this guy a chance, and I am but its going to be on a 3 strike system if this is truly the best staff in america and the hires that he is going to make then this is strike one he has two more. I am on the jones train till strike 3 which will probably come time next season maybe before then.
 
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rocovol said:
A friend of mine keeps telling me you need to give this guy a chance, and I am but its going to be on a 3 strike system if this is truly the best staff in america and the hires that he is going to make then this is strike one he has two more. I am on the jones train till strike 3 which will probably come time next season maybe before then.
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I was depressed when he was named the new HC. But seeing that we are stuck with him, I tried to look at the positives. His declaring that they would hire the best staff in the country gave me a bit of hope that he could make up some ground in recruiting. Now it appears his idea of hiring best staff in the country meant he's just bringing his staff with him...seeing that they are now out of work, because he left. He feels the need to look out for them, even though it's not in the best interests of the University of Tennessee (maybe they were a great fit for UC....but not for UT).
 
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A good manager surrounds himself/herself with good people.
A good leader makes those around them better.

If he has surrounded himself with good people, I would welcome them.
If he has already made those around him better, I would welcome them.

I'm sure that there will be staff changes. You simply cannot demand improvement without expecting changes. Anyone that expects a different result has not yet learned about the reality of the working world.
 
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Everybody is so worried about coaches , recruiting, etc. We have entirely too many coaches and athletic directors on this site . Wins do the recruiting and let the man who makes the 3 mill per year worry about who he hires as coaches. After all, he has three mill per year riding on HIS SELECTION OF WHO HE WANTS as assistant coaches, not those of us who are on Vol Nation. His livelyhood is at stake , not ours. Also, the best coaching staff in America is in the eyes of the beholder........to translate, his is the only opinion that really matters, bottom line.
 
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Honestly, I'd rather have a cohesive coaching staff, with a few UT plug-ins, than a hodge-podge of guys who haven't worked together.
 
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I'm ok with him bringing in most of his guys, they know each other and their system. The big question is can they can recruit? No matter how good your gameplan is in the SEC, you cannot win without big time atheletes. Under Dooley, I lied to myself and thought he was bringing in guys to "fit his system", but the truth is he was struggling to recruit. Butch will live and die with who he is able to recruit.
 
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Neylandsmaxims said:
Honestly, I'd rather have a cohesive coaching staff, with a few UT plug-ins, than a hodge-podge of guys who haven't worked together.
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!Many that state their opinion on the site have no clue as to the ins and out of putting together a good staff. A coach that becomes great surrounds himself with people who he can trust, like and have the same type of philosophy. So for you buffoons who think he should not bring any of his old staff with him, get a clue. He just didn't land the TN job because of work done all by himself.

Why is that so hard to understand?
 
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If I was just hired to coach the Dallas Cowboys I sure would not run to Vol Nation to get opinions on who to hire as my assistant coaches. The decision would be totally mine. Butch Jones is not obligated to ANYONE to tell him who to hire. This includes Hart. He is obligated to US to win ballgames or he loses his job.
 
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Nobody on here knows squat about building a football TEAM much less building a coaching staff which is also a TEAM.

TEAM =

T.ogether
E.veryone
A.chieves
M.ore

A hodge podge of coaches thrown together and NOT given time to really understand each other and get a solid plan together and be on the same page on every play equals a DISASTER and that's exactly what we saw happen this last season with our new 3-4 Defense.

It's MUCH better to have a well organised TEAM of coaches that really KNOW what the Head Coach wants and that KNOWS exactly what each position coach will be doing on EVERY play than to have a group that's still trying to learn what the other coaches will do in specific situations.

BJ is our new HC for several years and he KNOWS what he wants and how he plans to get things done and it's the HC decisions to build HIS coaching TEAM the way he wants them.

Everyone here needs to shutup and UNITE and get behind our new footVol coach and whoever he hires as his assistants and STOP all the negative ignorance on here that DOES hurt our recruiting efforts.

There's exactly NOBODY here that knows if CBJ will rebuild us back into a SEC East Champion in the next 3 years or not so be a REAL Tennessee fan and UNITE and support our new coaches and players.

NOBODY on here has any say about anything so be a FAN and support our footVol team.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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CBJ has never coached any where Like UT either. At UT recruiting is the Life Blood. You must have Coaches That Recruit with and against the Best in the NCAA .I like Coach Jones, I am very Worried about His Staff and would Hate to think we spent 3 million on Cincy Coaches . I understand They have won..But they wasn't playing South Carolina,Bama,Georgia,Florida. His Staff needs to be upgraded Over What he had at Cincy. Yeah I'm Ok with A couple Guys 3 tops from Cincy and only for the sake of understanding Jones system. We can Not afford to have 1 bad recruiter on this Staff!
 
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rocovol said:
A friend of mine keeps telling me you need to give this guy a chance, and I am but its going to be on a 3 strike system if this is truly the best staff in america and the hires that he is going to make then this is strike one he has two more. I am on the jones train till strike 3 which will probably come time next season maybe before then.
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You should listen to your friend more. Your system is set up for failure and let down. I would say the first pitch wont be till the entire staff is named and we get some feedback on how recruiting is going. You cant have a strike without a pitch. The pitcher is just warming up roco and you are behind the plate calling strikes.............
listen to your friend.....
 
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Jones simply should have not said he was going to hire the best staff in the country. He should have said he was going to bring in coaches he is familiar with are also great teachers. He could have said he was going to bring in a couple of TN guys and some guys who can recruit.
 
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Redbone said:
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!Many that state their opinion on the site have no clue as to the ins and out of putting together a good staff. A coach that becomes great surrounds himself with people who he can trust, like and have the same type of philosophy. So for you buffoons who think he should not bring any of his old staff with him, get a clue. He just didn't land the TN job because of work done all by himself.

Why is that so hard to understand?
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Couldn't agree more. People who don't understand why he brought his OC from Cincy don't understand what putting a coaching staff, around a central philosophy, is all about.

I applaud him for being so proud of his staff. Do I think he was over-reaching a bit (maybe even a LOT), yes. But he believes in his staff, and from all I've seen and heard, so do his players.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
CBJ has never coached any where Like UT either. At UT recruiting is the Life Blood. You must have Coaches That Recruit with and against the Best in the NCAA .I like Coach Jones, I am very Worried about His Staff and would Hate to think we spent 3 million on Cincy Coaches . I understand They have won..But they wasn't playing South Carolina,Bama,Georgia,Florida. His Staff needs to be upgraded Over What he had at Cincy. Yeah I'm Ok with A couple Guys 3 tops from Cincy and only for the sake of understanding Jones system. We can Not afford to have 1 bad recruiter on this Staff!
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You must understand that he won at Cincy with two and three star players. He will upgrade those players at Tennessee. Do not get all stressed out about what BJ can do. Let him worry about that, it is why he makes 3 mill per year. Everything is going to be ok, take another valium and you will be fine. The sky is not falling, we are going to be able to recruit better players than Cincy had. Also, BJ beat Virginia Tech, Pitt, U Conn , Louisville with his two and three star players. We couldnt beat Vir . Tech with 4 star players.
 
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Neylandsmaxims said:
Honestly, I'd rather have a cohesive coaching staff, with a few UT plug-ins, than a hodge-podge of guys who haven't worked together.
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And that might be fine, but if that is your plan. do not tell us that we are getting the best staff in the country. To most this would be another letdown on the heels of many others.
 
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Who is the Judge of what is the best staff in the country? You, I, some mythical reasonably prudent person? Butch Jones absolutely believes HE is putting together the best staff in the country. If we try and see it through his eyes, it makes sense.
Why would he want anything less than the best staff to help him? Its simple, he wouldnt. So dont get caught up in the "name game" and how there are so many "big name" assistants he could hire. That would not be the best staff in the country. The best staff, in his eyes, is the one he is putting together. He will be the one held to account for their performance, not you, I or the other soothsayers on this board.
 
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I don't care if he hires the 7 dwarfs as long as they coach and recruit well; translates to wins........... Everyone just needs to wait and see........ Its like everyone on here is 9 years old and wants instant gratification..... Let the guy actually hire people and set his staff before jumping off the cliff. People on the outside are loving this hire; 10,000 foot view is very nice.. IMO
 
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