New SEC Divisions

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rjd970 said:
We should drop them and sack up in the conference title game to play them.
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Except that UT wouldn't have made it to the title game over the past 13 years even without the TSIO. Until the Vols "sack up" and beat their East opponents dropping Bama is irrelevant.
 
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I guess tradition has become a dirty word. Why the change? I’m all for a good change but, change just for change? I like the annual rotations and skipping folks every year or so. Every SEC team should have to play the best of the SEC and not get a 2-3 year pass. Bama is a rival. Want change? Beat Bama! GBO!
 
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bamawriter said:
Except that UT wouldn't have made it to the title game over the past 13 years even without the TSIO. Until the Vols "sack up" and beat their East opponents dropping Bama is irrelevant.
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So?

It's still another loss and a roadblock that is unique to UT in the east, no? It's about to be 20 losses in a row. This isn't a rivalry anymore. I'm sorry, but F Bama and all their inbred fans...they are the only ones that get any joy out of this game and they have been the only team from the west that has annually benefitted from the absolute worst run of football in program history for the last 15 or so years. Whether it be Kiffin coaching at Bama or Jones smoking cigars in the visitors locker room - this is stupid to keep going because we enjoy the masochism or whatever. Beating our chests about beating the best on their best day is absolute stupidity.

If we can remove this annual game with a coming restructure UT should be 100% on board. This isn't whining either, it's being objective and looking at the reality of things.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
While the nostalgic part of me would love to see the annual Tennessee-Auburn series return, overall this would blow for Tennessee imo. I'd rather switch places with Georgia.

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Well, this pod deal isn't coming for no reason. The logical thing to do is move Alabama and Auburn to the East. The SEC wouldn't want a world where FL, Alabama, Georgia, etc. have to beat each other up every season though. The pod can split that up a bit. I think that's why you see this. Also explains how A&M isn't in the same one as TX and OKLA somehow.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
In 2016, we did that, but attrition from the Bama game was a big reason we lost to USCjr and Vandy.
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You'll have to remind me, who besides Kamara didn't play the USCe game? And I really can't think of anyone that got knocked out against Bama and didn't play Vandy.
 
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rjd970 said:
So?

It's still another loss and a roadblock that is unique to UT in the east, no? It's about to be 20 losses in a row. This isn't a rivalry anymore. I'm sorry, but F Bama and all their inbred fans...they are the only ones that get any joy out of this game and they have been the only team from the west that has annually benefitted from the absolute worst run of football in program history for the last 15 or so years. Whether it be Kiffin coaching at Bama or Jones smoking cigars in the visitors locker room - this is stupid to keep going because we enjoy the masochism or whatever. Beating our chests about beating the best on their best day is absolute stupidity.

If we can remove this annual game with a coming restructure UT should be 100% on board. This isn't whining either, it's being objective and looking at the reality of things.
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You may have a point about UT being stuck with the toughest West draw. Drawing other West teams more often would make life easier for Tennessee. And this is obvious by looking at the last decade, during which Tennessee amassed an impressive 2-11 record against all the West programs not named Alabama.
 
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b_gann said:
Well, this pod deal isn't coming for no reason. The logical thing to do is move Alabama and Auburn to the East. The SEC wouldn't want a world where FL, Alabama, Georgia, etc. have to beat each other up every season though. The pod can split that up a bit. I think that's why you see this. Also explains how A&M isn't in the same one as TX and OKLA somehow.
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I'm on board with this. I would rather drop Bama altogether, but the second best option is to make UGA and FLA play them every year too.

But I think you are right, the conference would never allow it.
 
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bamawriter said:
You may have a point about UT being stuck with the toughest West draw. Drawing other West teams more often would make life easier for Tennessee. And this is obvious by looking at the last decade, during which Tennessee amassed an impressive 2-11 record against all the West programs not named Alabama.
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Bama is also benefitting - given the last 15 years or so has been a historic and unprecedented down time for UT. This is literally the worst run in UT history.

And your childish and trollish sarcasm about an impressive 2-11 record is noted.
 
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#336
This isn't hard. Bama and Barn come East. Mizzou, Texas, and OU in west. No more permanent cross over games. Play 9 conference games. Rotate 2 cross division teams yearly so you play all 8 in a 4 year period. Division Champs meet in Atlanta per usual.

The pod system is stupid.
 
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b_gann said:
Well, this pod deal isn't coming for no reason. The logical thing to do is move Alabama and Auburn to the East. The SEC wouldn't want a world where FL, Alabama, Georgia, etc. have to beat each other up every season though. The pod can split that up a bit. I think that's why you see this. Also explains how A&M isn't in the same one as TX and OKLA somehow.
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I think this is a trial balloon, to gage reaction.
 
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bamawriter said:
You'll have to remind me, who besides Kamara didn't play the USCe game? And I really can't think of anyone that got knocked out against Bama and didn't play Vandy.
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Khalil McKenzie. He tore his pec. He wasn’t that good but he could stuff the run and we got gashed on the ground vs USCjr and Vandy in particular. Then Kamara. I think Danny O’Brien, too. But the A&M game before was definitely worse, in retrospect for injuries. We actually got royally screwed with injuries that year in general and without them we probably go 11-1.

Cam Sutton, Darren Kirkland, Malik Foreman, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Dylan Wiesman, Cortez McDowell and Quart’e Sapp all went out for all or a couple key games that year. Linebacking corps got decimated.
 
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#340
The pod system is a terrible idea. Just move the Gumps and AU to the east, eliminate permanent cross division rivalry games and play a 9 game SEC schedule.
 
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hog88 said:
The pod system is a terrible idea. Just move the Gumps and AU to the east, eliminate permanent cross division rivalry games and play a 9 game SEC schedule.
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It'd be better to just eliminate divisions all together. What's the point?
 
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I have to admit, I kinda like that pod (UT, Bama, AU, Vandy).

I'm sick of UF and would love a break from that annual curse for a while until we get back up to full strength.

And yes, I know that setup is tough on us, because there are 3 power teams in one pod instead of just 2 like in the others (yes, I consider UT a "power" and always will). And one of those 3 is on an unprecedented run. But without the annual UF nightmare, I think we stand a better chance of leveling up to finally beating Bama. Also, our pod would be loaded with old-time SEC flavor and is the best pod for real traditional rivalries.
 
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bamawriter said:
Play nine games. Give everyone three permanent rivals. Rotate the other twelve. Everyone plays a home-and-home with every other team within a four year cycle.
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That leaves open the probability of 3 and 4 way ties for the SECCG.
 
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hog88 said:
That leaves open the probability of 3 and 4 way ties for the SECCG.
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It's extremely unlikely. But even then there are tiebreakers that can be built in.

I'm just sick of how long it takes to play the other conference members. Even adding a game barely shortens the rotation if we're also adding two schools.
 
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#348
Go to 9 conference games.
Alabama
Auburn
Texas
LSU
Florida
Georgia
OK
A&M
Every year.

Vanderbilt
SC
Ky
Arkansas
Mo
Rotate
 
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#349
bamawriter said:
Play nine games. Give everyone three permanent rivals. Rotate the other twelve. Everyone plays a home-and-home with every other team within a four year cycle.
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Add a requirement to schedule a home and home against a P5 opponent. The year you have 5 conference home games would be the year you're away against another P5; the year you have 4 conference home games you're hosting the P5. Then everyone's got 7 home games and 5 road games every year, and it removes a bit of the scheduling disparity of having an odd number of conference games.
 
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ArmchairQB said:
Add a requirement to schedule a home and home against a P5 opponent. The year you have 5 conference home games would be the year you're away against another P5; the year you have 4 conference home games you're hosting the P5. Then everyone's got 7 home games and 5 road games every year, and it removes a bit of the scheduling disparity of having an odd number of conference games.
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I definitely want to keep the P5 OOC requirement. But I don't know if I'd require a home-and-home because I like the neutral site games.
 
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