New Staff Vs Old

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Fijivol72 said:
are one of the best if not the best recruiters in the country. It sure as hell beats the alternative. You may not want to hear it but they get "recruiting" unlike some other coaches I know. It is about numbers, every DT in the country that can play should have an offer from TN right now and we should be recruiting them 24/7, maybe we are you never know with the turtle, but silence in this day and age is not golden. Maybe that wunderkind Terry Joseph should wake up and realize he is in the bigtime with a war at hand. Oh I forgot Bearden may have some players we should offer before la. tech does.
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Lane? Is that you? :wavey:

You keep bashing OUR coach and pounding your chest over everything the Cali Kid did in his very short tenure here. Sounds like another "calculated effort" of some sort.

And as far as recruiting goes, CPF recruited some of the class Kiff took credit for just like Dooley got some kids he recruited. Dooley also got some kids that would have never gave the old staff a second look.
 
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rexvol said:
tell that to Paul Hackett
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It's amazing how people seem to forget what USC was like before Pete Carroll. As a kid in the 90s I never knew USC was/could be such a powerhouse. People must also forget how talented UF was with Zook not long ago.
 
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buckeyevol23 said:
It's amazing how people seem to forget what USC was like before Pete Carroll. As a kid in the 90s I never knew USC was/could be such a powerhouse. People must also forget how talented UF was with Zook not long ago.
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I was like that when I was younger in the 90's, I'm not old I'm only 20 but when people used to talk about USC being a powerhouse I always thought "what happened to them"
 
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#10_Ainge_#10 said:
I was like that when I was younger in the 90's, I'm not old I'm only 20 but when people used to talk about USC being a powerhouse I always thought "what happened to them"
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I grew up in the south too and hardly heard much about them considering their tradition, compared to a Notre Dame who's a big story whether they win or lose. Though I wonder despite UT's more passionate fan base, if west coast kids feel the same way now about UT as I did about USC in the 90s, especially with so many other SEC schools have more success in the last decade. They probably think UF has more tradition.
 
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sjt18 said:
Can you share that list? You know, the one that says how many recruits Dooley has offered and where they're from?
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Why would you want a list of who Tennessee Coach DD is recruiting? This is the Tennessee Vols recruiting forum where we discuss USC recruits.
 
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OrangeDew said:
Why would you want a list of who Tennessee Coach DD is recruiting? This is the Tennessee Vols recruiting forum where we discuss USC recruits.
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You forgot discussing how CDD cannot recruit and Kiff is King Of All Recruiters!!! :p
 
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There is no comparison right now. Kiffin was a strong recruiter BUT he never proved to be this elite recruiter that some on here have deemed him. Kiffin closed out strong in 2009, Dooley closed out pretty strong in 2010 with an even shorter time table and more negativity surrounding the program. I'd have to call that a wash at this point. Kiffin had one commitment at this time last year IRCC. Some of that great 2009 class loses it's luster if you consider the problems some of those highly rated players ran into and the crap they dragged the program through. It quite simply hasn't been long enough to evaluate the new staff versus the old one.

I'm going to give this staff at least a year before I form an opinion one way or another.
 
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#10_Ainge_#10 said:
I did mention Cal as being mediocre but potential to be a upper tier team....I think Stanford just caught lightning in a bottle with Gerhart(sp?) but Harbough is a good coach and has them going in the right direction but I'll be curious to see what he does this year
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Luck would start for a few teams in the SEC this year
 
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Fijivol72 said:
are one of the best if not the best recruiters in the country. It sure as hell beats the alternative. You may not want to hear it but they get "recruiting" unlike some other coaches I know. It is about numbers, every DT in the country that can play should have an offer from TN right now and we should be recruiting them 24/7, maybe we are you never know with the turtle, but silence in this day and age is not golden. Maybe that wunderkind Terry Joseph should wake up and realize he is in the bigtime with a war at hand. Oh I forgot Bearden may have some players we should offer before la. tech does.
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Post substance = Major fail. Your comparison of recruiting to being at war = horrible fail.
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Orangekush423 said:
Will he beat Saban and or Corch Meyer in the BCS champ game is the question?
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You may not like it, but Kiffin is an excellent recruiter and assembled an excellent staff to coach them up. It’s a lot more laughable to think about Dooley ever getting to the National Championship than Kiffin.
 
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Kiffin was a GREAT recruiter. I loved him when he was here because he was differently getting the best talent to consider Tenn. He will also win at USC (not even a question) even thought i hope he falls flat on his face. Also i think DaddyChad is right in saying that CDD has not had enough time for us to draw a "final" comparison, but so far the buzz with the elite players is not in UTs favor like i believe it would have been with kiffin.
 
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buckeyevol23 said:
I grew up in the south too and hardly heard much about them considering their tradition, compared to a Notre Dame who's a big story whether they win or lose. Though I wonder despite UT's more passionate fan base, if west coast kids feel the same way now about UT as I did about USC in the 90s, especially with so many other SEC schools have more success in the last decade. They probably think UF has more tradition.
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Agreed. I can't wait until we get back to where we were. If you're winning it all comes easier. You can sell kids on where you're at and the idea of playing for championships. Not the idea of resurrecting a program. We're still a top tier team we've just fallen behind the 8 ball. Give Dooley time, he knows how to recruit and must be a pretty good coach otherwise Saban wouldn't have held on to him so long. JMO
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rexvol said:
Luck would start for a few teams in the SEC this year
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No doubt about that. Tennessee probably being one of them. Harbough is a good coach I just think with USC and Cal being what they are and Stanford not being in their league as far as tradition and what not it will be hard to out recruit them. Stanford certainly hasn't had a problem handing it to USC under Harbough though
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#42
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VolinDawgland said:
Well before Carrol showed up USC was pretty mediocre for years even with all their tradition, resources and in state players to choose from.
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I agree, Until Carrol got there they had not really been successful since the 80's with a couple of decent years inbetween...Nothing to write home about for sure....Lots of losses in those years.
 
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The difference in recruiting philosophy from the old staff to the new seems obvious to me. All Kiffin and staff care about is how well they play ball, character and smarts are not an issue. I have a feeling that Dooley's recruiting evaluations may include the examination of some intangibles as well as ball playing abilities.

I am ok with that.
 
#44
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chavisut said:
Still don't understand why people that were on his nuts in his short time here are hating on him so bad now.
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Because most UT fans are emotional sack riders. Why else could or would they hate on him? I am a Fulmerite but even I know that CPF would not have performed as well against the Florida Bama UGA triangle. Kiffin's offensive plan and his recruiting will keep him on top (or probation) so get ready to hate some more.
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