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[volmanjr]

well you know all the canes are "warriors" or should I say street thugs

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by volmanjr@Jan 12, 2005 12:28 PM
well you know all the canes are "warriors" or should I say street thugs

And the big difference is; their fans defend the felons.

Whereas, when we have a Washington come along, our fans demand his head.

That to me is the big difference.

 

[shodges119]

Originally posted by OldVol+Jan 12, 2005 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OldVol &#064; Jan 12, 2005 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by JohnsonCityVol@Jan 12, 2005 12:31 AM
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@Jan 11, 2005 4:26 PM
Also, name one big-time Cane in the NFL who isn&#39;t either a misdemeanant, or felon.

Vinny Testaverde

OK, so he doesn&#39;t have a record. But he gets dinged in my book for that flagrant and disrespectful display he took part in at the New Orleans Airport prior to the 86 Sugar Bowl, where all of them deplaned wearing battle fatigues.

You know, the game where we handed their heads to them in a duffle bag,

Vols 35 Canes 7 [/quote]
Wait a second, flashback&#33;&#33;&#33; Alcohol induced memory. Wasn&#39;t it Penn State that decimated the Fatigue wearing canes in the Fiesta Bowl for the National Championship??? Ahhh yes that was the next year... 1987 and they hadn&#39;t learned their lesson&#33;&#33;

They also wore the fatigues In the Fiesta Bowl:
1986 National Championship
Penn State beats Miami&#33;
The Fiesta Bowl, January 2, 1987

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Miami and Penn State each finished the regular season at 11–0 and met in the Fiesta Bowl for the national championship. It was the first No.1 vs No.2 clash between two independents since the last Army-Notre Dame showdown in 1946. With neither team obligated to a particular bowl, bidding for the game among the lesser bowl committees was frenzied. The Fiesta Bowl (and NBC Sports) won by agreeing to double its payment to both teams (to &#036;2.4 million each) and moving the game from New Year&#39;s Day afternoon to prime time on Jan.2. On paper, No.1 Miami was the clear favorite. The Hurricanes had beaten defending national champ Oklahoma for the second time in two years and had Heisman-winner Vinny Testaverde at quarterback. In the hype that preceded the game, No.2 Penn State came off as being more bland than their uniforms. No matter, the Lions&#39; defense intercepted five Testaverde passes, held the Canes&#39; 38-points-per-game offense to a touchdown and a field goal, and won 14–10. [source]

 

[shodges119]

Heres a cool write up about the fatigues and Penn State


And on that night, the Miami team that took the field was a classically Orwellian team. That bunch of Hurricanes—coached by Jimmy Johnson, quarterbacked by Vinny Testaverde, epitomized by Michael Irvin, and swayed by ego—was a team Mr. Orwell easily could have written about.

You see, when the Hurricanes got off their plane on Dec. 26, 1986, entering The Valley of the Sun for their big game, the supposed student-athletes from Coral Gables wore combat fatigues. You couldn’t have put such a sight in a Hollywood football movie if you tried. It was beyond Burt Reynolds’ wildest dreams, beyond Adam Sandler’s imagination. It was a classic case of war meaning peace—that’s how that 1986 Miami team looked at football and all of life.

This outlook and personality only became reaffirmed and entrenched in the public mind when, at a Fiesta Bowl luncheon later on in the week, the Hurricanes brought the army outfits again and conducted a high-voltage food fight before the stunned and mild-mannered Penn State boys. If Miami couldn’t create a war, the team from South Florida would not be at peace. George Orwell would have loved the ’86 Canes.

But then, once it came time to play the game, those mild-mannered and properly raised Midwestern men acquired the intensity of the Lions they in fact were. The Nittany Lions knitted together 60 minutes of not very flashy but supremely sound and heroic football, playing the most gallant big-game defense ever seen in the 1980s.

 

[shodges119]

:banghead:

Now here is where I get food thrown at me. Shut up about the Cane&#39;s Felons&#33;&#33;&#33; Please as a Vol fan the last thing i need is a bunch of Cane fans actually doing research. This would however assume reading ability.

Leonard Little 2 DUI 1 Manslaughter
Dwayne Goodrich 1 DUI 2 Manslaughters
Jamal Lewis 1 Drug Charge for Cocaine and 1 intent to Sell
Carl Pickens Umpteen Drug Suspensions

Should I continue??

Yes I know as a Vol fan I shouldn&#39;t have given them ammunition but JEEZ folks. NO SCHOOL IN THE NCAA RECRUITS BASED ON MORALS&#33;&#33;&#33; We can do this for every school with players in the NFL. The Hurricanes are an extremely solid Football team who recruits as well as Tennessee. The records don&#39;t lie. But in all honest both schools have had teams that should have deplanned in Orange Prison Outfits instead of Fatigues.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by shodges119@Jan 12, 2005 1:13 PM
:banghead:

Now here is where I get food thrown at me. Shut up about the Cane&#39;s Felons&#33;&#33;&#33; Please as a Vol fan the last thing i need is a bunch of Cane fans actually doing research. This would however assume reading ability.

Leonard Little 2 DUI 1 Manslaughter
Dwayne Goodrich 1 DUI 2 Manslaughters
Jamal Lewis 1 Drug Charge for Cocaine and 1 intent to Sell
Carl Pickens Umpteen Drug Suspensions

Should I continue??

Yes I know as a Vol fan I shouldn&#39;t have given them ammunition but JEEZ folks. NO SCHOOL IN THE NCAA RECRUITS BASED ON MORALS&#33;&#33;&#33; We can do this for every school with players in the NFL. The Hurricanes are an extremely solid Football team who recruits as well as Tennessee. The records don&#39;t lie. But in all honest both schools have had teams that should have deplanned in Orange Prison Outfits instead of Fatigues.

How many of those offenses happened while they were at UT, and if the answer is none, how does that reflect poorly on the university?

Many folks make bad choices, it&#39;s what you do with kids WHILE they&#39;re in your program that should define your program, not what happens after they leave.

I just don&#39;t see the connection to our program when an ex player makes a lousy decision unless that player was a problem for the program.

I think this fitly describes a lot of the Canes players.

 

[shodges119]

Actually Leonard Little and Dwayne Goodrich had alcohol problems at Tennessee that were documented and resulted in 1 or 2 game benchings. And the charges against Jamal stemmed from activity before he even arrived at Tennessee. Personally I love my Vol&#39;s but some of them at all schools are just idiots.

 

[shodges119]

Originally posted by OldVol+Jan 12, 2005 1:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OldVol @ Jan 12, 2005 1:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-shodges119@Jan 12, 2005 1:13 PM
:banghead:

Now here is where I get food thrown at me.  Shut up about the Cane&#39;s Felons&#33;&#33;&#33; Please as a Vol fan the last thing i need is a bunch of Cane fans actually doing research.  This would however assume reading ability.

Leonard Little 2 DUI 1 Manslaughter
Dwayne Goodrich 1 DUI 2 Manslaughters
Jamal Lewis  1 Drug Charge for Cocaine and 1 intent to Sell
Carl Pickens Umpteen Drug Suspensions

Should I continue??

Yes I know as a Vol fan I shouldn&#39;t have given them ammunition but JEEZ folks.  NO SCHOOL IN THE NCAA RECRUITS BASED ON MORALS&#33;&#33;&#33;  We can do this for every school with players in the NFL.  The Hurricanes are an extremely solid Football team who recruits as well as Tennessee.  The records don&#39;t lie.  But in all honest both schools have had teams that should have deplanned in Orange Prison Outfits instead of Fatigues.

How many of those offenses happened while they were at UT, and if the answer is none, how does that reflect poorly on the university?

Many folks make bad choices, it&#39;s what you do with kids WHILE they&#39;re in your program that should define your program, not what happens after they leave.

I just don&#39;t see the connection to our program when an ex player makes a lousy decision unless that player was a problem for the program.

I think this fitly describes a lot of the Canes players. [/quote]
Ok name the offenses they committed at Miami and the Player. Remember this started out talking about Miami&#39;s players in NFL.

Sean Taylor DUI was dropped was fined for refusing Breatilizer
Ray Lewis For not turning in a friend he was charge with Obstructing.
Hmmm who else

Michael Irving Drug Suspension like Pickens in NFL.

Maybe I dont get the Miami Blotter report... But seems about the same to me.

Oh and even Peyton was charged not convicted with the little incident with the female trainer in the gym at UT. Note this was a monetary settlement out of court. It never made it to court.

Come on now folks we didn&#39;t recruit em to raise our kids.

 

[shodges119]

ARTICLE REGARDING THE INCIDENT


Peyton Manning is one of the best players in the NFL. This year’s Co-MVP, Manning’s passing yardage and touchdowns passes have increased each of the six years he has played professional football.

Yet, his most impressive quality is his intelligence at the quarterback position. In an age when plays are called in from the sideline, Manning calls his own plays on the field. A typical Manning scenario will have him come to the line of scrimmage, observe the defensive formation, change the play, point out blocking schemes to his offensive linemen, physically position the running backs and ends where he wants them, take the snap and complete the pass. This is all done in about 10 seconds.

Manning is simply the smartest player in the NFL.

So, how could he be the accused, based on some of the dumbest moves imaginable, in a defamation case against a woman the world knows he intensely dislikes? Go figure&#33;

In 1996, Manning was in the University of Tennessee locker room having his feet examined by Dr. Jamie Ann Naughright. Cross-country runner and friend Malcolm Saxon was also in the locker room. With Manning standing and Naughright on her knees examining his feet, Manning dropped his pants and “mooned” Saxon.

All of this would have been OK except that Naughright contends that Manning did not simply moon Saxon but placed his “naked butt and rectum” on her head and face. Saxon supported Naughright’s version of the story. In a letter he wrote to Manning that became later part of the court record in Naughright’s defamation suit, Saxon stated: “Bro, you have tons of class but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. … You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened. … Your celebrity doesn’t mean you can treat folks that way.”

The next year, Naughright reportedly agreed to a &#036;300,000 settlement with the University of Tennessee over 33 alleged instances of sexual harassment surrounding her job in the athletic department. Her complaint included the Manning incident. However, Manning was not personally accused of sexual harassment and university officials characterized the incident as “horseplay.”

That characterization was a bad mistake because Manning never learned the difference between locker-room humor and the creation of a sexually hostile workplace environment. This lack of legal understanding would come back to haunt him when he recounted the Naughright incident in a book he co-authored in 2000 with his father Archie titled “Manning: A Father, His Sons, and a Football Legacy.”

In the book, Manning called his action “crude, maybe, but harmless” and contended that the female trainer should have “shrugged it off.” He also said that Naughright had a “vulgar mouth.”

Naughright was teaching at Florida Southern Baptist College, a United Methodist Baptist College in Lakeland, Fla., when the book was published. Until then, she had earned substantial pay raises and promotions as a faculty member. However, the resulting notoriety from the book caused her to be demoted and finally resign from the college. Thus, she sued Manning in early 2003 for defamation of character. Libel occurs when a malicious statement, which can be proved false, causes irreparable damage to a person’s reputation.

The Saxon letter disproves Manning’s story that he did not sit naked on Naughright’s head in the locker room. The vulgar mouth assertion came from a bus trip to the University of Virginia in 1996. Yet, Naughright had four male witnesses from that trip ready to testify in her defamation suit that she did not use bad language on the bus to and from Charlottesville.

Still, in November 2003, Manning’s attorney asked that the defamation case be dismissed because the passages in the book were “substantially” true. The trial judge disagreed and ruled that the case would go to trial. In late December, Manning resolved the lawsuit in a confidential, out of court settlement.

Gender discrimination of women often occurs in previously all-male domains such as locker rooms and on golf courses. These are areas where men historically can say and act in ways we won’t when women are around. Consequently, the goal of acts like Manning’s is not to coerce women into unwanted sexual activity but rather to create an uncomfortable and hostile environment for the perceived female “intruder.” Men who create these unfriendly environments hope that women will then seek job opportunities in less oppressive conditions and thus, the status quo will be maintained.

While we all need our “social” space, creating a hostile environment based on gender is clearly illegal. Furthermore, to tarnish intentionally a person’s professional reputation through knowingly false and malicious statements constitutes libel (if written) and slander (if spoken). Both are not protected under the First Amendment. Manning’s statements in the book are vindictive and his decision to recount the locker room incident was just plain dumb.

Neither Manning nor his father “get it.” In a November interview, Archie Manning said that his son regrets dropping his pants in front of Naughright and that he has already been punished. Yet, Peyton Manning has never publicly acknowledged sitting naked on the trainer’s head or writing false statements about her that resulted in a job loss. Moreover, the taxpayers of Tennessee paid the sexual harassment damages to Naughright, not the Manning family. His only punishment has come from the defamation settlement (whatever that is).

Let’s hope that the “Neanderthal gene” stopped with Peyton. His younger brother Eli is the star quarterback for the University of Mississippi and a likely first-round NFL draft pick this spring. If there is no genetic predisposition (to deny women meaningful job opportunities) that causes Eli to violate the law, I’m sure he will be smarter both on and off the field than his older sibling.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by shodges119+Jan 12, 2005 1:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shodges119 @ Jan 12, 2005 1:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by OldVol@Jan 12, 2005 1:22 PM
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@Jan 12, 2005 1:13 PM
:banghead:

Now here is where I get food thrown at me.  Shut up about the Cane&#39;s Felons&#33;&#33;&#33; Please as a Vol fan the last thing i need is a bunch of Cane fans actually doing research.  This would however assume reading ability.

Leonard Little 2 DUI 1 Manslaughter
Dwayne Goodrich 1 DUI 2 Manslaughters
Jamal Lewis  1 Drug Charge for Cocaine and 1 intent to Sell
Carl Pickens Umpteen Drug Suspensions

Should I continue??

Yes I know as a Vol fan I shouldn&#39;t have given them ammunition but JEEZ folks.  NO SCHOOL IN THE NCAA RECRUITS BASED ON MORALS&#33;&#33;&#33;  We can do this for every school with players in the NFL.  The Hurricanes are an extremely solid Football team who recruits as well as Tennessee.  The records don&#39;t lie.  But in all honest both schools have had teams that should have deplanned in Orange Prison Outfits instead of Fatigues.

How many of those offenses happened while they were at UT, and if the answer is none, how does that reflect poorly on the university?

Many folks make bad choices, it&#39;s what you do with kids WHILE they&#39;re in your program that should define your program, not what happens after they leave.

I just don&#39;t see the connection to our program when an ex player makes a lousy decision unless that player was a problem for the program.

I think this fitly describes a lot of the Canes players.

Ok name the offenses they committed at Miami and the Player. Remember this started out talking about Miami&#39;s players in NFL.

Sean Taylor DUI was dropped was fined for refusing Breatilizer
Ray Lewis For not turning in a friend he was charge with Obstructing.
Hmmm who else

Michael Irving Drug Suspension like Pickens in NFL.

Maybe I dont get the Miami Blotter report... But seems about the same to me.

Oh and even Peyton was charged not convicted with the little incident with the female trainer in the gym at UT. Note this was a monetary settlement out of court. It never made it to court.

Come on now folks we didn&#39;t recruit em to raise our kids. [/quote]
When college coaches get these kids, they&#39;re usually 17-19 years old. They are still kids. I wouldn&#39;t turn my boys over to anyone who had a track record of poor discipline.

While it isn&#39;t a coach&#39;s job to raise these kids, it is their job not to allow what the parents have taught them to go south. As for the kids who&#39;ve had no training at home, a coach has a golden opportunity to instill character and morals. Some coaches take this opportunity and turn out better men than they received. Others do not.

I think Larry Coker has done a good job at Miami. I stated earlier that they&#39;ve improved over the years, from the horrible cheating of the 80s, and the many thuggish players who&#39;ve come from the program. But there&#39;s still an air about the program that is distasteful. It is displayed in the actions of many of their fans as well.

I for one was glad when K Washington left early. I just don&#39;t see that sort of attitude from the Cane&#39;s fans. It seems to filter down from the team.

I think you&#39;ll have a difficult time defending the behavior of players like Winslow and Lewis, and their attitudes mirror their behavior at the U.

My initial remark about misdemeanants and felons was obviously tongue in cheek, but if you&#39;re out to convince me that the University of Miami football program is the model for shaping young men into productive, morally upstanding roll models, you&#39;re wasting your bandwidth.

I wasn’t even pleased with Phil’s handling of K. Washington. I felt it was too little too late. As a result we were left with a season in chaos. I know it wasn’t all Washington’s fault, but a lion’s share was laid at his feet.

I don’t hold to the school of thought that it’s ok because everybody does it.

The University of Tennessee should demand the finest moral behavior from its athletes. We deserve no less.

You might be happy with Miami-like behavior, but this is one Vol who is not.

 

[shodges119]

Totally agree with you... And I expect the same from Tennessee. However; I was playing the devil&#39;s advocate by saying it wouldn&#39;t be wise to throw stones in glass houses. Miami will find its way back into NCAA suspension if the 80&#39;s ever start repeating itself. Just as Tennessee would if they mimiced Bama&#39;s infractions. Personally most of these issues occur when you take a 22-24 year old kid out of college and hand him a 20 mil contract with a 6 mil bonus and make him feel invincible. I would love to see an ethics rule placed on NFL players irrelevant of school. Perhaps a 3 strike rule for minor infractions and no tolerance for major violations. Think of the NFL then. There would have been no Lawrence Taylor, no Ray Lewis, no Jaml Lewis, no Micheal Irving, no Randy Moss, no Brett Favre, no Terrell Owens, no Leonard Little, and list goes on and on. Then our kids wouldn&#39;t be wearing Jerseys of convicted killers, drug addicts, and generally horrid people. We would still have good players like Montana, Aikman, Rice, Sanders, and so on. Note thats Barry Sanders not Deon. Deon would have been gone on the 3 strike rule as well.

 

[volmanjr]

that will never happen...too much money at stake

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by shodges119@Jan 12, 2005 2:47 PM
Totally agree with you... And I expect the same from Tennessee. However; I was playing the devil&#39;s advocate by saying it wouldn&#39;t be wise to throw stones in glass houses. Miami will find its way back into NCAA suspension if the 80&#39;s ever start repeating itself. Just as Tennessee would if they mimiced Bama&#39;s infractions. Personally most of these issues occur when you take a 22-24 year old kid out of college and hand him a 20 mil contract with a 6 mil bonus and make him feel invincible. I would love to see an ethics rule placed on NFL players irrelevant of school. Perhaps a 3 strike rule for minor infractions and no tolerance for major violations. Think of the NFL then. There would have been no Lawrence Taylor, no Ray Lewis, no Jaml Lewis, no Micheal Irving, no Randy Moss, no Brett Favre, no Terrell Owens, no Leonard Little, and list goes on and on. Then our kids wouldn&#39;t be wearing Jerseys of convicted killers, drug addicts, and generally horrid people. We would still have good players like Montana, Aikman, Rice, Sanders, and so on. Note thats Barry Sanders not Deon. Deon would have been gone on the 3 strike rule as well.

What did I miss on Farve?

And, as for the stunt Peyton pulled, well, if all of us who&#39;d ever flashed the moon were labeled for such a prank, there wouldn&#39;t be anyone left to hold the moral high ground.

That whole incident was about Dollar Signs.

An athlete who flashes his rear in a training room..... horrors&#33;

 

[shodges119]

Favre was a Pain Killer Addict the first few years of his Career. He might still be around. But he was having real problems early. Peyton not only flashed the lady he brown eyed her head. Read the article closer. And I know it would never happen but there are only a handful of NFL players anyone could call a role model. Yet they get hyped up that way. The last true role model I remember died at 43 in the past two weeks.

We Miss You Reggie... Save us a seat&#33;

 

[allvol]

Okay, let&#39;s at least get some of the facts straight.

Dwayne Goodrich did not get a DUI in his accident. It was actually determined that he had not been drinking at all that evening and that he was driving less than 50 mpg. If anything, he was convicted of stupidity for leaving the scene of an accident.

Jamal Lewis&#39; conspiracy incident happened AFTER he left Tennessee but BEFORE he signed his NFL contract. He did have a &#39;shoplifting&#39; incident prior to coming to Tennessee where a friend of his sold him a shirt at a store for less than the actual price. I think the D.A. blew that one way out of proportion because he had just signed with UT and not UGA.

I&#39;ve never heard of Carl Pickens being suspended. You might want to check on that one. Maybe you were thinking of Dale Carter?

And while your at it, you could also bring Tony Robinson, Reggie Cobb, Nilo Silvan, Bruce Wilkerson, etc.

When you have a team with that many young adults, you are going to have some incidents. However, over the years, it has appeared that Miami has had alot more of these incidents than other schools.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by shodges119@Jan 12, 2005 3:00 PM
Favre was a Pain Killer Addict the first few years of his Career. He might still be around. But he was having real problems early. Peyton not only flashed the lady he brown eyed her head. Read the article closer. And I know it would never happen but there are only a handful of NFL players anyone could call a role model. Yet they get hyped up that way. The last true role model I remember died at 43 in the past two weeks.

We Miss You Reggie... Save us a seat&#33;

You have to remember, the majority of what we know about this incident came from the girl in question. The Mannings did not talk about it a lot. It was only dealt with in condescending tones in the book.

I still think it was much ado about nothing.

If a young lady wants to be an athletic trainer and is going to be offended by youthful pranks in a place where young guys are commonly naked, I have 2 words for her: grow up.

I still think the entire motivation was money.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by shodges119@Jan 12, 2005 3:00 PM
Peyton not only flashed the lady he brown eyed her head.

So she says&#33; And how much money has she been paid in 2 separate lawsuits? I was an administrative assistant in college, and if that is all that happened in front of her, then she should consider herself priviledged. Remember, she&#39;s only suing the richest player from that year&#39;s team.

 

[GoVolsDogg]

Originally posted by shodges119@Jan 12, 2005 3:00 PM
Favre was a Pain Killer Addict the first few years of his Career. He might still be around. But he was having real problems early. Peyton not only flashed the lady he brown eyed her head. Read the article closer. And I know it would never happen but there are only a handful of NFL players anyone could call a role model. Yet they get hyped up that way. The last true role model I remember died at 43 in the past two weeks.

We Miss You Reggie... Save us a seat&#33;

Reggie was in a every way a true role model, but there have been plenty of others since him.

 

[shodges119]

They are few and far between IMO. Strahan maybe. Marino but he left before Reggie. I hate to admit it but I can&#39;t think of too many. Marvin Harrison definately. Chad Clifton is a great example I guess. The boy has integrity and guts. Ok I yield that there are a few out there. But for every three role models theres 20 Ricky Williams, Randy Moss, Warren Sapps, and yes Reggie Cobbs.

 

[GAVol]

I think it&#39;s the other way around. There are many more good guys than bad, but the malcontents get the publicity because it makes for better TV. You don&#39;t ever hear a lead story about Warrick Dunn giving away houses to single Moms for instance.

 

[shodges119]

Your right there I never heard that

 

[Fadeproof]

Yeah its a charity he has set up in both ATL and TAMPA. Its really is amazing that you dont here more about positive influences.

 

[GoVolsDogg]

Originally posted by GAVol@Jan 12, 2005 5:10 PM
I think it&#39;s the other way around. There are many more good guys than bad, but the malcontents get the publicity because it makes for better TV. You don&#39;t ever hear a lead story about Warrick Dunn giving away houses to single Moms for instance.

This is true. You&#39;ll never hear about the John Lynch foundation, or the millions of dollars that Eddie George has donated to Ohio State and his community back in Virginia, but we&#39;ll be sure to hear about Randy Moss&#39; moon incident, Ricky Williams going to holistic schools for meditation, and Terrell Owens sharpie and other endzone celebrations.

 

[milohimself]

Originally posted by shodges119@Jan 12, 2005 2:05 PM
They are few and far between IMO. Strahan maybe. Marino but he left before Reggie. I hate to admit it but I can&#39;t think of too many. Marvin Harrison definately. Chad Clifton is a great example I guess. The boy has integrity and guts. Ok I yield that there are a few out there. But for every three role models theres 20 Ricky Williams, Randy Moss, Warren Sapps, and yes Reggie Cobbs.

Strahan is a personal hero of mine. I just love watching him play

And his smile is adorable