NFL Scout Critical of UT

[CSpindizzy]

Scout.com

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``Just look at the production level,'' said Landry, a former scout for the Tennessee Titans. ``Guys are not developing. They've had good athletes there.

``Look at the job they did with Tee Martin. Tee Martin was not a great quarterback. He played great for them. He managed the offense well. He made good decisions. Tennessee has not had that from a quarterback since.''

Since Martin, the Vols have started eight quarterbacks: Joey Mathews, A.J. Suggs, Casey Clausen, C.J. Leak, James Banks, Brent Schaeffer, Erik Ainge and Rick Clausen. The two Clausens and Ainge garnered most of the starts, with mixed results.

``Just look at the quarterbacks' foot work,'' Landry said. ``David Cutcliffe was one of the best at that.

``They're throwing mechanics have just not been as good. They're not as accurate. They can be hot and cold. Decision making is not as consistent. It's more than just play calling. People think play calling is good when it works.

 

[K-town98]

yes, we are not developing the atheletes. i blame coaching...

i think now that we have Cut back on board, we will turn back into WR U again.

 

[Lexvol]

I hope Mikey gets to read this. Surely an OC could tell you that UT's attention to detail has been lacking since the departure of Cut. It goes to show that Ainge has potential to turn things around.

Here, I will do it for you: :horse:

This is what happens with closed practices. There is no real evaluation of coaching, and we have to sit back after a 5-6 season and try to sort it all out.

 

[WA_Vol]

Scout.com

Small clip:

``Just look at the production level,'' said Landry, a former scout for the Tennessee Titans. ``Guys are not developing. They've had good athletes there.

``Look at the job they did with Tee Martin. Tee Martin was not a great quarterback. He played great for them. He managed the offense well. He made good decisions. Tennessee has not had that from a quarterback since.''

Since Martin, the Vols have started eight quarterbacks: Joey Mathews, A.J. Suggs, Casey Clausen, C.J. Leak, James Banks, Brent Schaeffer, Erik Ainge and Rick Clausen. The two Clausens and Ainge garnered most of the starts, with mixed results.

``Just look at the quarterbacks' foot work,'' Landry said. ``David Cutcliffe was one of the best at that.

``They're throwing mechanics have just not been as good. They're not as accurate. They can be hot and cold. Decision making is not as consistent. It's more than just play calling. People think play calling is good when it works.

I read the article and I think the guy is spot on and 100% correct.

 

[rockydoc]

I read the article and I think the guy is spot on and 100% correct.

I hope Mr. Landry doesn't have a listed phone number or email as he will be flooded with hate mail from the CPF cheerleaders that troll this board for any potential negative fires to try to douse out! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
.

 

[sonofajohn]

Good article, first time I have seen any kind of statement like that from a scout. However, as much also has to be owed to the fact that since Martin we haven't had an Elite 11 QB either.

 

[vols2345]

Good article, first time I have seen any kind of statement like that from a scout. However, as much also has to be owed to the fact that since Martin we haven't had an Elite 11 QB either.

having an elite 11 qb doesnt really matter all that much.... there are stud qb's all around the country in highschool..... but it sure would be nice to get one eh?? wasnt james banks elite 11??

 

[rockydoc]

having an elite 11 qb doesnt really matter all that much.... there are stud qb's all around the country in highschool..... but it sure would be nice to get one eh?? wasnt james banks elite 11??

As an "athlete" he was and maybe Ainge in top 15 as "pro type" QB.

 

[vols2345]

As an "athlete" he was and maybe Ainge in top 15 as "pro type" QB.

ainge was 18th overall as a qb coming out and i belive schaffer was 13th and i know casey clausen was 5th...

 

[sonofajohn]

having an elite 11 qb doesnt really matter all that much.... there are stud qb's all around the country in highschool..... but it sure would be nice to get one eh?? wasnt james banks elite 11??

No, he was invited but couldn't attend due to state rules. Elite 11 is more than just a rating too, at that camp these kids have access to the best QB minds in football. They step onto their campuses with a headstart on all the other freshman QBs in the nation.

 

[cotton]

Good article, first time I have seen any kind of statement like that from a scout. However, as much also has to be owed to the fact that since Martin we haven't had an Elite 11 QB either.

Still, I think Sonofajohn makes a valid point. I wonder if the scout would have felt the same way if we had started Chris Sims or Ken Dorsey and Chris Leak instead of the 8 he listed.

Personally, I thought both the Clausens maximized their physical abilities. Neither had great arm strength, both were a little undersized, but both overcame a lot of that with heady play and toughness. Maybe that is something in the gene pool, but to say that the program didn't develop anybody just isn't fair.

And Tee, if I recall correctly, was rated the #1 quarterback in the South, was a big, strong kid who could run, and had a cannon for an arm.

The coaching changes are a good thing, but it sounds like that scout's memory may be as faulty as some on this board (no disrespect--I love you guys :baloon: )

 

[McCat]

Still, I think Sonofajohn makes a valid point. I wonder if the scout would have felt the same way if we had started Chris Sims or Ken Dorsey and Chris Leak instead of the 8 he listed.

You shoulda started Cooter! :crazy:

 

[Lexvol]

Still, I think Sonofajohn makes a valid point. I wonder if the scout would have felt the same way if we had started Chris Sims or Ken Dorsey and Chris Leak instead of the 8 he listed.

Personally, I thought both the Clausens maximized their physical abilities. Neither had great arm strength, both were a little undersized, but both overcame a lot of that with heady play and toughness. Maybe that is something in the gene pool, but to say that the program didn't develop anybody just isn't fair.

And Tee, if I recall correctly, was rated the #1 quarterback in the South, was a big, strong kid who could run, and had a cannon for an arm.

The coaching changes are a good thing, but it sounds like that scout's memory may be as faulty as some on this board (no disrespect--I love you guys :baloon: )

Who is recruiting these guys? Part of the reason they didn't get Elite 11 talent is because CClausen was ordained by Sanders as the second coming. What is wrong with this picuture. Cut is here, Elite 11s coming out of the woodwork. He leaves and UT is stuck with a bunch of Clausens. :horse:

 

[cotton]

Who is recruiting these guys?

We recruited all three I mentioned heavily, and I believe we got commits from all three as well (not sure if Dorsey was a formal commit or not, but he jumped ship when Simms comitted.) And I left Jamarcus Russel off the list, although he was in the mix for UT until the whole "Tee on the sidelines" controversy. Looking back, had we gotten those guys, we might have been talking about what a great coach Sanders is right now!

Aside from some happy dreams, it doesn't do a lot of good to look at the ones that got away, though. I just hope the coaches we've got now can develop the players we've got now, because I know they have the physical talent.

 

[GAVol]

Also have to remember that there was a trickle down effect due to Chris Simms decommitting.

 

[wilburnVol]

I read the article and I think the guy is spot on and 100% correct.

Especially the part about denying being sick until you're damn near dead.

It's a new illness cal Phildenial. :cry:

 

[wilburnVol]

I hope Mr. Landry doesn't have a listed phone number or email as he will be flooded with hate mail from the CPF cheerleaders that troll this board for any potential negative fires to try to douse out! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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You got that right. :bump3: :bump3:

TROLLS they are, the first tactic is to attempt to hijack the thread by switching the topic or flat out lying about a poster's comments. Note how they rarely quote the poster they are lying about, like it is sooooooooooo hard to do. :blink: :bad:

What they don't realize is their behaviors make Phil look all the worse. :ill_h4h:

 

[VolBeef88]

STOP THE PRESS! Somone criticized a school who had a down year. My gosh, you see this stuff every year if you look and from all schools. Go to other school boards and you will see this is NOT unique to UT.

 

[cotton]

Note how they rarely quote the poster they are lying about, like it is sooooooooooo hard to do. :blink: :bad:
:ill_h4h:

How is this:

Scout.com

``Just look at the production level,'' said Landry, a former scout for the Tennessee Titans. ``Guys are not developing. They've had good athletes there.

``Look at the job they did with Tee Martin. Tee Martin was not a great quarterback. He played great for them. He managed the offense well. He made good decisions. Tennessee has not had that from a quarterback since.''

Since Martin, the Vols have started eight quarterbacks: Joey Mathews, A.J. Suggs, Casey Clausen, C.J. Leak, James Banks, Brent Schaeffer, Erik Ainge and Rick Clausen. The two Clausens and Ainge garnered most of the starts, with mixed results.

I respectfully disagree with this characterization. Joey Mathews, Casey Clausen, and Rick Clausen were not the same quality of athlete as Manning, Martin, and Shuler. Leak and Suggs were good athletes, but all good athletes do not pan out, as evidenced by their failure to develop at other positions (Leak) or other schools (Suggs.) Banks moved to receiver where he was very succesful until off the field problems forced him into limbo. The book is not yet closed on either Ainge or Schaeffer, two sophomores who have yet to reach their second decade on the planet.

My point was mainly to state that we have not had as high of a caliber of athlete for some pretty strange reasons at the quarterback position, and this, in my opinion has affected the alleged lack of development.

TROLLS they are, the first tactic is to attempt to hijack the thread by switching the topic or flat out lying about a poster's comments.
:ill_h4h:

You know, not everybody who disagrees with your opinion is a troll, and not every body who agrees with it is a genius. It is pretty easy to take pot-shots at a program, a coach, and its supporters--including those who post in an internet forum--after a losing season. Flaming those that don't agree with you, though, is just bad manners :nono:

 

[CSpindizzy]

STOP THE PRESS! Somone criticized a school who had a down year. My gosh, you see this stuff every year if you look and from all schools. Go to other school boards and you will see this is NOT unique to UT.

Here is the beating a dead horse part......this is not just a "down year". If you call this one of those down years that schools typically suffer due to injuries, bad recruiting, lots of the lower classmen, you're wrong. There is this group out there that keeps defending this "down year" failing to realize with the experience level, great recruiting, etc. we should have had anything BUT a down year. This year was symbolic of DEEP issues with the team. These same problems have been lingering and growing on a yearly basis. Many saw the problems for what they were. Many people were touting a "good record" as their only defense for UT NOT having any issues. It finally came to a head this year and the losing record finally got many of the "there's nothing wrong, we have a winning record crowd" thinking maybe we were wrong. But there are still the follow off the edge of the cliff crowd drinking the kool aid thinking "oh this was just one single bad year and those happen to everyone all the time".

Every expert in the book had UT in the top 5 with many claiming National Title aspirations for us. You don't sit on several years of top recruiting, returning veterans, etc. and just have a bad year. You don't sit on a program gift wrapped like this and just have 2-4 losses and call it a good year year after year. You can't call it a top tier program finishing outside the top 10 or even top 20 and still not beating the big boys. The only consistency is that we can rotate and beat one of the big boys every year. We plateau'd out under the previous system. We could not take it back to the next level and remain in the top 10 at least every year and even consistently beat one of the big boys every year or even more than one every year. We took a few trips to the SEC title game but only because everyone else lost more than we lost instead of we dominated and deserved rightfully to be there.

We can go full circles and copy and paste the same repeated lines over and over. Nothing will obviously change with a few of you. Keep drinking the kool aid. Luckily the powers that be have stopped sipping it and made CPF make the needed changes. I just hope he's cleared the cobwebs out and never lets this happen again....at least don't let it linger for years like this.

 

[rockydoc]

Here is the beating a dead horse part......this is not just a "down year". If you call this one of those down years that schools typically suffer due to injuries, bad recruiting, lots of the lower classmen, you're wrong. There is this group out there that keeps defending this "down year" failing to realize with the experience level, great recruiting, etc. we should have had anything BUT a down year. This year was symbolic of DEEP issues with the team. These same problems have been lingering and growing on a yearly basis. Many saw the problems for what they were. Many people were touting a "good record" as their only defense for UT NOT having any issues. It finally came to a head this year and the losing record finally got many of the "there's nothing wrong, we have a winning record crowd" thinking maybe we were wrong. But there are still the follow off the edge of the cliff crowd drinking the kool aid thinking "oh this was just one single bad year and those happen to everyone all the time".

Every expert in the book had UT in the top 5 with many claiming National Title aspirations for us. You don't sit on several years of top recruiting, returning veterans, etc. and just have a bad year. You don't sit on a program gift wrapped like this and just have 2-4 losses and call it a good year year after year. You can't call it a top tier program finishing outside the top 10 or even top 20 and still not beating the big boys. The only consistency is that we can rotate and beat one of the big boys every year. We plateau'd out under the previous system. We could not take it back to the next level and remain in the top 10 at least every year and even consistently beat one of the big boys every year or even more than one every year. We took a few trips to the SEC title game but only because everyone else lost more than we lost instead of we dominated and deserved rightfully to be there.

We can go full circles and copy and paste the same repeated lines over and over. Nothing will obviously change with a few of you. Keep drinking the kool aid. Luckily the powers that be have stopped sipping it and made CPF make the needed changes. I just hope he's cleared the cobwebs out and never lets this happen again....at least don't let it linger for years like this.

Eloquent! So well spoken. This post (CSpin's) should be the last word on this issue. Unfortunately it won't.

 

[therickbol]

Here is the beating a dead horse part......this is not just a "down year". If you call this one of those down years that schools typically suffer due to injuries, bad recruiting, lots of the lower classmen, you're wrong. There is this group out there that keeps defending this "down year" failing to realize with the experience level, great recruiting, etc. we should have had anything BUT a down year. This year was symbolic of DEEP issues with the team. These same problems have been lingering and growing on a yearly basis. Many saw the problems for what they were. Many people were touting a "good record" as their only defense for UT NOT having any issues. It finally came to a head this year and the losing record finally got many of the "there's nothing wrong, we have a winning record crowd" thinking maybe we were wrong. But there are still the follow off the edge of the cliff crowd drinking the kool aid thinking "oh this was just one single bad year and those happen to everyone all the time".

Every expert in the book had UT in the top 5 with many claiming National Title aspirations for us. You don't sit on several years of top recruiting, returning veterans, etc. and just have a bad year. You don't sit on a program gift wrapped like this and just have 2-4 losses and call it a good year year after year. You can't call it a top tier program finishing outside the top 10 or even top 20 and still not beating the big boys. The only consistency is that we can rotate and beat one of the big boys every year. We plateau'd out under the previous system. We could not take it back to the next level and remain in the top 10 at least every year and even consistently beat one of the big boys every year or even more than one every year. We took a few trips to the SEC title game but only because everyone else lost more than we lost instead of we dominated and deserved rightfully to be there.

We can go full circles and copy and paste the same repeated lines over and over. Nothing will obviously change with a few of you. Keep drinking the kool aid. Luckily the powers that be have stopped sipping it and made CPF make the needed changes. I just hope he's cleared the cobwebs out and never lets this happen again....at least don't let it linger for years like this.

psst....just one short simple comment: "this was just a down year"

 

[U-T]

The scout articles happened to UF 2 years ago when everyone said Zook and his staff was turning great talent into crap.

Amazing how when Urban Meyer came into town...all those crappy players turned into apparent HOF's

We win 9 games next year and all is well

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Scout says we haven't been developing quarterbacks since Tee and Cut was really good at that. Well, I think the point that should be taken out of this article, is this guy is saying Cut is BACK!! So the developing of quarterbacks will now once again begin. I see it as a positive. Past is history and unfortunately has not been pretty under previous OC but now Cut is back to develop potential Pro style QBs who do have the mechanics and can make the good game decisions.

 

[CSpindizzy]

psst....just one short simple comment: "this was just a down year"

OK...I'll play along....explain to me how this is "Just a down year" and nothing more.