NFL Scout Critical of UT

[cotton]

OK...I'll play along....explain to me how this is "Just a down year" and nothing more.

10-3. 10-3. 5-6.

 

[therickbol]

10-3. 10-3. 5-6.

Exactly what I was fixing to say. Yeah, look at the gradual decline over the last two seasons....that was sarcasam by the way. There were problems that needed to be fixed. I think UTK fixed the biggest ones. A team doesn't get "lucky" and when the amount of games UTK has the last two seasons.

 

[smokedog#3]

blame the head coach he is the one who stood around and did nothing for the last 8 years. the man on scout is 100% right on, except he should have said fulmer did a terrible job. fulmer should have done away with sanders years ago but instead did nothing except get pay raises. :banghead:

 

[U-T]

blame the head coach he is the one who stood around and did nothing for the last 8 years.

 

[CSpindizzy]

10-3. 10-3. 5-6.

So a record is all that matters? Would you like a Miami type program? An FSU type program? You have stellar records but your players get into fights, steal, play dirty, but still hand up that winning record? You don't mind not beating the better teams? You don't mind never being able to make it over the hump and winning the SEC much less the National Title?

Frankly I expect more from top recruiting classes every year. I expect more from these top quality of coaches. I expect more than just beating Vandy, UK, Memphis, etc. only to lose to UF, UGA, LSU, etc. every year. Fulmer's salary is not to have 2-4 losses every year. His salary is to win the big games and take us to title games.

Your simpleton reply of nothing but a record explaining just a down year needs some re-examination. Explain the lack of development. Explain the increase in lack of focus....penalties, fumbles, no offensive production, etc. Our team has slowly been sinking in the ranks of the SEC while others make needed changes to put their teams and reputations back on top. Defend mediocrity and failure all you want.

 

[WA_Vol]

blame the head coach he is the one who stood around and did nothing for the last 8 years. the man on scout is 100% right on, except he should have said fulmer did a terrible job. fulmer should have done away with sanders years ago but instead did nothing except get pay raises. :banghead:

Agreed. Not to mention Fulmer should have replaced the secondary coach, and hired a new coach to handle special teams. 2 issues that are still not addressed. These 2 areas have been problems for several years now. I wonder what the Fulmer apologists have to say about this?

Flame away.

 

[WA_Vol]

Exactly what I was fixing to say. Yeah, look at the gradual decline over the last two seasons....that was sarcasam by the way. There were problems that needed to be fixed. I think UTK fixed the biggest ones. A team doesn't get "lucky" and when the amount of games UTK has the last two seasons.

Yeah completely ignore the gradual decline over the last 7 years. How do you explain THE FACT that Fulmers winning % over the past 7 years is worse then both Majors and Battle last 7 years as head coach at UT? If this coach is so great as you claim, how could he possibly have a lower winning % then UT's last 2 head coaches, who coincidently were both fired, over a period as large as 7 years??

Flame away.

 

[LadyinOrange]

I'm stepping in where angels fear to tread, but comparing the records of past coaches is a little lame. College football and college football players in the seventies were a whole different animal than today's. I was watching an old game from my father-in-law's collection and was amazed at how not only how small the players seemed, but how less intense the style of play was. Of course it was a Kentucky game, so that may have just been par for the course for them.

:birgits_giggle:

As for declining records, it's called PARITY. Embrace it. It's here to stay.

 

[mattvols]

he said everything i've been preaching all year, Sanders while could probably run a good offense with a good QB, he is one of the worst QB coaches I've ever seen, everything about our QBs were terrible. He didn't know anything about how to coach them.

 

[GAVol]

I predict LIO will now get accused of working for the AD within 5 posts.

 

[LadyinOrange]

I predict LIO will now get accused of working for the AD within 5 posts.

I WISH. They probably make 3 times what I make a year. :blink:

 

[WA_Vol]

I'm stepping in where angels fear to tread, but comparing the records of past coaches is a little lame. College football and college football players in the seventies were a whole different animal than today's. I was watching an old game from my father-in-law's collection and was amazed at how not only how small the players seemed, but how less intense the style of play was. Of course it was a Kentucky game, so that may have just been par for the course for them.

:birgits_giggle:

As for declining records, it's called PARITY. Embrace it. It's here to stay.

Have to respectfully disagree there LIO.

The teams Battle, and Majors were losing too, are the same ones Fulmer's been losing to. Namely, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, Florida, and Alabama. Although, Fulmer been pretty successful against Florida and Alabama since Spurrier left. But all those coaches have been playing against these same teams forever.

 

[smokedog#3]

like i said ut fulmer can win 10 games a year for the rest of his tenure at tennessee and it means nothing. you start the season with one purpose to win the sec and if you don't you didn't accomplish your goal. fulmer has stated that over and over again. he hasn't won it in 8 years, i don't plan on him winning it anytime soon. as his talent level falls i'm not even sure that CUT can save him even though he is a good coach. the whole thing is if he would have made a move 4 years ago atleast i could say he was trying to improve, but he didn't he did nothing except worring about getting paid. its not just a down year it is a down swing in the program. the only thing fulmer has to do to prove everybody wrong is win the sec title, but he can't do it. i hope you guys are right and we tear it up next year, i just don't see it happening.

 

[cotton]

So a record is all that matters? Would you like a Miami type program? An FSU type program? You have stellar records but your players get into fights, steal, play dirty, but still hand up that winning record? You don't mind not beating the better teams? You don't mind never being able to make it over the hump and winning the SEC much less the National Title?

Frankly I expect more from top recruiting classes every year. I expect more from these top quality of coaches. I expect more than just beating Vandy, UK, Memphis, etc. only to lose to UF, UGA, LSU, etc. every year. Fulmer's salary is not to have 2-4 losses every year. His salary is to win the big games and take us to title games.

Your simpleton reply of nothing but a record explaining just a down year needs some re-examination. Explain the lack of development. Explain the increase in lack of focus....penalties, fumbles, no offensive production, etc. Our team has slowly been sinking in the ranks of the SEC while others make needed changes to put their teams and reputations back on top. Defend mediocrity and failure all you want.

Before you start labeling posts as "simpleton" you might want to add a little logic to your own. Just after deriding me for listing Fulmer's record, you slam the guy for his record against LSU, UGa, and Fla. And of those three teams that beat us "every year," you seem to have forgotten that we beat one of them this year and the other two last year. You also forget that they seem to have pretty good recruiting classes every year as well.

What's your justification that Fulmer is no good, or, as smokedog put it, that he has done nothing for 8 years? This year's 5-6 record? This year's "lack of focus....penalties, fumbles, no offensive production, etc?" We haven't made it to a championship game since last year, so we have "slowly been sinking in the ranks of the SEC?" That is a simpleton reply.

I don't want to be FSU or Miami. I don't want off season arrests or recruiting scandals or Randy Moss or free shoes or probation. I am proud of the fact that UT is one of only two SEC schools that has never had a major NCAA violation yet still has realistic goals of a conference championship going into each season. And Fulmer has been at the helm of the program for long enough to get some credit for it.

This was a down year, both on and off the field. The record and the rap sheet show that. But for all of you who think that Fulmer must have killed his brain cells at the post-Fiesta Bowl party after '98, remember that this season's 5-6 record falls on the heels of back-to-back 10 win seasons, with the last one coming with a 3rd string quarterback in what I think was a great coaching job.

 

[U-T]

I'm stepping in where angels fear to tread, but comparing the records of past coaches is a little lame. College football and college football players in the seventies were a whole different animal than today's. I was watching an old game from my father-in-law's collection and was amazed at how not only how small the players seemed, but how less intense the style of play was. Of course it was a Kentucky game, so that may have just been par for the course for them.

:birgits_giggle:

As for declining records, it's called PARITY. Embrace it. It's here to stay.

:dance2: :dance2: :dance2: :dance2: :dance2: :dance2: :dance2: :dance2: :dance2:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

This past year was a culmination of poor hiring of coaches on the offensive side of the ball. There is no doubt that Tennessee has a plethora of talent coming out of the high school ranks for whatever reason it seems that Tennessee does not have the simple oomph......that is used to have. By that I mean where are the impact players? Below is a listing of players currently in the NFL. Notice something, where are the quality offensive lineman, wide receivers and quarterbacks?

Cut will have his hands full, with us internet and media people, especially if the offense does not come out of the T running.

I tease you guys and gals about Erik Ainge but I honestly think Ainge and Foster will be the next big thing at Tennessee!

If Ainge is not the answer then whomever it may be the Orange Empire needs to be restored atop of the SEC!

Tennessee
Rashad Baker Safety Buffalo Bills
Julian Battle Cornerback Kansas City Chiefs
Shawn Bryson Running Back Detroit Lions
Kevin Burnett Linebacker Dallas Cowboys
Dale Carter Cornerback Baltimore Ravens
Chad Clifton Offensive Tackle Green Bay Packers
Cosey Coleman Offensive Guard Cleveland Browns
Dustin Colquitt Punter Kansas City Chiefs
Shaun Ellis Defensive End New York Jets
Terry Fair Cornerback St. Louis Rams
Troy Fleming Running Back Tennessee Titans
Aubrayo Franklin Defensive Tackle Baltimore Ravens
Deon Grant Safety Jacksonville Jaguars
Jabari Greer Cornerback Buffalo Bills
Albert Haynesworth Defensive Tackle Tennessee Titans
John Henderson Defensive Tackle Jacksonville Jaguars
Travis Henry Running Back Tennessee Titans
Anthony Herrera Offensive Guard Minnesota Vikings
Cedric Houston Running Back New York Jets
Mark Jones Wide Receiver Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jamal Lewis Running Back Baltimore Ravens
Leonard Little Defensive End St. Louis Rams
Peyton Manning Quarterback Indianapolis Colts
David Martin Tight End Green Bay Packers
Eddie Moore Linebacker Miami Dolphins
Eric Parker Wide Receiver San Diego Chargers
Constantin Ritzmann Defensive End Atlanta Falcons
Donte' Stallworth Wide Receiver New Orleans Saints
Trey Teague Center Buffalo Bills
Demetrin Veal Defensive Tackle Denver Broncos
Darwin Walker Defensive Tackle Philadelphia Eagles
Kelley Washington Wide Receiver Cincinnati Bengals
Fred Weary Offensive Guard Houston Texans
Scott Wells Center Green Bay Packers
Cedrick Wilson Wide Receiver Pittsburgh Steelers
Al Wilson Linebacker Denver Broncos
Gibril Wilson Safety New York Giants
Jason Witten Tight End Dallas Cowboys