Nick Saban - Champions of Life

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JFreak said:
Ah see, you are looking through the lens of football being the most important. Completely contrary to quotes from Saban, Swinney, and the NCAA Core Values. Interesting..
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Football is the most important thing at big football schools. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is.

Butch, Saban, Dabo, et al can put out 75 Mother Teresas out into the world every year. If they don't win football games, or win enough football games as deemed by boosters, admin, fans, etc., they will be fired.

It takes something outrageous and extreme, like what Briles was accused of doing at Baylor, to get a coach fired purely for player misconduct. And Briles wasn't fired necessarily for what his players did, but for his role in a cover up.

For the most part, it only matters and gets brought up when a coach isn't winning enough.
 
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Godfatha said:
Does Butch get paid $4million a year to produce Championships of Life?
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He gets paid $4 mill/yr to:
1. Guide and build the players through many aspects of young adulthood
2. Build a gradually improving football program
 
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JFreak said:
He gets paid $4 mill/yr to:
1. Guide and build the players through many aspects of young adulthood
2. Build a gradually improving football program
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It's really to bring in enough money to the University commensurate with a $4.5m/year salary.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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05_never_again said:
Football is the most important thing at big football schools. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is.

Butch, Saban, Dabo, et al can put out 75 Mother Teresas out into the world every year. If they don't win football games, or win enough football games as deemed by boosters, admin, fans, etc., they will be fired.

It takes something outrageous and extreme, like what Briles was accused of doing at Baylor, to get a coach fired purely for player misconduct. And Briles wasn't fired necessarily for what his players did, but for his role in a cover up.

For the most part, it only matters and gets brought up when a coach isn't winning enough.
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Reasonable stance, and I think that many fans would agree with you. However, the administration views the program holistically. And it's not one or the other, but rather a combination of both football prowess and setting the players up for life after football that really matter. And while I don't know of any other coaches to get fired for player misconduct, it usually leads to declining team performance on the field over time. Especially as more and more elite players are dismissed. So while no one cares if you put out 75 Mother Teresas, people definitely notice when you harbor 75 felons. I think we as fans don't put enough stock into the development of young men, as evidenced by the quotes in the OP.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's really to bring in enough money to the University commensurate with a $4.5m/year salary.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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I would agree with that. Now let's look at the Baylor (or UT) Title IX suit for example. How much did that misconduct cost the university? Unfortunately settlements amounts are never made public, but I would guess somewhere in the $50-100 mill range? So indeed it appears you can put a price on producing Champions of Life.. and it saves a heck of a lot of money.
 
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JFreak said:
Reasonable stance, and I think that many fans would agree with you. However, the administration views the program holistically. And it's not one or the other, but rather a combination of both football prowess and setting the players up for life after football that really matter. And while I don't know of any other coaches to get fired for player misconduct, it usually leads to declining team performance on the field over time. Especially as more and more elite players are dismissed. So while no one cares if you put out 75 Mother Teresas, people definitely notice when you harbor 75 felons. I think we as fans don't put enough stock into the development of young men, as evidenced by the quotes in the OP.
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As long as you have a successful team, nobody really cares if you have 75 felons on the team. Some people outside of the athletic department and the sports media (who don't have any use for college athletics and will exploit any opportunity to take shots at it) might, but the administration and fans don't care. See Urban's tenure at Florida.

It only becomes an issue when the team starts losing. And if you lose too much, nothing can save your job, regardless if your players are saints or not.
 
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05_never_again said:
As long as you have a successful team, nobody really cares if you have 75 felons on the team. Some people outside of the athletic department and the sports media (who don't have any use for college athletics and will exploit any opportunity to take shots at it) might, but the administration and fans don't care. See Urban's tenure at Florida.

It only becomes an issue when the team starts losing. And if you lose too much, nothing can save your job, regardless if your players are saints or not.
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I believe that there would be far more pressure from the administration onto the coaching staff after 10 separate off-season incidents leading to felonies than say, losing to Vandy and SC.
 
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JFreak said:
I would agree with that. Now let's look at the Baylor (or UT) Title IX suit for example. How much did that misconduct cost the university? Unfortunately settlements amounts are never made public, but I would guess somewhere in the $50-100 mill range? So indeed it appears you can put a price on producing Champions of Life.. and it saves a heck of a lot of money.
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It actually wasn't the fact that Briles had rapists on the team that caused him to lose his job. It was the fact that he played a role in a cover up. Once he became associated with that, he became a liability rather than an asset to the school (i.e., could no longer justify his salary relative to the amount of money he'd help the school bring in), so he was fired. It is a completely amoral judgment and in an ideal world it wouldn't be, but that's just how it is.

If he could have somehow still economically justified his salary relative to the trouble he'd brought the University, he'd still be there.
 
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JFreak said:
I believe that there would be far more pressure from the administration onto the coaching staff after 10 separate off-season incidents leading to felonies than say, losing to Vandy and SC.
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Depends on how many games the team won lately. If Butch exceeded expectations in the recent past, people would take notice of 10 offseason arrests, but nobody would hold his feet to the fire for it. It only becomes an issue if the team isn't meeting expectations.

Urban's tenure at Florida I think is the best example of this. He recruited an absolute motley crew of guys during his time of Florida. Nobody in the national media cared, or frankly even really noticed, until after he left. Why? Because he was winning. And he had Tebow.
 
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JFreak said:
Ok, then maybe I am. Please explain how one used "big boy" words and the other did not with the difference being successful vs champions?
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Champions of life was a cliche to counter the lack of success in getting the team to a better season and bowl. He wasn't asked a question on achieving student development or goals but rather one on coming up very short on the field.

There are ways to say things and after four years you can recognize Butch is a walking cliche then I can't help you. The two coaches that are playing tonight are not in the habit of using cliches to the extend Herr Jones does. And when and if they do they will more than likely not do it trying to dismiss a question on their coaching ability.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Champions of life was a cliche to counter the lack of success in getting the team to a better season and bowl. He wasn't asked a question on achieving student development or goals but rather one on coming up very short on the field.

There are ways to say things and after four years you can recognize Butch is a walking cliche then I can't help you. The two coaches that are playing tonight are not in the habit of using cliches to the extend Herr Jones does. And when and if they do they will more than likely not do it trying to dismiss a question on their coaching ability.
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Exactly! Every coach/teacher/parent can play the C.O.L. card. Butch's answer had no bearing to the question being asked.
 
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Saban and Swinney weren't answering questions about how or why their teams fell short of expectations. Thus, their answers weren't lame deflections.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Champions of life was a cliche to counter the lack of success in getting the team to a better season and bowl. He wasn't asked a question on achieving student development or goals but rather one on coming up very short on the field.

There are ways to say things and after four years you can recognize Butch is a walking cliche then I can't help you. The two coaches that are playing tonight are not in the habit of using cliches to the extend Herr Jones does. And when and if they do they will more than likely not do it trying to dismiss a question on their coaching ability.
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Well said
 
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JFreak said:
When asked by Hannah Storm what his single golden rule of coaching was, Little Nicky replied with something along the lines of "We want to do everything in our power to foster an environment where our players become successful at life". Dabo Swinney followed with a similar sentiment. Where's the media and VN outrage? What kind of idiot coach would say something like that with the NC tomorrow night?
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They will win at life and we will lose at life.
 
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JFreak said:
When asked by Hannah Storm what his single golden rule of coaching was, Little Nicky replied with something along the lines of "We want to do everything in our power to foster an environment where our players become successful at life". Dabo Swinney followed with a similar sentiment. Where's the media and VN outrage? What kind of idiot coach would say something like that with the NC tomorrow night?
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You have some VN posters were CBJ to simply read the 23rd Pslam or John 3:16 would raise hell about his cornball delivery. The bridges on both sides of the equation have been burned in many cases.
 
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JFreak said:
When asked by Hannah Storm what his single golden rule of coaching was, Little Nicky replied with something along the lines of "We want to do everything in our power to foster an environment where our players become successful at life". Dabo Swinney followed with a similar sentiment. Where's the media and VN outrage? What kind of idiot coach would say something like that with the NC tomorrow night?
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:thud:
 
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After last night, Bama truly are champions of life. First Losers. Crimson Tidy-Bowls. Errant corpuscles. Exposed vulnerables. Tiger scat. [Feel free to pile on...]
 
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Tin Man said:
After last night, Bama truly are champions of life. First Losers. Crimson Tidy-Bowls. Errant corpuscles. Exposed vulnerables. Tiger scat. [Feel free to pile on...]
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Directly related to Saban's quote in the OP and his inability to manage Kiffin. Saban trending downwards and should be fired.
 
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