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bleedingTNorange

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im not sure how many know what EYBL is, so i'll start by kind of giving a little summary. its an AAU league made up of some of the top talent across the talent, most of the teams involved have multiple D1 level prospects on their roster. the teams are put into divisions and play the same teams in their divisions throughout the season, 4 different sessions through the summer. it becomes a 24 game schedule, and isnt like your typical AAU ball. its very organized and great basketball, very much like a college type setting. its basically like playing another high school season, but against elite talent. so with that said, here are some stats for tennessee recruits from this past weekend, 6 games. ive done kind of the lower level guys, as guys like thornwell, pinson, king, johnson etc etc are all playing as expected...

i dont want to say these numbers are going to be directly mirrored in college, but these are VERY realistic numbers, and not numbers that are blown up like in typical AAU ball...

Deshawn Munson: 17.2mpg 8.6ppg 3rpg 40%fg 40%ft

Jack Whitman: 26.4mpg 13.4ppg 6.8rpg 60%fg 67%ft

Akoy Agau: 27.2mpg 17.6ppg 7.2rpg 52%fg 74%ft

Travon Landry: 25mpg 6.3ppg 2.3rpg 4.2apg 2.6topg 47%fg 36%ft 0%3pt


i will add with munson, he gets to the line ALOT, that is his game. he doesnt shoot many 3's at all, he attacks the rim constantly, and continues that approach. if he was to shoot 75-80 percent from the line youd see his ppg go up to 12-13 a game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
i will add with munson, he gets to the line ALOT, that is his game. he doesnt shoot many 3's at all, he attacks the rim constantly, and continues that approach. if he was to shoot 75-80 percent from the line youd see his ppg go up to 12-13 a game.
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So he goes to the line a lot and misses 13 free throws a game?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
im not sure how many know what EYBL is, so i'll start by kind of giving a little summary. its an AAU league made up of some of the top talent across the talent, most of the teams involved have multiple D1 level prospects on their roster. the teams are put into divisions and play the same teams in their divisions throughout the season, 4 different sessions through the summer. it becomes a 24 game schedule, and isnt like your typical AAU ball. its very organized and great basketball, very much like a college type setting. its basically like playing another high school season, but against elite talent. so with that said, here are some stats for tennessee recruits from this past weekend, 6 games. ive done kind of the lower level guys, as guys like thornwell, pinson, king, johnson etc etc are all playing as expected...

i dont want to say these numbers are going to be directly mirrored in college, but these are VERY realistic numbers, and not numbers that are blown up like in typical AAU ball...

Deshawn Munson: 17.2mpg 8.6ppg 3rpg 40%fg 40%ft

Jack Whitman: 26.4mpg 13.4ppg 6.8rpg 60%fg 67%ft

Akoy Agau: 27.2mpg 17.6ppg 7.2rpg 52%fg 74%ft

Travon Landry: 25mpg 6.3ppg 2.3rpg 4.2apg 2.6topg 47%fg 36%ft 0%3pt


i will add with munson, he gets to the line ALOT, that is his game. he doesnt shoot many 3's at all, he attacks the rim constantly, and continues that approach. if he was to shoot 75-80 percent from the line youd see his ppg go up to 12-13 a game.
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40% FT for a guard is pretty horrible. Gotta think that is a form thing a college coach could corret.
 
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I went through the numbers - and math was not my specialty - but I show Landry's line at:

6 ppg (120 pts/20 games); 41 %FGs (49-120); 13 % 3s (1-8) 53 pct FTs (21-40) 2.65 rpg; 3.3 apg; 1.8 topg and .75 steals per game.

Encouraging that he brought his FG pct up. Absolutely has to bring that FT number up above 70% to get major PT as a PG in the SEC.

Really interested in seeing how his senior season goes.

bleedingTNorange said:
Travon Landry: 25mpg 6.3ppg 2.3rpg 4.2apg 2.6topg 47%fg 36%ft 0%3pt
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germanicus said:
I went through the numbers - and math was not my specialty - but I show Landry's line at:

6 ppg (120 pts/20 games); 41 %FGs (49-120); 13 % 3s (1-8) 53 pct FTs (21-40) 2.65 rpg; 3.3 apg; 1.8 topg and .75 steals per game.

Encouraging that he brought his FG pct up. Absolutely has to bring that FT number up above 70% to get major PT as a PG in the SEC.

Really interested in seeing how his senior season goes.
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Very close to what I came up with, maybe I missed a game or something and that was the small difference, not sure.

Either way, not very impressive.
 
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The thing we don't know, can't know without watching,, is what kind of ball-handler/speedster he is. A fast PG who can break the press by himself is pretty valuable.
bleedingTNorange said:
Very close to what I came up with, maybe I missed a game or something and that was the small difference, not sure.

Either way, not very impressive.
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germanicus said:
The thing we don't know, can't know without watching,, is what kind of ball-handler/speedster he is. A fast PG who can break the press by himself is pretty valuable.
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He's quick, but not blazing blow by his defender can't keep him out of the lane quick, that I do know.

As far as just finding a PG that can break a press, I feel confident that we could have found that much later in the game if that's all he's going to bring. I don't think you bring in a PG who's only above average skill is breaking a press that early in the recruiting process. Jmo
 
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zansdad said:
I would think a person that plays basketball, basically, every day is getting plenty of practice.
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Look a little deeper there Zan. Clearly, I meant practicing his free throws, not general basketball practice. Too many kids are practicing their next highlight dunk rather than fine-tuning their fundamental skills, like dribbling, shooting, free throws, etc. Free throws especially are a matter of repetition.
 
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I agree, but I'm just trying to find something that makes me believe there's more to this than Cuonzo jumped the gun on this one. Guess we'll have to wait and find out.
bleedingTNorange said:
As far as just finding a PG that can break a press, I feel confident that we could have found that much later in the game if that's all he's going to bring. I don't think you bring in a PG who's only above average skill is breaking a press that early in the recruiting process. Jmo
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cncchris33 said:
Look a little deeper there Zan. Clearly, I meant practicing his free throws, not general basketball practice. Too many kids are practicing their next highlight dunk rather than fine-tuning their fundamental skills, like dribbling, shooting, free throws, etc. Free throws especially are a matter of repetition.
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Bingo. Most coaches at that level are not doing free throw drills in practice, it's usually and end of practice thing if that. In order to improve you are required to get in te gym and work on it in your spare time, as you said repetition is the key. It's not the coaches responsibility IMO to improve your free throw shooting, he can tell you to, but to really improve you have to put the time in outside of practice.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Look a little deeper there Zan. Clearly, I meant practicing his free throws, not general basketball practice. Too many kids are practicing their next highlight dunk rather than fine-tuning their fundamental skills, like dribbling, shooting, free throws, etc. Free throws especially are a matter of repetition.
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I knew exactly what you meant. I look plenty deep enough. We're not talking about a kid shooting 60-65% from the line, which practice could fix. We're talking 40%. 40% from the line is usually not about reps.
 
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zansdad said:
I knew exactly what you meant. I look plenty deep enough. We're not talking about a kid shooting 60-65% from the line, which practice could fix. We're talking 40%. 40% from the line is usually not about reps.
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I think practicing free throws and repetition I free throws is basically the same thing. Jeronne maymon was a 25% free throw shooter last year, he practiced/got reps on his free throws all of season and shot upper 60's this year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think practicing free throws and repetition I free throws is basically the same thing. Jeronne maymon was a 25% free throw shooter last year, he practiced/got reps on his free throws all of season and shot upper 60's this year.
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My point is there is a difference between just getting up more shots and getting coaching. You can bet Maymon got some help on his form and technique and then he put in the time in the gym to make that work. However, had he just started shooting more FT's that probably wouldn't have helped. It's one thing to put up a bunch of extra FT's by yourself to go from a decent or good shooter to good or great. But when you're woefully bad (<50%) there is more at work than just numbers of shots you are getting up. And repeating the same bad form/bad habits won't increase your FT%. My original point was that a guy that plays as much as D1 prospects plays (practice/high school/pick up/AAU) and has decent form should be getting up enough shots that way to shoot >40% even without spending a lot of extra time working on FT's. (this doesn't necessarily apply to big men, but does to back court guys).
 
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zansdad said:
I knew exactly what you meant. I look plenty deep enough. We're not talking about a kid shooting 60-65% from the line, which practice could fix. We're talking 40%. 40% from the line is usually not about reps.
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Agree to disagree I guess. Don't be so defensive. I agree, technique could be a problem, but I can all but guarantee he spends little to no time on practicing his FTs. You can have terrible technique and still be a good FT shooter if you practice it enough.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Agree to disagree I guess. Don't be so defensive. I agree, technique could be a problem, but I can all but guarantee he spends little to no time on practicing his FTs. You can have terrible technique and still be a good FT shooter if you practice it enough.
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This.

Even the ugliest form from a guard can bring a 70% average if practiced enough.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Agree to disagree I guess. Don't be so defensive. I agree, technique could be a problem, but I can all but guarantee he spends little to no time on practicing his FTs. You can have terrible technique and still be a good FT shooter if you practice it enough.
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I agree he probably spends almost no time practicing. That was not my point. Anybody that plays a back court position is expected to be able to shoot a little and have a reasonable ability to dribble. Otherwise, how do they get on the floor in the first place? Thus, he should be able to hit more than 40% FT just based on that alone. I don't think you can argue that a kid who has decent form and can shoot well enough to play in the first place is going to shot sub 50%. And no, just practing over and over with bad form doesn't guarentee success. If it did coaches wouldn't harp on fundamentals the way they do. They would just go right to running plays.
 
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zansdad said:
I agree he probably spends almost no time practicing. That was not my point. Anybody that plays a back court position is expected to be able to shoot a little and have a reasonable ability to dribble. Otherwise, how do they get on the floor in the first place? Thus, he should be able to hit more than 40% FT just based on that alone. I don't think you can argue that a kid who has decent form and can shoot well enough to play in the first place is going to shot sub 50%. And no, just practing over and over with bad form doesn't guarentee success. If it did coaches wouldn't harp on fundamentals the way they do. They would just go right to running plays.
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I don't recall saying bad form with practice guaranteed success. However, there are many cases in which guys have had bad form, yet shot respectable numbers from the FT line. Bill Cartwright comes to mind. I know he did not play the guard position, but the point is the same; bad form, but effective shooter from the line.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I don't recall saying bad form with practice guaranteed success. However, there are many cases in which guys have had bad form, yet shot respectable numbers from the FT line. Bill Cartwright comes to mind. I know he did not play the guard position, but the point is the same; bad form, but effective shooter from the line.
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Then he would be an exception but usually bad form + practice= low percentage. Otherwise every one in the NBA would shoot 80%.
 
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