Nil, Revenue Sharing and Title IX

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A simple cost-benefit analysis looking at revenue generated from men’s sports compared to women’s sports should prove that paying male players more is not discriminatory.
 
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Only one way out if the schools want to avoid Title IX for the supersports.

Make them employees. Dispense with the act. If the purpose is no longer educational, but purely a for-profit commercial enterprise, then it wouldn’t be about opportunity anymore. Just money.

That will, of course, completely erase any semblance of “college” in major DI college football or college basketball. It will be ridiculously absurd. But hear tell, most people seem to think that doesn’t matter anyway.
 
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Before people lose their minds, this is nearly meaningless. It is just about money distributed directly by the universities. And obviously, that falls under title 9.

The money is going to get mostly driven through NIL collectives which won’t be privy to title 9.
 
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LWSVOL said:
www.sportico.com

NCAA Athlete NIL Pay Must Be Title IX Compliant, Dept. of Education Says

DoE's Office of Civil Rights has released its long-awaited guidance on Title IX and NIL, two weeks before House v. NCAA settlement objections are due.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com

this could change a lot of the landscape and further delay "fixing" all the problems with NIL and Portal.
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Man, this is gonna just muddy up everything that's going on today. $10M QB's may just disappear now----or the payments will go under the table again
 
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omghulkhands said:
Before people lose their minds, this is nearly meaningless. It is just about money distributed directly by the universities. And obviously, that falls under title 9.

The money is going to get mostly driven through NIL collectives which won’t be privy to title 9.
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That may be true some day but there is a $20+M dollar pot that’s going to be coming directly from the universities. Not one school was planning to decide that evenly. This has always been a key issue regarding Title IX and the payment from the schools. But the Bid Ed Dept isn’t going to decide this. And I imagine Trump led Ed is going to be more lenient on this issue. This will eventually go to the Supreme Court in time.
 
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Voltopia said:
Only one way out if the schools want to avoid Title IX for the supersports.

Make them employees. Dispense with the act. If the purpose is no longer educational, but purely a for-profit commercial enterprise, then it wouldn’t be about opportunity anymore. Just money.

That will, of course, completely erase any semblance of “college” in major DI college football or college basketball. It will be ridiculously absurd. But hear tell, most people seem to think that doesn’t matter anyway.
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You solve one problem but then create another. The tax exempt status of institutions that are funded with taxpayer money. You can’t be a non-profit educational institution and a for profit sports business entity at the same time. It’s going to take a while for all these issues to get sorted out and probably more lawsuits.
 
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Voltopia said:
Only one way out if the schools want to avoid Title IX for the supersports.

Make them employees. Dispense with the act. If the purpose is no longer educational, but purely a for-profit commercial enterprise, then it wouldn’t be about opportunity anymore. Just money.

That will, of course, completely erase any semblance of “college” in major DI college football or college basketball. It will be ridiculously absurd. But hear tell, most people seem to think that doesn’t matter anyway.
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becoming state employees has its own issues... it would likely have to be a separate entity not associated with universities at all. Both of which could be different from state to state based on the laws of each state. its one reason NIL is so convoluted, different state laws.
 
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LWSVOL said:
becoming state employees has its own issues... it would likely have to be a separate entity not associated with universities at all. Both of which could be different from state to state based on the laws of each state. its one reason NIL is so convoluted, different state laws.
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I could see them becoming detached from the schools at the SEC/B10 level and just becoming minor leagues for the NFL.
 
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UT97Vol said:
You solve one problem but then create another. The tax exempt status of institutions that are funded with taxpayer money. You can’t be a non-profit educational institution and a for profit sports business entity at the same time. It’s going to take a while for all these issues to get sorted out and probably more lawsuits.
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Exactly, this is just the beginning. They will get it figured out one day. And for folks complaining about title IX, do you have daughters? Also do you realize who started all the title IX stuff?
 
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LWSVOL said:
becoming state employees has its own issues... it would likely have to be a separate entity not associated with universities at all. Both of which could be different from state to state based on the laws of each state. its one reason NIL is so convoluted, different state laws.
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I agree that it would have a number of issue, but I also think that’s where it’s headed. Unfortunately, that’s also where it just doesn’t quite “work” anymore as a premise. People will try it though. It means too much to the communities and schools not to. A century of history for all kinds of people.

The only way college football survives with some form of college involvement is if Congress carves out a path the legislature can agree on. Not holding my breath.
 
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Not to make this even more political but just to ask, Title IX is enforced by the Department of Education which incoming President Trump said he would abolish.

Without the civil rights monitoring from the DoE, there's not an agency to monitor violations or even to receive reports of Title IX violations.

Again, not complaining or anything like that, just aware that the DoE may be on the chopping block and they're the Title IX stewards currently.
 
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I have zero understanding of labor laws, so please don’t kick me too hard. Here is my question: if we make athletes independent co tractors, do we have to adhere to title IX?
 
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loosecannon said:
I have zero understanding of labor laws, so please don’t kick me too hard. Here is my question: if we make athletes independent co tractors, do we have to adhere to title IX?
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To be an independent contractor, you have to meet a variety of requirements such as setting your own hours, providing any required tools/equipment, responsible for securing any training/certifications, etc.

No way an athlete could come close to being considered an independent contractor
 
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CAVPUT said:
Why? Equal opportunity is not the same as equal outcomes. Employees are paid according to their worth to the business/school.
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While Randy Boyd refuses a salary currently, lots of similar university presidents make about $1M per year.

Coach Josh Heupel makes $9M+, so I can assume Josh Heupel is worth more to UT (and the State of TN, actually) than any other employee?
 
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