NIL should be Performance based.

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Golfprovol said:
Who decides who plays? Who decides what is a good performance or a bad one? Does the coach get a say in PT or just the people paying NIL?
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No bro, it's similar to a professional contract, or any other contract for that matter. There is a "signing bonus" and some guaranteed money, or in the NIL case "upfront money". Then if the player stays and produces there is incentive based pay. Pretty simple really

...and there are provisions that protect the player, of course, but also the school and the "investor" so to speak ....
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
That's not entirely true. Not even remotely true as you're stating it
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It is true. Not all money is guaranteed. If a player is cut, they are not going to be paid they're big "contract". There are exceptions, but it's not the rule. I am discussing the NFL, of course, because all this is about football. No one up in this thread is talking about any other sport.
 
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NIL is already as performance based as it’s ever going to be. I’m not going to pay you to shill my product if I don’t think you have some visibility and that you’re going to increase my visibility. The more marquee the player, or in some cases simply the more charismatic the player, the bigger the contract. That’s why some gymnast at LSU with a social media following can make a gazillion bucks despite college gymnastics having a total TV viewership of like 12 people. Your performance is how many eyes you bring my business.

That’s just not the same thing as being directly paid money to play ball and having quantitative on-field metrics, which is what it sounds like this is getting confused with.
 
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NIL shouldn't be tied to the school at all...the athlete should have autonomy to sign with any business they choose to represent their NIL..the school should be hands off and scholarships should be half measures unless the athlete signs a binding contract for years and can negotiate 3 if they declare for professional sports, but then they should be responsible to pay back that 4th years of scholarship...decide to transfer...you pay back the scholarship to the school..
 
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madbamahater said:
It is true. Not all money is guaranteed. If a player is cut, they are not going to be paid they're big "contract". There are exceptions, but it's not the rule. I am discussing the NFL, of course, because all this is about football. No one up in this thread is talking about any other sport.
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In the basketball forum?
 
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madbamahater said:
It is true. Not all money is guaranteed. If a player is cut, they are not going to be paid they're big "contract". There are exceptions, but it's not the rule. I am discussing the NFL, of course, because all this is about football. No one up in this thread is talking about any other sport.
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I know how contracts work in the NFL. Often it is only guaranteed for a year, but guaranteed for that year. That's not the implication of the OP. NFL contracts are also incentive laden for many starters
 
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madbamahater said:
No bro, it's similar to a professional contract, or any other contract for that matter. There is a "signing bonus" and some guaranteed money, or in the NIL case "upfront money". Then if the player stays and produces there is incentive based pay. Pretty simple really

...and there are provisions that protect the player, of course, but also the school and the "investor" so to speak ....
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No Bro, the coach contols the PT. The problem that you refuse to see is the player has to produce in order to get paid, but said player does not control the amount of PT he gets. Are there specific stats that are needed to be paid? What is considered producing? How do you judge effort in regards to money?

Let's say you are a DB, and you are the better athlet and are paid the most but produce the least in practice. When the coach plays the other guy above you......LAWSUIT

Or let's say you tweak your ankle in practice and can only run about 90%, the coach sits you out the next game......LAWSUIT

If your contract is incentive based, what is gonna happen when you get benched at half time in a 70-0 game against Kent St.....LAWSUIT
 
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Golfprovol said:
No Bro, the coach contols the PT. The problem that you refuse to see is the player has to produce in order to get paid, but said player does not control the amount of PT he gets. Are there specific stats that are needed to be paid? What is considered producing? How do you judge effort in regards to money?

Let's say you are a DB, and you are the better athlet and are paid the most but produce the least in practice. When the coach plays the other guy above you......LAWSUIT

Or let's say you tweak your ankle in practice and can only run about 90%, the coach sits you out the next game......LAWSUIT

If your contract is incentive based, what is gonna happen when you get benched at half time in a 70-0 game against Kent St.....LAWSUIT
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Agreed. It’s hard for me to even begin to imagine that we are having these discussions. Who would have thought that college sports has come to all this? The mess that college sports has become is cataclysmic and distressing. Hoping here that things can get straightened out to some degree.

Shouldn‘t you be working on your takeaway instead of discussing Vol sports? 😂😂
 
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cardvolfan said:
Agreed. It’s hard for me to even begin to imagine that we are having these discussions. Who would have thought that college sports has come to all this? The mess that college sports has become is cataclysmic and distressing. Hoping here that things can get straightened out to some degree.

Shouldn‘t you be working on your takeaway instead of discussing Vol sports? 😂😂
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Haha, I hit balls three hours a day in the garage. Plus the events right now are out west and I always skip those. Off work until March for me!
 
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madbamahater said:
Well, in the pros a lot is not guaranteed, so they are paid based on performance. Also, if they suck, they are cut and not paid. Seems reasonable.
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Only in football are contracts not fully guaranteed. In basketball and baseball, they are fully guaranteed contracts, including when they are cut.
 
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madbamahater said:
It is true. Not all money is guaranteed. If a player is cut, they are not going to be paid they're big "contract". There are exceptions, but it's not the rule. I am discussing the NFL, of course, because all this is about football. No one up in this thread is talking about any other sport.
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Except we are in the basketball forum🤷‍♂️
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Should the same apply to professional athletes? Should State Farm be allowed to withhold money from Patrick Mahomes if the Chiefs lose and he performs poorly next week?
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Pat Mahomes likely does have performance incentives in his contract with the Chiefs, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if many athletes have some incentives in their sponsorship deals as well.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Pat Mahomes likely does have performance incentives in his contract with the Chiefs, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if many athletes have some incentives in their sponsorship deals as well.
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Bonus money guaranteed vs withholding money from a guaranteed contract. Not the same. Can't wait for the next thread with a dumb illegal idea.
 
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Defaultuser said:
Bonus money guaranteed vs withholding money from a guaranteed contract. Not the same. Can't wait for the next thread with a dumb illegal idea.
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Why would it be illegal to draw an NIL deal up based on incentives? You can’t go back on the original deal once it’s done, but for deals going forward, why not? We will pay you X dollars, no matter what. If you achieve this, we pay you X amount more. If you achieve that, we pay you Y amount more.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Why would it be illegal to draw an NIL deal up based on incentives? You can’t go back on the original deal once it’s done, but for deals going forward, why not? We will pay you X dollars, no matter what. If you achieve this, we pay you X amount more. If you achieve that, we pay you Y amount more.
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I see no problem with a contract written that way at all. Recognizes the variance in value of an athlete’s name, image and likeness based on specific milestones.

Maybe @DeerPark12 can weigh in on the matter. He works in sports contracts.
 
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HalfullVol said:
Base + commission =

Salary + performance incentives

Why not try
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this already exists....in the NBA NFL and MLB..... Ja Morant lost 7m in salary for the suspension.. but even more he lost 39 mil for missing all NBA that year (derrick rose rule). JJ lost out on a huge bonus for reaching 1000 yards because of an ejection. Prime got paid over 600k for winning 9 regular season games.

Performance-based contracts exist for coaches and players in pro sports already. But they come on top of a base salary. Basically you can take an incentive-laden contract with a lower base salary and bet on yourself... or take more guaranteed money. Most take the latter because it's the smart move in most cases. As mentioned as a player especially a young player or role player your coach would have way too much of your fate in his hands. If you are Lebron James you can sign a contract like that because they have to play you. If you are DK on that same team no way in the world... JJ Reddick could decide DK was in his dog house and ruin his career on a whim right now and no one (outside of Volnation) would make a stink. Because in the grand scheme he does not matter. Just like there is like 10 or 15 guys in pro sports with the pull of a Lebron the number of guys in college football like that are even rarer, especially with the portal. It seems like the players have ALL the power right now but that's because people are only paying attention to that side.

Coaches can also dump a whole unit and reload in the portal. Colorado did it with a whole team. UT did it with a whole secondary. Turnaround times are too fast in College sports for those types of contracts.. in the pros you can play the long game in college you have a very limited time and a lot more competition for that time. Do not listen to their sob stories. College coaches have power on a level no Pro coach ever will and can ruin a kids career way easier.
 
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