NIL Turmoil To Come

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WoodsmanVol said:
OK, in an age where corporations and other fat cats get away with exploiting people, you're OK, if say you have kids. And someone photos them and uses their pics in commercials. Making millions. And your kids being unable to benefit from the windfall? Now, before you say, oh that doesn't happen, here you go:
Exhibit A: $15.6M Award For Coffee 'Mug'

Now, it can be said no one forced the guy to drink Tasters Choice Coffee, so who cares if the company makes money using his image. I used to do photography (not that I was all that good at it) and I had to make sure my subjects signed a release form to legally use their image.

Exhibit B: When my wife was at the hospital for follow-up care and exams after a major surgery, she was asked if her blood and related samples could be used for study and research purposes. She conferred with me, and I suggested if no clause was in the form about compensation for revenue earned from the outcome of the studies, don't sign it. The nurses and a doctor, yep there was more than just one, said, "No matter, we have the samples anyway." They further advised they do the same with her DNA too.

Why did I tell my wife to not sign the form? Because I knew the Typhoid Mary case. Over decades on top of decades, enormous money has been made from the vaccines for that disease, but Mary never realized a penny from the value of her samples. Further, she was involuntarily confined, and rightly so to prevent further spreading of a dangerous killer disease. However, her overall mistreatment were based on the following:
Mary Mallon, and her treatment at the hands of the health authorities, was different. She was a woman, she was an immigrant (anti-Irish bigotry was rampant at the time), she was from the lower working class and was uneducated, she was unmarried and had no family. It's what fat cats do, exploit, exploit, and exploit. Then make excuses such as, no one forced you to.....
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I get what you are saying and I think companies selling information from tracking you online saying you gave implied consent is a good example, curious though as someone who played in travel baseball tournaments, as a child, that charged an admissions fee or high school football games for example, should the athletes get a portion of those ticket sales or should they not be allowed to charge an entrance fee to those events?
 
#28
#28
JoAllan said:
You guys realize this will glaring affects on non money sports……..right?

precedent……yes that’s where is “could become really bad.

If somehow every athlete could sue for past damages…….where did a lot of this revenue go? Many schools “could” be forced to cancel sports programs which eat a lot of money yet don’t create money.
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Unintended consequences... One of the reasons I was against openly paying players. But this is where we are and how do we move forward from here.
 
#29
#29
This is a not good for sports. This will not only destroy some smaller programs and give rise to super programs and super conferences, but will create another NFL. The NFL has been ruined in my opinion. It has become a platform for grandstanding political ideologies. I just don't get any enjoyment out of it anymore. The passion is lost when it becomes a business for the players. College football has always been a sport that you can just watch and enjoy without the nonsense. For all of it's faults, the NCAA has done a good job of keeping the political garbage out of the sport. The further we go down this road, the more this becomes just another NFL. How long do you think it takes before someone sues to allow players to be allowed to go to the NFL at a younger age? Think about the effects of that on college football.
 
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#30
Speaking of NIL. Where is good source to get info on all of UT's (players) NIL info? Would like to be able to buy UT gear associated with players.
 
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CincinnatiVols said:
I get what you are saying and I think companies selling information from tracking you online saying you gave implied consent is a good example, curious though as someone who played in travel baseball tournaments, as a child, that charged an admissions fee or high school football games for example, should the athletes get a portion of those ticket sales or should they not be allowed to charge an entrance fee to those events?
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This is not the same as what I mention. I'm talking about making money from selling your likeness and image whether you like it or not, and without compensation. And with the examples I gave, there is no implied consent, impunity, and even arrogance in case of my wife no when consent was requested. Ticket sells have no relation to what I'm referring. The H.S. kids aren't put into commercials, posters, and other marketing events for big time cash.
 
#32
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CincinnatiVols said:
Would you look at that, it’s almost like every time people say something is a slippery slope everyone dismisses them and then you turn around and there next move is exactly what you warned about.
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The female is an Oregon Bball player...the OP got her confused with the AZ male swimmer.

Seems appropriate to the times we live in? :p
 
#33
#33
Raebo said:
I could be mistaken but I think it was the female basketball player a couple years ago who complained that the exercise equipment at one of the tournament sites was not as good as the men’s exercise equipment.
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yes
 
#34
#34
WoodsmanVol said:
This is not the same as what I mention. I'm talking about making money from selling your likeness and image whether you like it or not, and without compensation. And with the examples I gave, there is no implied consent, impunity, and even arrogance in case of my wife no when consent was requested. Ticket sells have no relation to what I'm referring. The H.S. kids aren't put into commercials, posters, and other marketing events for big time cash.
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How is ticket sales to a game any different than TV rights? Both are selling the ability to watch the art of a student who is not being compensated.
 
#35
#35
CincinnatiVols said:
How is ticket sales to a game any different than TV rights? Both are selling the ability to watch the art of a student who is not being compensated.
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IT's Ok, we are talking about two different things. As a Gordon Dickson's character would say, "Water be with you, strength be with you."
 
#36
#36
WoodsmanVol said:
OK, in an age where corporations and other fat cats get away with exploiting people, you're OK, if say you have kids. And someone photos them and uses their pics in commercials. Making millions. And your kids being unable to benefit from the windfall? Now, before you say, oh that doesn't happen, here you go:
Exhibit A: $15.6M Award For Coffee 'Mug'

Now, it can be said no one forced the guy to drink Tasters Choice Coffee, so who cares if the company makes money using his image. I used to do photography (not that I was all that good at it) and I had to make sure my subjects signed a release form to legally use their image.

Exhibit B: When my wife was at the hospital for follow-up care and exams after a major surgery, she was asked if her blood and related samples could be used for study and research purposes. She conferred with me, and I suggested if no clause was in the form about compensation for revenue earned from the outcome of the studies, don't sign it. The nurses and a doctor, yep there was more than just one, said, "No matter, we have the samples anyway." They further advised they do the same with her DNA too.

Why did I tell my wife to not sign the form? Because I knew the Typhoid Mary case. Over decades on top of decades, enormous money has been made from the vaccines for that disease, but Mary never realized a penny from the value of her samples. Further, she was involuntarily confined, and rightly so to prevent further spreading of a dangerous killer disease. However, her overall mistreatment were based on the following:
Mary Mallon, and her treatment at the hands of the health authorities, was different. She was a woman, she was an immigrant (anti-Irish bigotry was rampant at the time), she was from the lower working class and was uneducated, she was unmarried and had no family. It's what fat cats do, exploit, exploit, and exploit. Then make excuses such as, no one forced you to.....
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But then there's always this...
December 4th - From riches to rags in 4 years . . . - InGrace with Jim Scudder, Jr.
 
#37
#37
JimboVol said:
But then there's always this...
December 4th - From riches to rags in 4 years . . . - InGrace with Jim Scudder, Jr.
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Church source? I don't give such sources much credence or attention. Too biased for one thing. But, let's say it's true, it shows how greed (by either side) goes hand in hand with capitalism. You can always count on human dishonesty and greed to muck up any system, no matter what its original intent was meant to be. And that includes the grand dame of exploitation.
 
#38
#38
WoodsmanVol said:
Church source? I don't give such sources much credence or attention. Too biased for one thing. But, let's say it's true, it shows how greed (by either side) goes hand in hand with capitalism. You can always count on human dishonesty and greed to muck up any system, no matter what its original intent was meant to be. And that includes the grand dame of exploitation.
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Not disagreeing in any way with what you are saying, just checking the information that you put out there for us to look at...
And it appears that it was a bad choice, that's all

I say, the kids deserve everything they can get
 
#39
#39
JimboVol said:
Not disagreeing in any way with what you are saying, just checking the information that you put out there for us to look at...
And it appears that it was a bad choice, that's all
I say, the kids deserve everything they can get
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Probably a bad choice on my part, the websites' appearances look different. But the real point is, exploitation occurs, so I'm in the corner of players getting a share of the pie they have a major role in helping to bake.
 
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