No Bump, BTW

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Muschump said:
Fair enough. Should we really be diminishing the Elite 8 now, too? I mean, yea one upset on paper. Doesn't really matter. If they played on paper we'd have 4 number 1s in the FF every year. Every game won in the tourney is a big deal, upset or not.
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It's a big deal, but it doesn't guarantee future success.
 
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Shouldn't the recruiting gotten better, theoretically, after a 1 and done?

Just thinking out loud here.
 
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Muschump said:
Actually, yes there is a question.

Auburn isn't nationally relevant. Period. The End.

The TV deal and PTI didn't make UT relevant, Bruce Pearl did. The End.
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If you don't think that national TV appearances greatly enhances your program, including recruiting, I have nothing else to say to you. Pearl did help get us more appearances, but the contract greatly enhanced basketball for the entire conference. KY is really the only nationally relevant program in our conference, for that matter, but the TV contract enhances all conference schools in trying to become a national program.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yea, he went .500 against Cal at Memphis. Lucked up and beat Kansas at home while getting absolutely destroyed by Kansas in Lawrence. The Pitt game was one of the best played games of his tenure. I agree on that one.
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Please, don't play the luck card. That team should have been beaten by 30 against Kansas with six scholarship players. If you want to call it fortunate, that's fine, but don't throw luck out there. That's a cop-out. As they say, luck is where preperation and opportunity meet. Pearl had that team prepared, they played their hearts out, they outhustled Kansas in every phase, and they won the game.

Luck would have been Kansas' starting five getting the stomach bug the night before and still needing Brian Williams to hit a full-court shot at the end to tie it while getting fouled and needing to hit the free throw for the win. That would have been luck.
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tvolsfan said:
Way to try to prop up Tennessee by comparing them to Auburn. Really proves a lot.
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That wasn't the point bro.

The point was the tv deal had little to nothing to do with our national relevance, or UT being "on the map." Which is what got this mind-numbingly dumb argument started. Have a good weekend boys.
 
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Muschump said:
That wasn't the point bro.

The point was the tv deal had little to nothing to do with our national relevance, or UT being "on the map." Which is what got this mind-numbingly dumb argument started. Have a good weekend boys.
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So what are you even arguing?

You've said we weren't relevant before, weren't relevant with Pearl, and aren't relevant now, but somehow we're screwed without him?
 
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cncchris33 said:
If you want to call it fortunate, that's fine, but don't throw luck out there. That's a cop-out. ]
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It's all he knows how to do.

Beat Kansas cause of luck.

Got to elite 8 because we only had to pull off one upset.

Bruce Pearl didn't put UT on the map, PTI and a TV contract did. (Still don't know why that TV contract didn't help Auburn become relevant)

Deny. Deny. Deny. It helps him sleep better.
 
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tvolsfan said:
So what are you even arguing?

You've said we weren't relevant before, weren't relevant with Pearl, and aren't relevant now, but somehow we're screwed without him?
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No. I said we weren't relevant, but would have become so if Pearl would have stayed. Even though he did put us on the map nationally. And it had zilch to do with a TV contract and a lot more to do with his personality and winning ball games.
 
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And you're right, this is a stupid argument. What are we comparing it to, the Buzz Peterson years?
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not so sure.

From the moment he got here until the moment UT upset Memphis to take over the number 1 spot, it seemed like UT was steadily becoming great.

Since then, I haven't seen much to think greatness was coming.
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That's about the time that the actual "basketball players" were graduating, and the "athletes" started arriving. My biggest beef with Pearl was his obsession with athleticism versus basketball skill.
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Muschump said:
It's all he knows how to do.

Beat Kansas cause of luck.

Got to elite 8 because we only had to pull off one upset.

Bruce Pearl didn't put UT on the map, PTI and a TV contract did. (Still don't know why that TV contract didn't help Auburn become relevant)

Deny. Deny. Deny. It helps him sleep better.[/QUOTE]

Spoken from the King of denial.
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Muschump said:
And we all know what happened last year (and still made the tourney).
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I don't really understand why Pearl would be lauded for last season. In a single season he put a huge black-eye on himself, the program, and the university. On top of that his team underperformed more than any team in the country. They played a terrible brand of basketball, lost 15 games with losses to Oakland, C of C, USC, Miss. St., and Arkansas, and just decided to quit in an NCAA Tourney game.

Great job there.
 
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volwarrior33 said:
I don't really understand why Pearl would be lauded for last season. In a single season he put a huge black-eye on himself, the program, and the university. On top of that his team underperformed more than any team in the country. They played a terrible brand of basketball, lost 15 games with losses to Oakland, C of C, USC, Miss. St., and Arkansas, and just decided to quit in an NCAA Tourney game.

Great job there.
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I'm not so sure they underperformed. I'm just not convinced they were very good, which goes back to recruiting, so it's still on Bruce. Terrible guard play, zero team chemistry, total misuse of Tobias Harris, playing Tatum and Hopson together, etc. It was all a mess, and almost every team they lost to had better guard play. That includes Indianapolis in the preseason.

I would be remiss to not mention the NCAA uncertainty as well, but I question the actual talent from last years team as well. Athletic as all get-out, but questionable decision-making from key players at the end of games and a lack of general basketball skill and fundamentals seemed to bury this team at times.
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BelAirVol said:
Yes I know. UT had national relevance from the late 60s until the mid 80s. ARe you old enough to remember it?
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Not the 60's, buy the great basketball teams of the 80's were really great, right. You realize that was 30-50 years ago, don't you? Ut had no national relevance from @ '85- Bruce pearl era as far as network nationally televised regular season games. Period.
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LawVol13 said:
Exactly. But, there's really no point in arguing with pl3. If you say anything other than Bruce Pearl was the sole source of bringing increased exposure, then somehow you're wrong and not being objective. Then he'll completely contradict previous statements and pretend he meant something else all along.
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You're right school boy. Give me lessons, please. 20 something know it all kids are funny. Little names like failmer and pearlophile are so cute. Let's all namecall and make up bull**** to support an opinion.
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pl3 said:
Not the 60's, buy the great basketball teams of the 80's were really great, right. You realize that was 30-50 years ago, don't you? Ut had no national relevance from @ '85- Bruce pearl era as far as network nationally televised regular season games. Period.
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We also had an athletic director that hated basketball.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not so sure.

From the moment he got here until the moment UT upset Memphis to take over the number 1 spot, it seemed like UT was steadily becoming great.

Since then, I haven't seen much to think greatness was coming.
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That why they were on primetime tv against pitt, nova and uconn last year. Just like bama, aub, lsu, ark, ole miss and miss st, right?
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pl3 said:
That why they were on primetime tv against pitt, nova and uconn last year. Just like bama, aub, lsu, ark, ole miss and miss st, right?
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You realize your response had nothing to do with the post you quoted, right?
 
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