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#26
#26
LawVol13 said:
In his absence, we played McBee 25 minutes. I'm not a huge fan at all of Hopson's game, but he's about like Kobe Bryant compared to McBee.
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McBee hit 3 3 pointers. I'd say that's what Hopson would have had best case scenario. McBee also had a couple of turnovers, which Hopson definitely gets. McBee pulled in 6 rebounds, which I doubt Hopson would have gotten. Sorry, but Hopson isn't a stat stuffer.

Of course he is much better player than McBee is, but he's basically a scorer only, and other guys picked up the slack. He doesn't make us 20 points better.
 
#27
#27
SeanJean said:
Why? What does Hopson do that would require changing the defense? Sorry, I disagree. I think the zone today would have eaten Hopson alive. He's just not that dynamic of a player on offense.
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I understand what you're trying to say but consider these two things:

First, in games with hopson, we use the lineup of trae mcbee bone pearl and williams around 5 minutes a game. Without hopson, we are forced to use this lineup over twice as much as usual. There is not one person in that lineup that can drive to the basket. Even when hopson is off he can take it to the basket.

Secondly, in my opinion Scotty has been more consistent from three lately than anyone else. I think he could have made the same amount of threes as mcbee with less shots today and ran better fast breaks
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#29
#29
SeanJean said:
McBee hit 3 3 pointers. I'd say that's what Hopson would have had best case scenario. McBee also had a couple of turnovers, which Hopson definitely gets. McBee pulled in 6 rebounds, which I doubt Hopson would have gotten. Sorry, but Hopson isn't a stat stuffer.

Of course he is much better player than McBee is, but he's basically a scorer only, and other guys picked up the slack. He doesn't make us 20 points better.
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Hopson changes how the defense guards us. Nobody pays attention to McBee. They'll live with him going 3-8, which was a fluke compared to what he's been doing. Their entire plan would have been around stopping Hopson and Harris had he played. It would have been a different game.
 
#30
#30
lbrjohn3 said:
I understand what you're trying to say but consider these two things:

First, in games with hopson, we use the lineup of trae mcbee bone pearl and williams around 5 minutes a game. Without hopson, we are forced to use this lineup over twice as much as usual. There is not one person in that lineup that can drive to the basket. Even when hopson is off he can take it to the basket.

Secondly, in my opinion Scotty has been more consistent from three lately than anyone else. I think he could have made the same amount of threes as mcbee with less shots today and ran better fast breaks
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I agree. Hopson is a good 3 point shooter when he's open. I don't think that changes the outcome of this game though.

Where I think he might have helped was free throw shooting down the stretch. He's been better there lately, and that's where I think he may have been the difference. That's good for a few points and maybe we win. We don't blow Bama out because Hopson plays though.
 
#31
#31
LawVol13 said:
Hopson changes how the defense guards us. Nobody pays attention to McBee. They'll live with him going 3-8, which was a fluke compared to what he's been doing. Their entire plan would have been around stopping Hopson and Harris had he played. It would have been a different game.
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The only difference would be that instead of Tatum getting the ball on the perimeter it would have been Hopson, and Tatum is a lot better off the dribble than Hopson is. He gets to the foul line a lot and usually loose the ball dribbling. Sorry, but I respectfully disagree.
 
#32
#32
SeanJean said:
The only difference would be that instead of Tatum getting the ball on the perimeter it would have been Hopson, and Tatum is a lot better off the dribble than Hopson is. He gets to the foul line a lot and usually loose the ball dribbling. Sorry, but I respectfully disagree.
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If you don't think the way they played defense wouldn't be different with Hopson in the game rather than McBee, I really don't know what to say to you. I promise you their defensive gameplan would have been significantly different if Hopson was on the floor.
 
#33
#33
LawVol13 said:
Hopson changes how the defense guards us. Nobody pays attention to McBee. They'll live with him going 3-8, which was a fluke compared to what he's been doing. Their entire plan would have been around stopping Hopson and Harris had he played. It would have been a different game.
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I agree. Other coaches do not think like people on volnation. They don't go " oh well hopson dribbles off his knee a lot and pouts when he misses. So let's just play a regular ole defense." Coaches gameplan for him and Harris because they are the beat players.
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#35
#35
LawVol13 said:
If you don't think the way they played defense wouldn't be different with Hopson in the game rather than McBee, I really don't know what to say to you. I promise you their defensive gameplan would have been significantly different if Hopson was on the floor.
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How? Tell me.
 
#36
#36
SeanJean said:
I agree. Hopson is a good 3 point shooter when he's open. I don't think that changes the outcome of this game though.

Where I think he might have helped was free throw shooting down the stretch. He's been better there lately, and that's where I think he may have been the difference. That's good for a few points and maybe we win. We don't blow Bama out because Hopson plays though.
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I haven't said we would blow them out with hopson. They have a tough defense and it would have probably been a pretty close game regardless. He just has more to offer in a game than mcbee and bone.
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#37
#37
lbrjohn3 said:
I haven't said we would blow them out with hopson. They have a tough defense and it would have probably been a pretty close game regardless. He just has more to offer in a game than mcbee and bone.
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I wasn't speaking to you in particular, but many were saying we win by 10 with Hopson.
 
#38
#38
SeanJean said:
How? Tell me.
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1) When they were in man, there would have been no help off of Hopson, which would open driving lines for Cam, Goins, etc.

2.) When they were in zone, they would shade Hopson's side opening up the lane for someone to flash and get an easy shot.

3.) The last play in regulation when we went to Harris would have occurred completely different. They would have never dropped off Hopson to double Harris, so he would have been able to go one on one with the guy instead of Goins shooting a 35 footer.

You want any more examples?
 
#39
#39
LawVol13 said:
1) When they were in man, there would have been no help off of Hopson, which would open driving lines for Cam, Goins, etc.

2.) When they were in zone, they would shade Hopson's side opening up the lane for someone to flash and get an easy shot.

3.) The last play in regulation when we went to Harris would have occurred completely different. They would have never dropped off Hopson to double Harris, so he would have been able to go one on one with the guy instead of Goins shooting a 35 footer.

You want any more examples?
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1) How much did they play man? The first 3 minutes of the game? Also Cam did just fine driving to the basket, and Goins never drives successfully. Ever.

2) This never happens. No one attacks the zone on our team and gets the ball in the lane.

3) I might be with you on this one play. That makes sense. That being said, I don't think Harris gets the ball there if Hopson is in the game. Hopson probably does.

As for the other two though I think you are giving our halfcourt offense way too much credit. It's not good enough to exploit those things. I see what you're saying, but I don't think it goes down like that. Just my two cents. I've watched the other 20 games with Hopson and those things don't happen very often nor does our halfcourt offense look much different.
 
#40
#40
SeanJean said:
1) How much did they play man? The first 3 minutes of the game? Also Cam did just fine driving to the basket, and Goins never drives successfully. Ever.
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Even though I didn't "see" it, the announcers said that Alabama started zone then switched to man. When they switched we couldn't make a shot and they went on a run. Dame thing happened with under 10 minutes left in the second half. We were on a run, they switched back to man, they retook the lead and went up by about 6.
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#41
#41
1.) They played significant stretches of man in the second half. Also, their zone would have been played significantly different had Hopson been in there. We would also been able to penetrate it much easier.

2.) And yes, we actually do attack the zone. It's one of the areas we've actually improved offensively.

3.) At the end of the day, it's McBee or Hopson. Come on, man.
 
#42
#42
I'm with you on #3, and i don't mean to sound like I think we aren't better with Hopson. I know we are. I'm just not convinced we are that much better.

Ok dinner time for me. I hope we look better against the mildcats. GBO.
 
#43
#43
SeanJean said:
How? Tell me.
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You sound like a moron trying to say the game would have been the same if hopson had played. If you can't see that, I don't know what to say. Mcbee is not the same player hopson is, bottom line.
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#44
#44
LawVol13 said:
Hopson changes how the defense guards us. Nobody pays attention to McBee. They'll live with him going 3-8, which was a fluke compared to what he's been doing. Their entire plan would have been around stopping Hopson and Harris had he played. It would have been a different game.
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This. I was trying to convey this point; well said.
 
#45
#45
SeanJean said:
Do you think Hopson would have had his own ball out there? He would have just taken away the points that Tatum, Harris, and McBee had. Hopson isn't some offensive juggernaut that can't be stopped.
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Pretty sure if Scotty plays we win that game in regulation. Either way, poor coaching and play regardless
 
#46
#46
SeanJean said:
McBee hit 3 3 pointers. I'd say that's what Hopson would have had best case scenario. McBee also had a couple of turnovers, which Hopson definitely gets. McBee pulled in 6 rebounds, which I doubt Hopson would have gotten. Sorry, but Hopson isn't a stat stuffer.

Of course he is much better player than McBee is, but he's basically a scorer only, and other guys picked up the slack. He doesn't make us 20 points better.
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He didn't need to make us 20 points better to win today. He needed to make us 1 point better.
 
#47
#47
Geez.
How many points did he score AT Alabama ? We lost there.
No one knows what he would have done. If he had played, someone else may not have played as well as they did. Or he might not have played his "Normal" game. We might have won. Or we might have lost in regulation.

Sort of a moot point.
 
#48
#48
kw7pd4 said:
Geez.
How many points did he score AT Alabama ? We lost there.
No one knows what he would have done. If he had played, someone else may not have played as well as they did. Or he might not have played his "Normal" game. We might have won. Or we might have lost in regulation.

Sort of a moot point.
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Great use of the word "moot". I haven't seen that since I was studying for the GRE.

And a solid post. I agree.
 
#50
#50
Truth said:
I believe in your case it's the "GED".
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Why would you make that assumption? I've had a high school degree for 4 years. I took the GRE last October, ya dingus.

Just because you had to get a GED, it doesn't mean everyone had to get one.
 
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