No OU/TX in SEC until 2025

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Texas and OU ADs saying each will do the "honorable thing" and stay until July 1, 2025. Truth is Big 12 is holding the feet of OU/TX to the fire for the $70million exit fee. Texas has it to pay, OU doesnt. So we wont be seeing these two until 2025 football season.

Its always about the money.
 
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I'm surprised, but kinda not. If OU comes in during a "rebuild" (and they are in a rebuild) and starts getting curb stomped, their recruiting goes down that much more making the transition even harder without becoming the Missouri of the west.

Somewhat similar for Texas, though they seem to be coming back a little faster than OU.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I gotcha. I’m really not concerned about him. Personally, I can’t wait to kick Texas ass.
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I would be concerned that if Texas was playing Tennessee that he would come out with Anti Tennessee comments and it wouldn't be a good thing.
 
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Jeff Clark said:
I figure it might be a bad situation but then again i'm a very nervous nelly at times.;)
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I don’t think the Manning’s are built that way. I don’t know why Arch would have any animosity towards us. If anything he didn’t give us the time of day. He’s probably wishing he could go back and see what we’re all about now.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm surprised, but kinda not. If OU comes in during a "rebuild" (and they are in a rebuild) and starts getting curb stomped, their recruiting goes down that much more making the transition even harder without becoming the Missouri of the west.

Somewhat similar for Texas, though they seem to be coming back a little faster than OU.
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OU will never be the Missouri of the west. Historically dominant program, any resource you could imagine, and close to extremely fertile recruiting areas.

I don't know if Venables is a good HC or not, but people who are already writing him off as a disaster seem to be forgetting that their roster was absolutely gutted after Riley left. It isn't all that dissimilar from Tennessee last year, except for some reason OU's expectations this year were really high compared to Tennessee's last year.

They should still not be losing by 7 TDs to Texas (I think that speaks to some give-up internally more than anything else), but they are not a great team this season. And honestly, the Red River Rivalry was the only game where they looked atrocious. K State is not a bad team and has given OU trouble for the last few seasons, and TCU is good. The TCU game should have been closer but I wasn't surprised OU lost those games.
 
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05_never_again said:
OU will never be the Missouri of the west. Historically dominant program, any resource you could imagine, and close to extremely fertile recruiting areas.

I don't know if Venables is a good HC or not, but people who are already writing him off as a disaster seem to be forgetting that their roster was absolutely gutted after Riley left. It isn't all that dissimilar from Tennessee last year, except for some reason OU's expectations this year were really high compared to Tennessee's last year.

They should still not be losing by 7 TDs to Texas (I think that speaks to some give-up internally more than anything else), but they are not a great team this season. And honestly, the Red River Rivalry was the only game where they looked atrocious. K State is not a bad team and has given OU trouble for the last few seasons, and TCU is good. The TCU game should have been closer but I wasn't surprised OU lost those games.
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Tongue in cheek about Mizzou... kind of. Maybe Ole Miss would have been a better analogy. Historically solid program that has years of greatness and down years as well.

But I do feel they have a couple of years of rebuilding underway. They have to hit the ground running to be competitive. You get behind on recruiting in the SEC and it's hard to recover from that. Plenty of SEC teams like us, UF and others can attest to what happens when you have a single year of crap recruiting.
 
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wmcovol said:
Texas and OU ADs saying each will do the "honorable thing" and stay until July 1, 2025. Truth is Big 12 is holding the feet of OU/TX to the fire for the $70million exit fee. Texas has it to pay, OU doesnt. So we wont be seeing these two until 2025 football season.

Its always about the money.
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Yeah. I'd be afraid if I were Texas or Oklahoma too.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Tongue in cheek about Mizzou... kind of. Maybe Ole Miss would have been a better analogy. Historically solid program that has years of greatness and down years as well.

But I do feel they have a couple of years of rebuilding underway. They have to hit the ground running to be competitive. You get behind on recruiting in the SEC and it's hard to recover from that. Plenty of SEC teams like us, UF and others can attest to what happens when you have a single year of crap recruiting.
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OU is a way better program with more resources than Ole Miss too though. OU is probably one of the 4 or 5 most accomplished programs of all-time.

They aren't immune from experiencing some kind of down period, and a botched coaching hire combined with entering the SEC could very well cause one. They were not a great program between the departure of Switzer and hiring of Bob Stoops, and that lasted 10+ years. Their ceiling during those years was 8/9 wins.
 
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05_never_again said:
OU is a way better program with more resources than Ole Miss too though. OU is probably one of the 4 or 5 most accomplished programs of all-time.

They aren't immune from experiencing some kind of down period, and a botched coaching hire combined with entering the SEC could very well cause one. They were not a great program between the departure of Switzer and hiring of Bob Stoops, and that lasted 10+ years. Their ceiling during those years was 8/9 wins.
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Of course, conference losses are going to be far more plentiful once Oklahoma and Texas enter the SEC conference. There are no Kansas States to play in the SEC. Of course, Oklahoma might be happy to hear that.
 
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05_never_again said:
OU is a way better program with more resources than Ole Miss too though. OU is probably one of the 4 or 5 most accomplished programs of all-time.

They aren't immune from experiencing some kind of down period, and a botched coaching hire combined with entering the SEC could very well cause one. They were not a great program between the departure of Switzer and hiring of Bob Stoops, and that lasted 10+ years. Their ceiling during those years was 8/9 wins.
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And you could say they had rough patches between Wilkinson and Fairbanks as well as Owen and Wilkinson minus a couple of years.

The point being of they came into the SEC next year or the year after, the recovery time would be longer if they faced a strong SEC schedule and maybe only go 7-5 or perhaps 8-4. Recruits are going to go where they get noticed and where they have a chance of playing on Sunday. While they do have a top 10 class projected, how many more losses does OU get before those recruits start looking elsewhere for playing time and coaching?
 
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Jeff Clark said:
I wish their entrances into the SEC could be delayed until 2028 so we don't see Arch Manning
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He’s gonna get slaughtered. I’d rather see him than Mullet Ewers. That guy can avoid the rush. If Arch is anything like his uncles, then he’s gonna be a statue in the pocket. That doesn’t work well in the SEC unless you are Bama, and even they and Jawja realized they needed a QB with some mobility to win consistently. We’ll deal with Arch just like we did with Eli… with a swift kick to the nuts.

Nico is better anyway.
 
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perico said:
He’s gonna get slaughtered. I’d rather see him than Mullet Ewers. That guy can avoid the rush. If Arch is anything like his uncles, then he’s gonna be a statue in the pocket. That doesn’t work well in the SEC unless you are Bama, and even they and Jawja realized they needed a QB with some mobility to win consistently. We’ll deal with Arch just like we did with Eli… with a swift kick to the nuts.

Nico is better anyway.
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Evers has 1more year. He’ll be pro in ‘24
 
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Grand Vol said:
Tongue in cheek about Mizzou... kind of. Maybe Ole Miss would have been a better analogy. Historically solid program that has years of greatness and down years as well.

But I do feel they have a couple of years of rebuilding underway. They have to hit the ground running to be competitive. You get behind on recruiting in the SEC and it's hard to recover from that. Plenty of SEC teams like us, UF and others can attest to what happens when you have a single year of crap recruiting.
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They aren’t in the same universe as Ole Miss either. OU may be an also-ran when they join the conference, but if they put it together in terms of coaching and recruiting they will join us, Bama, and UGA in the top tier of the SEC.

We have just proven that top ten all time programs not located in Lincoln, NE can be tanked for a while, even a very long while, but it’s just a matter of getting the right coach and admin in place and the cream can rise to the top very quickly. UF, UGA, and LSU are fairly comparable over the last 30 years, but in the great scheme of college football history, Oklahoma is on another level than every SEC program outside of UT and Alabama.

This doesn’t mean they won’t fare poorly once they get in the conference, but the potential to turn it around will always be there.
 
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