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alwaysavol

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After watching USC and Notre Dame, I know that those are two big league teams and there is no SEC school out there that can hang with those guys. The SEC is as strong as the Big 10, PAC 10, and ACC but all those conferences have at least one team that will spank the SEC's finest. It's pretty sad when an overrated, easy schedule Georgia team and an overperforming Vanderbilt were basically competing for the East lead tonight. Just like FSU, GA will be exposed at some point. I will say though that both GA's and Vandy's coaches are getting more out of their players than anyone else in the East including teams with better overall talent....like Tennessee!
 
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Originally posted by alwaysavol@Oct 16, 2005 12:27 AM
After watching USC and Notre Dame, I know that those are two big league teams and there is no SEC school out there that can hang with those guys.
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I can't tell you how wrong I think you are.
 
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i wouldnt say that the sec and pac-10 are at the same level. aside from usc, the majority of those teams could be beat by sec schools.
 
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You must be kidding me! Please...tell me who you think from the SEC could hang with USC or even Notre Dame! I love the South and the SEC but some of us are delusional when it comes to how good this conference is especially this year. Remember, USC manhandled Auburn in 02 and 03 and a struggling ND beat TN in Knoxville last year. Oh and what about USC's annihilation of the Razorbacks earlier in the season. I know AR is a subpar team but no one in this league has put up 70 points against them! Let's also remember that highly regarded LSU barely squeaked by Oregon St. last year and Arizona St. this year and both those teams are middle of the road in the PAC 10.
 
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I'm not one of these people who thinks that all football outside the SEC is inferior, but at the same time, I don't necessarily think USC and Notre Dame are on the verge of joining the NFL either. With the parity that exists in college football today, I think you can throw a blanket over the top 20 teams and depending on where they play and who is healthy they've all got a chance.
 
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USC is very beatable ,on a good day.When the chips were down they became very fatigued and THUNGISH.Cheap shots left and right,they have become soft and expect to win,but this may be a wake up call for them. :twocents:
 
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Originally posted by alwaysavol@Oct 15, 2005 11:27 PM
After watching USC and Notre Dame, I know that those are two big league teams and there is no SEC school out there that can hang with those guys. The SEC is as strong as the Big 10, PAC 10, and ACC but all those conferences have at least one team that will spank the SEC's finest. It's pretty sad when an overrated, easy schedule Georgia team and an overperforming Vanderbilt were basically competing for the East lead tonight. Just like FSU, GA will be exposed at some point. I will say though that both GA's and Vandy's coaches are getting more out of their players than anyone else in the East including teams with better overall talent....like Tennessee!
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Well, Notre Dame is on Tennessee's schedule later on this year. Let's see what happens then, alwaysavol. Where did that handle come from?
 
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The play of each conference just depends...

The Big Ten doesn't really have a single defined great team, either. In fact, the Big 12 and the Pac-10 are the only two conferences I can think of with a real big standout team. One might be able to make a case for Virginia Tech in the ACC, but that's debatable.

Each conference has its own distinct characteristics that makes them different. LSU, a team generally considered to be among the best in the SEC, has barely gotten by two moderate-to-decent Pac-10 teams these last couple seasons, only by the skin of their teeth and by the grace of God. While I like to rag on you guys about it, does it make the SEC any better/worse than the Pac-10? No.

Anyways... Yes, I'd say the SEC is on a bit of a slump. Spurrier (of old) and Saban. Fulmer and Richt are still around in the East, but both coaches seem to underachieve more often than not. Plus offensive ineptness seems to be around the conference like a viral disease this season. Somebody, please get this conference some decent QB's!
 
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While I agree that the SEC is amid a mild slump as far as power rank across the board, I have a real hard time believeing that if USC is a member of the SEC they go undefeated. we have Miss state, Kentucky, and Vandy as scrimmage material, of those 3 you could lose players to injury as they all are 1st half teams that play hard 30 minutes, if at home and especially if theres an emotional slant to the game where in the SEC there usually is. Then you have S Carolina, Ole Miss, and Arkansas which are IMO a step above the prior 3 in that by coaching or player talent their harder to beat. Then you have the top teams in the SEC to go through. IMO what the Vols did in 98 is far and away harder than what USC has done. In short you put all the teams of the PAC-10 and the SEC in separate hats and pull 1 team from each at a time, determining playoff opponents between the two conferences and Id be shocked that the SEC wouldnt win 70% of the games if not more. :twocents:
 
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well said dan4vols. USC has been on a roll and yes they are playing tough (and lucky) but, ND gave them all they wanted last night. I agree with your scenario, I would be surprised if we didn't win 70% also.

GO VOLS BEAT BAMA
 
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I'm not sooooo sure that the horrible offensive numbers have been created by bad offenses or by mediocre offenses playing outstanding defenses. UGA, UT, LSU, 'Bama, and even UF have been touted as having "one of the best defenses in the country". Dunno.
 
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all I know is if we lose to Bama then we can look forward to getting our a$$es handed to us by ND. They were 7 seconds away from beating one of the best offenses ever in college football, I doubt they will have a rough time with RS and co.
They're a perfect example of what can happen when you get some fresh ideas and a good coaching staff. They have basically the same team as last year and look what they have done.
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Oct 16, 2005 2:34 PM
all I know is if we lose to Bama then we can look forward to getting our a$$es handed to us by ND. They were 7 seconds away from beating one of the best offenses ever in college football, I doubt they will have a rough time with RS and co.
They're a perfect example of what can happen when you get some fresh ideas and a good coaching staff. They have basically the same team as last year and look what they have done.
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You are right. That QB sneak says it all about USC as well. I mean can you imagine the balls that took. No doubt that our staff, in the very same circumstances would have rolled out the special teams, and gotten the tying field goal blocked.

ND is a perfect example of what new offensive blood can do with arugably mediocre talent. Also remember that Cut was supposed to be on staff at ND.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 16, 2005 3:39 PM
ND is a perfect example of what new offensive blood can do with arugably mediocre talent.  Also remember that Cut was supposed to be on staff at ND.
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I agree but Weiss is not just new offensive blood. He is great at what he does. If ND got someone who was average, then that's what they would be.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 16, 2005 3:09 PM
I agree but Weiss is not just new offensive blood.  He is great at what he does.  If ND got someone who was average, then that's what they would be.
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What does that tell you about Cut?
 
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I think that Weiss wanted Cut at ND to work with the QB's over anything. Cut would've been the OC, but I'm fairly confident that Weiss would still be calling the plays.
 
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I prefer new blood, and don't think there is a snowballs chance that Cut will come back, but I am not so quick to discount the work that he did to develope UT QBs.

When you bring up RS everybody always says that he just hasn't had the same talent. I point to Heath Shuler, who was a Ktown hero, but was simply not good enough to play in the NFL. Cut made him extrodinary under his tutolege (sp).

Andy Kelly was pretty darn good as well, and finally Eli went to Ole Miss for the same development that his big bro recieved. All this to say Cut made good with the talent he had, and developed it.

I cannot imagine what Cut could do for Ainge, or Crompton for that matter. You also have to believe, if he were here, Clausen would be holding the clipboard.
 
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agreed..

Cut wasnt hired to be the OC-
"Cutcliffe, 51, had signed on to be Weis' quarterbacks coach in the offseason after being fired at Ole Miss."
This might sound really stupid, but in a way I kind of hope we lose 2-3 more games. That way everyone will be forced to look at the situation and figure out why things are going so poorly. After 4+ of our players go to the NFL, no one can say its a lack of talent, so the only thing left to look at is the coaching staff. Maybe someone will force CPF's hand?
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Oct 16, 2005 6:41 PM
This might sound really stupid, but in a way I kind of hope we lose 2-3 more games. That way everyone will be forced to look at the situation and figure out why things are going so poorly.
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I understand what you are saying . . . but you're right . . . it sounds pretty stupid. :D
 
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Originally posted by alwaysavol@Oct 15, 2005 11:27 PM
After watching USC and Notre Dame, I know that those are two big league teams and there is no SEC school out there that can hang with those guys. The SEC is as strong as the Big 10, PAC 10, and ACC but all those conferences have at least one team that will spank the SEC's finest. It's pretty sad when an overrated, easy schedule Georgia team and an overperforming Vanderbilt were basically competing for the East lead tonight. Just like FSU, GA will be exposed at some point. I will say though that both GA's and Vandy's coaches are getting more out of their players than anyone else in the East including teams with better overall talent....like Tennessee!
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usc might be able to win the sec but for them to go through
a tough sec ga.al.au.tn.fl.lsu. would make it very hard

why?? injuries my friend, playing in the sec is brutal.
 
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i was wondering, if we are close to being on this topic if anyone has the clip of ND defense knocking the hell out of a USC reciever in the middle if the field. If you saw the game you know what im talking about, the hit gave me chills. By far the most devistating hit i have seen this year.
 
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Notre Dame lost to Michigan State a middle of the road team in the Big 10.

USC had to come from behind (just like LSU) to beat Arizona State.

The SEC currently has 2 teams in the top 5, 3 teams in the top 10, and 6 teams in the top 25.

Tennessee was leading Notre Dame last season until the starting quarterback was injured.

Every year that the SEC is distrespected when it comes to the national title game, the SEC usually comes out on top. LSU over Oklahoma, Tennessee over Florida State, Florida over Florida State, Alabama over Miami. Matter of fact, you have to go back to 2000 to find a loss in the BCS by an SEC team. The SEC is 7-3 all-time in BCS bowl games.

 
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Originally posted by alwaysavol@Oct 15, 2005 11:53 PM
a struggling ND beat TN in Knoxville last year.
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I'd have to say that if USC or ND lost their first and second string QB's, they'd both be in trouble, too. Tennessee had that game won until lightning struck our shoulder again.

I was thinking the same thing that allvol posted. The SEC gets no respect when it comes BCS time, and we seem to fare extremely well in the postseason when given the chance. Auburn was robbed last year, and I would have LOVED to watch them run all over USC.
 
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Auburn was robbed of 1 thing,given the opportunity theyd probably have given USC a better game , maybe won. But Auburn decided to go the cheap route and not cover the expenses to get bowling green...probably a big reason why the strength of schedule factor was dropped :question:
 
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You are entitled to your opinion. But, I completely disagree with your assesment. What did you see in that ballgame that signified nobody in the SEC could hang with them? Tell me what about USC's defense makes you think it is better than Alabama, LSU, or UT? Nothing, because all three of them have a better defense. Is USC offense better than all three of those schools? Yes. Does that mean its automatic that they win? No. USC playing any of those three schools would have a better offense and a worse defense. Special teams would play a major role (which would not be good for UT). LSU would be very capable of beating USC if they did not shoot themselves in the foot with TO's. And, if Alabama played USC later this year I would actually pick Alabama to win that game. USC has almost lost 4 games this year. No SEC team could beat them? I disagree.
 
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