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th2421 said:
Update after the last two night's games (adding record against the projected 3-seeds in the H2H results):

Tennessee: 18-6 record, #11 NET, #4 NET SOS, 3-6 Q1, 5-0 Q2, 3.3 pts. average loss, 0-1 H2H (with games at Kentucky and vs. Ole Miss remaining)
Oklahoma: 18-6 record, #16 NET, #6 NET SOS, 4-6 Q1, 1-0 Q2, 13 pts. average loss, 2-1 H2H
NC State: 20-4 record, #19 NET, #26 NET SOS, 4-4 Q1, 3-0 Q2, 10.3 pts. average loss, 1-1 H2H (with games at UNC and at Georgia Tech remaining)
Kentucky: 19-4 record, #20 NET, #28 NET SOS, 4-3 Q1, 4-1 Q2, 13 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H (with game vs. Tennessee remaining)
Georgia Tech: 20-5 record, #26 NET, #62 NET SOS, 1-3 Q1, 6-2 Q2, 9.4 pts. average loss, 1-0 H2H (with game vs. NC State remaining)
Maryland: 19-6 record, #28 NET, #10 NET SOS, 4-4 Q1, 3-2 Q2, 14.5 pts. average loss, 1-1 H2H (with game vs. Ohio State remaining)
Ole Miss: 17-7 record, #12 NET, #14 NET SOS, 4-6 Q1, 1-1 Q2, 6.1 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H (with game at Tennessee remaining)
Michigan State: 19-5 record, #21 NET, #52 NET SOS, 3-4 Q1, 3-1 Q2, 8 pts. average loss, 0-1 H2H (with game at Ohio State remaining)

Adding the current projected 3 seeds to the mix:

TCU: 23-3 record, #9 NET, #55 NET SOS, 5-3 Q1, 1-0 Q2, 14.3 pts. average loss, 1-1 H2H
North Carolina: 22-4 record, #14 NET, #35 NET SOS, 3-2 Q1, 7-2 Q2, 7.3 pts. average loss, 1-1 H2H (with game vs. NC State remaining)
Kansas State: 23-3 record, #7 NET, #73 NET SOS, 2-2 Q1, 6-1 Q2, 17 pts. average loss, 1-0 H2H
Ohio State: 20-3 record, #15 NET, #44 NET SOS, 2-2 Q1, 7-0 Q2, 12.3 pts. average loss, 0-0 H2H (with games vs. Michigan St. and at Maryland remaining)

TCU and Kansas St. both still have to play Baylor and WVU - would be great for them to pick up some losses there. Ohio State has a tough final stretch and UNC seems likely to lose at least one or two more, too. If we win out and/or make noise in the SECT we'll be in a really good position to get a 3 seed.
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Latest resumes from the projected 3-5 seeds, adding in neutral/road records and significant wins/losses since those came up in the committee's top 16 reveal:

3 seeds:
North Carolina: 25-4 record, #15 NET, #36 NET SOS, 5-3 Q1, 6-1 Q2, 4-1 neutral, 9-0 record, 9-1 last 10, 7.3 pts. average loss, 2-0 H2H (with game at Duke remaining), best win: #8 Duke, worst loss: #28 Georgia Tech
NC State: 22-5 record, #17 NET, #7 NET SOS, 6-5 Q1, 3-0 Q2, 1-2 neutral, 6-3 road, 9-1 last 10, 8.4 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H, best win: #4 Notre Dame, worst loss: #40 Cal
Duke: 21-7 record, #8 NET, #15 NET SOS, 4-5 Q1, 6-2 Q2, 2-0 neutral, 7-6 road, 7-3 last 10, 8.7 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. UNC remaining), best win: #7 Kansas St., worst loss: #66 USF
Kentucky: 21-5 record, #22 NET, #30 NET SOS, 4-4 Q1, 4-0 Q2, 2-0 neutral, 6-3 road, 6-4 last 10, 11.8 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. Tenn remaining), best win: #14 Oklahoma, worst loss: #101 TAMU

4 seeds:
Tennessee: 21-6 record, #11 NET, #4 NET SOS, 6-6 Q1, 4-0 Q2, 3-0 neutral, 5-3 road, 6-4 last 10, 3.3 pts. average loss, 2-1 H2H (with game at Kentucky remaining), best win: #1 UConn, worst loss: #25 Vanderbilt
Ohio State: 22-4 record, #18 NET, #48 NET SOS, 2-3 Q1, 8-0 Q2 (and 3-1 Q3), 3-0 neutral, 6-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 11.8 pts. average loss, 0-0 H2H (with game vs. Michigan St. remaining), best win: #26 Michigan, worst loss: #82 Penn State
Kansas State: 25-4 record, #7 NET, #72 NET SOS, 2-3 Q1, 3-1 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 6-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 16 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H, best win: #9 TCU, #65 Colorado
Oklahoma: 21-6 record, #14 NET, #16 NET SOS, 5-6 Q1, 2-0 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 7-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 13 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. Alabama remaining), best win: #11 Tennessee, worst loss: #34 Mississippi State

5 seeds:
West Virginia: 21-6 record, #13 NET, #68 NET SOS, 2-4 Q1, 1-2 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 7-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 10.5 pts. average loss, 1-1 H2H, best win: #7 Kansas State, worst loss: #65 Colorado
Alabama: 22-6 record, #16 NET, #32 NET SOS, 4-6 Q1, 3-0 Q2, 4-0 neutral, 6-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 14.2 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game at Oklahoma remaining), best win: #12 Ole Miss, worst loss: #40 California
Ole Miss: 18-8 record, #12 NET, #17 NET SOS, 4-7 Q1, 2-0 Q2, 1-2 neutral, 6-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 6.5 pts. average loss, 1-4 H2H, best win: #22 Kentucky, worst loss: #101 TAMU
Michigan State: 20-7 record, #21 NET, #31 NET SOS, 3-5 Q1, 4-2 Q2, 3-1 neutral, 5-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 7.7 pts. average loss, 0-1 H2H (with game at Ohio State remaining), best win: #25 Vanderbilt, worst loss: #41 Nebraska

Barring a disaster against Georgia or in our opening round SEC tournament game, I'd say we're hosting. The games at Kentucky and the SEC tournament quarterfinal games will determine whether we can get up to that 3-seed line. I'd say we're there right now (I'd put us above Kentucky for sure and maybe Duke as well). Of all these teams, we have the best NET SOS, tied best for most Q1 wins (with Duke), have the closest losses, the best overall win, and the least bad worst loss.
 
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glv98 said:
If we beat KY, we just need Bama to lose one since we have tieb over them. They will lose to LSU.

Even if we beat KY we need OK to lose to both bama and fla since they have tb. They'll almost certainly finish 4th.

And after all the drama, the finish will be almost exactly as predicted preseason.
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We have 6 losses. If OU loses to Bama and Bama loses to LSU, they both have 6 losses. If Kentucky loses to TN and South Carolina, they have 6 losses. In that 4 way tie, Tennessee and KY are 2-1 against that group. Bama and Oklahoma would be 1-2. Then it goes back to head to head between us and KY for the 4th seed and we get the 4th spot. Basically boils down to us beating Ky, Bama beating Oklahoma and the big 3 at the top taking care of business. Not that far fetched.
 
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th2421 said:
Latest resumes from the projected 3-5 seeds, adding in neutral/road records and significant wins/losses since those came up in the committee's top 16 reveal:

3 seeds:
North Carolina: 25-4 record, #15 NET, #36 NET SOS, 5-3 Q1, 6-1 Q2, 4-1 neutral, 9-0 record, 9-1 last 10, 7.3 pts. average loss, 2-0 H2H (with game at Duke remaining), best win: #8 Duke, worst loss: #28 Georgia Tech
NC State: 22-5 record, #17 NET, #7 NET SOS, 6-5 Q1, 3-0 Q2, 1-2 neutral, 6-3 road, 9-1 last 10, 8.4 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H, best win: #4 Notre Dame, worst loss: #40 Cal
Duke: 21-7 record, #8 NET, #15 NET SOS, 4-5 Q1, 6-2 Q2, 2-0 neutral, 7-6 road, 7-3 last 10, 8.7 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. UNC remaining), best win: #7 Kansas St., worst loss: #66 USF
Kentucky: 21-5 record, #22 NET, #30 NET SOS, 4-4 Q1, 4-0 Q2, 2-0 neutral, 6-3 road, 6-4 last 10, 11.8 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. Tenn remaining), best win: #14 Oklahoma, worst loss: #101 TAMU

4 seeds:
Tennessee: 21-6 record, #11 NET, #4 NET SOS, 6-6 Q1, 4-0 Q2, 3-0 neutral, 5-3 road, 6-4 last 10, 3.3 pts. average loss, 2-1 H2H (with game at Kentucky remaining), best win: #1 UConn, worst loss: #25 Vanderbilt
Ohio State: 22-4 record, #18 NET, #48 NET SOS, 2-3 Q1, 8-0 Q2 (and 3-1 Q3), 3-0 neutral, 6-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 11.8 pts. average loss, 0-0 H2H (with game vs. Michigan St. remaining), best win: #26 Michigan, worst loss: #82 Penn State
Kansas State: 25-4 record, #7 NET, #72 NET SOS, 2-3 Q1, 3-1 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 6-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 16 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H, best win: #9 TCU, #65 Colorado
Oklahoma: 21-6 record, #14 NET, #16 NET SOS, 5-6 Q1, 2-0 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 7-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 13 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. Alabama remaining), best win: #11 Tennessee, worst loss: #34 Mississippi State

5 seeds:
West Virginia: 21-6 record, #13 NET, #68 NET SOS, 2-4 Q1, 1-2 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 7-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 10.5 pts. average loss, 1-1 H2H, best win: #7 Kansas State, worst loss: #65 Colorado
Alabama: 22-6 record, #16 NET, #32 NET SOS, 4-6 Q1, 3-0 Q2, 4-0 neutral, 6-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 14.2 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game at Oklahoma remaining), best win: #12 Ole Miss, worst loss: #40 California
Ole Miss: 18-8 record, #12 NET, #17 NET SOS, 4-7 Q1, 2-0 Q2, 1-2 neutral, 6-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 6.5 pts. average loss, 1-4 H2H, best win: #22 Kentucky, worst loss: #101 TAMU
Michigan State: 20-7 record, #21 NET, #31 NET SOS, 3-5 Q1, 4-2 Q2, 3-1 neutral, 5-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 7.7 pts. average loss, 0-1 H2H (with game at Ohio State remaining), best win: #25 Vanderbilt, worst loss: #41 Nebraska

Barring a disaster against Georgia or in our opening round SEC tournament game, I'd say we're hosting. The games at Kentucky and the SEC tournament quarterfinal games will determine whether we can get up to that 3-seed line. I'd say we're there right now (I'd put us above Kentucky for sure and maybe Duke as well). Of all these teams, we have the best NET SOS, tied best for most Q1 wins (with Duke), have the closest losses, the best overall win, and the least bad worst loss.
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Always appreciate how detailed and thorough your posts are!
 
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th2421 said:
Latest resumes from the projected 3-5 seeds, adding in neutral/road records and significant wins/losses since those came up in the committee's top 16 reveal:

3 seeds:
North Carolina: 25-4 record, #15 NET, #36 NET SOS, 5-3 Q1, 6-1 Q2, 4-1 neutral, 9-0 record, 9-1 last 10, 7.3 pts. average loss, 2-0 H2H (with game at Duke remaining), best win: #8 Duke, worst loss: #28 Georgia Tech
NC State: 22-5 record, #17 NET, #7 NET SOS, 6-5 Q1, 3-0 Q2, 1-2 neutral, 6-3 road, 9-1 last 10, 8.4 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H, best win: #4 Notre Dame, worst loss: #40 Cal
Duke: 21-7 record, #8 NET, #15 NET SOS, 4-5 Q1, 6-2 Q2, 2-0 neutral, 7-6 road, 7-3 last 10, 8.7 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. UNC remaining), best win: #7 Kansas St., worst loss: #66 USF
Kentucky: 21-5 record, #22 NET, #30 NET SOS, 4-4 Q1, 4-0 Q2, 2-0 neutral, 6-3 road, 6-4 last 10, 11.8 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. Tenn remaining), best win: #14 Oklahoma, worst loss: #101 TAMU

4 seeds:
Tennessee: 21-6 record, #11 NET, #4 NET SOS, 6-6 Q1, 4-0 Q2, 3-0 neutral, 5-3 road, 6-4 last 10, 3.3 pts. average loss, 2-1 H2H (with game at Kentucky remaining), best win: #1 UConn, worst loss: #25 Vanderbilt
Ohio State: 22-4 record, #18 NET, #48 NET SOS, 2-3 Q1, 8-0 Q2 (and 3-1 Q3), 3-0 neutral, 6-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 11.8 pts. average loss, 0-0 H2H (with game vs. Michigan St. remaining), best win: #26 Michigan, worst loss: #82 Penn State
Kansas State: 25-4 record, #7 NET, #72 NET SOS, 2-3 Q1, 3-1 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 6-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 16 pts. average loss, 1-2 H2H, best win: #9 TCU, #65 Colorado
Oklahoma: 21-6 record, #14 NET, #16 NET SOS, 5-6 Q1, 2-0 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 7-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 13 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game vs. Alabama remaining), best win: #11 Tennessee, worst loss: #34 Mississippi State

5 seeds:
West Virginia: 21-6 record, #13 NET, #68 NET SOS, 2-4 Q1, 1-2 Q2, 2-1 neutral, 7-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 10.5 pts. average loss, 1-1 H2H, best win: #7 Kansas State, worst loss: #65 Colorado
Alabama: 22-6 record, #16 NET, #32 NET SOS, 4-6 Q1, 3-0 Q2, 4-0 neutral, 6-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 14.2 pts. average loss, 2-2 H2H (with game at Oklahoma remaining), best win: #12 Ole Miss, worst loss: #40 California
Ole Miss: 18-8 record, #12 NET, #17 NET SOS, 4-7 Q1, 2-0 Q2, 1-2 neutral, 6-3 road, 7-3 last 10, 6.5 pts. average loss, 1-4 H2H, best win: #22 Kentucky, worst loss: #101 TAMU
Michigan State: 20-7 record, #21 NET, #31 NET SOS, 3-5 Q1, 4-2 Q2, 3-1 neutral, 5-4 road, 6-4 last 10, 7.7 pts. average loss, 0-1 H2H (with game at Ohio State remaining), best win: #25 Vanderbilt, worst loss: #41 Nebraska

Barring a disaster against Georgia or in our opening round SEC tournament game, I'd say we're hosting. The games at Kentucky and the SEC tournament quarterfinal games will determine whether we can get up to that 3-seed line. I'd say we're there right now (I'd put us above Kentucky for sure and maybe Duke as well). Of all these teams, we have the best NET SOS, tied best for most Q1 wins (with Duke), have the closest losses, the best overall win, and the least bad worst loss.
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Good insight, thx for the leg work, agree on most of this analysis.
 
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popvol said:
We have 6 losses. If OU loses to Bama and Bama loses to LSU, they both have 6 losses. If Kentucky loses to TN and South Carolina, they have 6 losses. In that 4 way tie, Tennessee and KY are 2-1 against that group. Bama and Oklahoma would be 1-2. Then it goes back to head to head between us and KY for the 4th seed and we get the 4th spot. Basically boils down to us beating Ky, Bama beating Oklahoma and the big 3 at the top taking care of business. Not that far fetched.
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Still burns me, I feel like we were robbed of the Vandy game. Wouldn't mind meeting Oklahoma again after the growth of Spearman and others. GLV 💥
 
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popvol said:
We have 6 losses. If OU loses to Bama and Bama loses to LSU, they both have 6 losses. If Kentucky loses to TN and South Carolina, they have 6 losses. In that 4 way tie, Tennessee and KY are 2-1 against that group. Bama and Oklahoma would be 1-2. Then it goes back to head to head between us and KY for the 4th seed and we get the 4th spot. Basically boils down to us beating Ky, Bama beating Oklahoma and the big 3 at the top taking care of business. Not that far fetched.
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More than likely, Oklahoma wins out putting them at 4th place at 11-5. Let's say Bama and Miss both lose out, they both drop to 9-7. If we win out and Kentucky loses out, we tie each other at 5th place 10-6, with Bama and Miss tied for 7th at 9-7. If we lose to KY, and KY loses to SC, and Bama/Miss both lose out the season, we'll be in a three-way tie for 6th at 9-7 with KY and OU tied at 4th place at 11-5. Key is two of the currently 5th place 9-5 schools need to lose both of their remaining games.

Alot of ifs involved, but the fun kind of ifs.
 
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maple said:
AP for this week is out ... ND tumbles down to #3. NC St jumps up to 9. Texas and UCLA both move up spots to be #1 and #2, respectively.

UConn holds at #5, LVs are now at #11.

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This has been a really fun season! So many good players!
 
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Lucy said:
This has been a really fun season! So many good players!
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Yes, lots of great games and lots of parity. For the first time ever I truly think any team in the top 15 net could have a chance at the natty. Nobody is really running away with it like usual.

Of course there are the perennial favorites, but even they have shown some chinks in the armor this season.
 
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popvol said:
We have 6 losses. If OU loses to Bama and Bama loses to LSU, they both have 6 losses. If Kentucky loses to TN and South Carolina, they have 6 losses. In that 4 way tie, Tennessee and KY are 2-1 against that group. Bama and Oklahoma would be 1-2. Then it goes back to head to head between us and KY for the 4th seed and we get the 4th spot. Basically boils down to us beating Ky, Bama beating Oklahoma and the big 3 at the top taking care of business. Not that far fetched.
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OK has the tieb w us. So even if we win out and end w 6 losses, they'd have to lose both remaining games and have 7 losses to finish behind us. They'd have to lose to both Bama and FLA. Pretty sure they clinch 4th by beating FLA Thurs no matter what happens in KY.
 
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glv98 said:
OK has the tieb w us. So even if we win out and end w 6 losses, they'd have to lose both remaining games and have 7 losses to finish behind us. They'd have to lose to both Bama and FLA. Pretty sure they clinch 4th by beating FLA Thurs no matter what happens in KY.
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Disagree. If Oklahoma loses to Bama and we beat Ky, then it's a 4 way tie, not just us and Oklahoma. The tiebreaker then involves all 4 teams not just Tn and Oklahoma. In that case, Oklahoma beat us, lost to Ky and Bama and are one win and two losses. Bama will have beaten Ok but lost to Tn and KY, thus, one win and 2 losses. Ky has beaten OK and Bama but would have lost to us meaning 2 two wins and one loss. Tn would have lost to Ok and have beaten Bama and Ky making us two wins and one loss. Fourth place would be determined between Tn and KY at 2 and 1 and we won the head to head nd KY would be fifth. Bama would then get the sixth seed by beating OK which would be seeded 7th.
 
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glv98 said:
OK has the tieb w us. So even if we win out and end w 6 losses, they'd have to lose both remaining games and have 7 losses to finish behind us. They'd have to lose to both Bama and FLA. Pretty sure they clinch 4th by beating FLA Thurs no matter what happens in KY.
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I am confused. OU only wins the tiebreaker if it is a two-way tie. I agree that if we are counting on them losing two more, extremely unlikely. I actually think the 4 way tie proposed by Popvol is more likely though still will take some sweet fortune. I didn't fact check, but Popvol spells out a reasonable scenario for it to happen. The most at risk games are Lady Vols at UK and Bama at OU. I am therefore not sure why then it will be essential for OU to beat Florida???
 
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LV renaissance said:
I am confused. OU only wins the tiebreaker if it is a two-way tie. I agree that if we are counting on them losing two more, extremely unlikely. I actually think the 4 way tie proposed by Popvol is more likely though still will take some sweet fortune. I didn't fact check, but Popvol spells out a reasonable scenario for it to happen. The most at risk games are Lady Vols at UK and Bama at OU. I am therefore not sure why then it will be essential for OU to beat Florida???
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LOL now I'm confused. I thought it was impossible to finish behind a team who had the same # of losses but you beat head to head. Thought that was always the tiebreaker . Maybe not.

What I meant by OK clinching 4th by beating FLA is based on that head to head tb w us. But that is wrong, it would only lock us out against OK. OK still would have to worry about KY getting 4th since KY has the tiebreak over them.

KY is 10-4 and has games against us and So Car. OK is 9-5 w games against FLA and Bama. OK needs to win out and have KY lose both to get 4th. I didn't realize KY had that tieb. Gives them even more to play for against us. If they beat us, they could still lose to SC, end 11-5 and beat out OK for the double bye even if OK wins out.
 
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Be honest posters when Tennessee meets Georgia for Senior Day, if the LVs go into halftime with a score of 20-16 against the Bulldogs what would be the reaction of the fanbase?
Texas is playing Georgia tonight and while watching this game if this is the #1 team then Tennessee can win the SEC and National Championships in year 1 of the Coach Caldwell era.
Coach Caldwell knows this and that’s why she’s coaching this #11 ranked team in the country to continue to get better every week.
 
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glv98 said:
LOL now I'm confused. I thought it was impossible to finish behind a team who had the same # of losses but you beat head to head. Thought that was always the tiebreaker . Maybe not.

What I meant by OK clinching 4th by beating FLA is based on that head to head tb w us. But that is wrong, it would only lock us out against OK. OK still would have to worry about KY getting 4th since KY has the tiebreak over them.

KY is 10-4 and has games against us and So Car. OK is 9-5 w games against FLA and Bama. OK needs to win out and have KY lose both to get 4th. I didn't realize KY had that tieb. Gives them even more to play for against us. If they beat us, they could still lose to SC, end 11-5 and beat out OK for the double bye even if OK wins out.
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According to the Southeastern Conference site,
When more than two teams tie in the Southeastern Conference (SEC) women's basketball standings, the tiebreakers are:

Three-Team Tie (or more)​

When three or more teams are tied, the following procedure will be used in the following order until the tie is broken. If two teams re- main tied after a tiebreaker provision, the two-team tiebreaker formula will be used.

  1. Best winning percentage of games played among the tied teams.
  2. If two teams remain tied after the first tie-breaker, then the winner of the head to head matchup would prevail. (UT would be 4th seed if the popvol scenario prevails). Go scenario 🙏
 
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The #1 team in WBB and tied for 1st in the SEC Texas has 27 points in the 3rd qtr against Georgia.
It’s comical to focus on the standings and conference tourney seeding of teams at this point.
It’s wide open.
 
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We better be ready when we play them too. They may not be able to score a lick, but UGA defense is stingy lately.

Definitely think Coach Abe gets one more season with her good recruiting class coming in.
 
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