North Korean defectors story.

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I think we throw the terms communist and socialist around far too easily. I even have to catch myself sometimes. We need to come up with better language and stop borrowing from old Cold War clichés.
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It's really a definition game - that's the way social scientists work - otherwise they'd have no jobs because there would be no semantics games to play. For me communists are fascists - they argue they aren't because they defined "fascists" as being the other guys. I generally see socialism as communism-lite ... people who simply haven't made the full transformation to a dictatorship. As was pointed out earlier the Scandinavian countries that everybody likes to point to as examples of successful "socialism" are white, capitalist, and they have a work ethic and other ethical beliefs that make it work. Semi-socialism can work if you have an essentially homogeneous, capitalist, non-moocher population. I saw a wonderful side of Sweden several years ago; it's hard to say how the influx of immigrants may be taking a toll on that.
 
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KB5252 said:
Norway isn't socialist in the classical sense. They have a very open and free economic system. I'm not sure their model works on our scale.
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It can't. We are too diverse and with a large moocher population. Their "socialism" works because they work - not you work so I can take. They also pay significant portions of income in taxes believing their representatives will spend it well - we know damn well our representatives won't spend our taxes wisely. Scandinavians also take education more seriously across the board.
 
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AM64 said:
It's really a definition game - that's the way social scientists work - otherwise they'd have no jobs because there would be no semantics games to play.
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How do you describe the American system, as it is in 2020?
 
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The hyperbole in this thread is pretty hilarious. You bozos are actually trying to equate the DPRKs dictatorship with people wanting universal healthcare. 😂

You guys toss words like 'socialism', 'communism' and 'fascism' around without having any idea of what they truly mean in practice. Buzzwords for the simple minded.

Dumbest thread of 2020.
 
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KB5252 said:
Norway isn't socialist in the classical sense. They have a very open and free economic system. I'm not sure their model works on our scale.
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Anyone using Norway as an example knows it's not possible to compare the dichotomy of their country and ours and think they are remotely the same.
 
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Septic said:
The hyperbole in this thread is pretty hilarious. You bozos are actually trying to equate the DPRKs dictatorship with people wanting universal healthcare. 😂

You guys toss words like 'socialism', 'communism' and 'fascism' around without having any idea of what they truly mean in practice. Buzzwords for the simple minded.

Dumbest thread of 2020.
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Can you show me a country in modern times or past that was purely 100 percent either socialist, communist, or capitalist without atleast some portion of its makeup bleeding over into another economic sector or the entire structure actually not being what it proclaims to be at all?
 
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NEO said:
Can you show me a country in modern times or past that was purely 100 percent either socialist, communist, or capitalist without atleast some portion of its makeup bleeding over into another economic sector or the entire structure actually not being what it proclaims to be at all?
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No, what's your point? The op is looking to create a slippery slope argument that some socialist aspects will result in a full transformation. Are you selling that narrative too?
 
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Septic said:
No, what's your point? The op is looking to create a slippery slope argument that some socialist aspects will result in a full transformation. Are you selling that narrative too?
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Then we are not debating the pure term of the classical meaning but the real world application of said term as it has been applied throughout history.

I personally do believe that society dumbs down to the most common denominator and the cream rises and that no matter what the economic structure is thd rich will always be rich and the poor will always be poor.
 
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Septic said:
No, what's your point? The op is looking to create a slippery slope argument that some socialist aspects will result in a full transformation. Are you selling that narrative too?
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Depends on the populace. Reasonable people in a relatively homogeneous population can handle the temptation. Countries with large numbers of disproportionately poor - Russia, Cuba, China, etc won't resist because they see the prospect of a better life. They just don't realize until the takeover just how badly they screwed up that one revenge fueled decision.
 
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Septic said:
No, what's your point? The op is looking to create a slippery slope argument that some socialist aspects will result in a full transformation. Are you selling that narrative too?
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Then we are not debating the pure term of the classical meaning but the real world application of said term as it has been applied throughout history.

I personally do believe that society dumbs down to the most common denominator and the cream rises and that no matter what the economic structure is thd rich will always be rich and the poor will always be poor.
 
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BigO95 said:
You may be crippled to high for crutches
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Just find it funny how many posters on here celebrate trump while in the same breath bash socialism. In particular the way they denounce it like you did. One poster said yesterday they have zero tolerance for it. Really zero? Because clearly many of you have plenty of tolerance for it.
 
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All the libs that want to move to Norway, I say we fund their trip and after 27 to 73 years they can come back and tell us about it.
 
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NK is not socialist nor communist. The Government spends almost nothing on its people. They have little to spend and what they do have goes to the Military and Government elites. The people totally fend for themselves and famine is common.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I watched 3 hours of documentaries on North Korea over the weekend spanning the 3 family rulers. A common theme of communism is a propaganda message in the media and the lack of free speech.
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We're halfway there
 
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Hunerwadel said:
NK is not socialist nor communist. The Government spends almost nothing on its people. They have little to spend and what they do have goes to the Military and Government elites. The people totally fend for themselves and famine is common.
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communism and socialism ultimately lead to a dictatorship where goods and services are controlled by a handful of people.

Everyone gets hung up on currency when debating capitalism vs socialism but in reality currency has little to do with it. The issue comes down to goods and services and who controls them.

Having debt does not immediately lump something, such as a country, into socialism no more that a business having debt does.

Preferred stockholders do not cause a business that IPOd to suddenly be socialist.

The issue here is that having universal healthcare removes the competition of goods and services and places the control squarely into the hands of a select few.

Health care should be able to cross state lines and be more open for competition to come in, not the reverse.

If taking on debt as a country promotes an increase in GDP then technically this is no different than a business taking out a loan to invest in R&D.

If people viewed our country as a business and the constitution as its articles of incorporation I think it would help many see things more clearly.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
NK is not socialist nor communist. The Government spends almost nothing on its people. They have little to spend and what they do have goes to the Military and Government elites. The people totally fend for themselves and famine is common.
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