Not everyone is cut out to be a Power 5 HC

[ThreatLevelOrange]

We hired Dooley, Jones, and Pruitt. And none of them will ever be a Power 5 HC again.

Now, you’re in year 5 of Scott Frost at Nebraska. No winning records so far. His record there is 15-30 with 21 of those losses by a single score. Today was marred by turnovers and an ill-advised onside kick when they were ahead. That’s coaching.

 

[fishheadspin]

Dumbest call !! He prob deserves to be left in Dublin. Two defense stops and back to back scores to take the lead.. mid third quarter and all the momentum.. onside kick and NW recovers and scores.. and ball gsme

 

[stolitonic]

We hired Dooley, Jones, and Pruitt. And none of them will ever be a Power 5 HC again.

Now, you’re in year 5 of Scott Frost at Nebraska. No winning records so far. His record there is 15-30 with 21 of those losses by a single score. Today was marred by turnovers and an ill-advised onside kick when they were ahead. That’s coaching.

See man, here's the rub. With the three hires you mention-
Dools-well, this one I file under special circumstances. Was he qualifies for the job? Nope. Had Kiffin left a week later or a week earlier, Dools would have never been hired.

Jones-disliked him from the start but, he had the coaching background and seemed ready to make the jump. Just wasn't the guy.

Pruitt-well, if you simply described him from 5K feet, he would seem like the perfect coach. Experienced. Been around big time winning programs. His intelligence was way overrated though. Just one of those guys who got promoted because his division was doing well, nothing that he personally did.

Nope boys. This all goes back to the original sin if you will. Our program jumped off a cliff the day we hired Kiffin in hindsight. We had people beating down our door. And we reached.and bet it all on a man child

Wondering if maybe the Huskers firing Pellini was the coupe de grace for them that hiring Kiff was for us?

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

See man, here's the rub. With the three hires you mention-
Dools-well, this one I file under special circumstances. Was he qualifies for the job? Nope. Had Kiffin left a week later or a week earlier, Dools would have never been hired.

Jones-disliked him from the start but, he had the coaching background and seemed ready to make the jump. Just wasn't the guy.

Pruitt-well, if you simply described him from 5K feet, he would seem like the perfect coach. Experienced. Been around big time winning programs. His intelligence was way overrated though. Just one of those guys who got promoted because his division was doing well, nothing that he personally did.

Nope boys. This all goes back to the original sin if you will. Our program jumped off a cliff the day we hired Kiffin in hindsight. We had people beating down our door. And we reached.and bet it all on a man child

Wondering if maybe the Huskers firing Pellini was the coupe de grace for them that hiring Kiff was for us?

Good point. Starting with 2008, every change resulted in a poorer list of candidates. So the easiest spot to fix it would have been a do-over with the Kiffin hire. White’s list was James Franklin and bunch of terrible candidates. We appear to have gotten lucky with Heupel because he has both X/O knowledge and relates to people. Just need to keep him for a while and have some success.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Good point. Starting with 2008, every change resulted in a poorer list of candidates. So the easiest spot to fix it would have been a do-over with the Kiffin hire. White’s list was James Franklin and bunch of terrible candidates. We appear to have gotten lucky with Heupel because he has both X/O knowledge and relates to people. Just need to keep him for a while and have some success.

Look at it this way. It took Harbaugh 7 years to win the Big 10. Michigan could've said "adiós, this aint working out" 3 years prior. But they stuck to their hire and it finally paid off. We are going to have to demonstrate similar patience with Heupel.

 

[tnutater]

Look at it this way. It took Harbaugh 7 years to win the Big 10. Michigan could've said "adiós, this aint working out" 3 years prior. But they stuck to their hire and it finally paid off. We are going to have to demonstrate similar patience with Heupel.

IMHO 2 facts..........
1. The Big 10 ain't the SEC.
2. Vol fans have not been blessed with the virtue of patience.

 

[99gator]

I usually say that Program X is the right coach away.

I don't know anymore about Nebraska. That program may truly be dead. They are a program where violating NCAA rules and being placed on probation would be worth it in order to bring the program back to relevance.

I don't know how else you attract talent to Lincoln, NE, anymore.

 

[walkenvol]

I usually say that Program X is the right coach away.

I don't know anymore about Nebraska. That program may truly be dead. They are a program where violating NCAA rules and being placed on probation would be worth it in order to bring the program back to relevance.

I don't know how else you attract talent to Lincoln, NE, anymore.

If Iowa and Boise can be competitive why can’t Nebraska?

 

[headhunter15]

Wondered if Dave Clawson would leave Wake Forest for Nebraska. Clawson has been blessed with time at WF to build it up.

 

[headhunter15]

If Iowa and Boise can be competitive why can’t Nebraska?

The state of Iowa is getting lucky the last few years in producing some good talent. 247 did a story on the state over the summer.

 

[walkenvol]

For me, Frost’s lack of success at Nebraska after his success in Florida has been the biggest coaching surprise of late. Really thought that would be a home run hire for Nebraska.

 

[99gator]

If Iowa and Boise can be competitive why can’t Nebraska?

Boise doesn't play anyone.

Iowa's program has a ceiling. If the best Nebraska football can produce are some good football teams every now and then, a once a decade appearance in the Big 10 title game, never winning the conference, never making a playoff......then, the program that once was is dead and gone.

In the last 20 years, they have 2 Alamo Bowl wins, 2 Gator Bowl wins, a Holiday Bowl win, and a Foster Farms Bowl win.

 

[headhunter15]

For me, Frost’s lack of success at Nebraska after his success in Florida has been the biggest coaching surprise of late. Really thought that would be a home run hire for Nebraska.

Yep. I thought Nebraska would already be giving Ohio St., Penn St., and Michigan fits. I do wonder if Nebraska would be better under a Wisconsin-style offense instead of the spread.

 

[99gator]

This has kind of been brought up before, but in looking up numbers over the last 20 years, there are some very good comparisons between Tennessee and Nebraska. And maybe it's my bias based on where I live, grew up, etc., but while the situations are statistically similar, I don't think they are close.

Getting a kid to go to Knoxville, TN, is a whole lot different than getting a kid to go to Lincoln, NE. Add to that, that Knoxville is a 4 hour drive or less away from Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, shares a border with Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, etc.

And the schedule, which people here hate......but as a kid, I can say to myself, we're going to play Alabama, Georgia, Florida. Has anyone looked at Nebraska's schedule? They play Oklahoma as part of a deal, but that's not the norm. The best games are against Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan.....schools that are hundreds of miles away. What's the game they circle on their schedule? The one that fans and players really want badly?

They have no recruiting base. They have no history with their opponents. They have nothing other than a fantastic fan base and a dust covered trophy case.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

Look at it this way. It took Harbaugh 7 years to win the Big 10. Michigan could've said "adiós, this aint working out" 3 years prior. But they stuck to their hire and it finally paid off. We are going to have to demonstrate similar patience with Heupel.

Heupel was given award for best first year coach. I don’t think anyone is criticizing him.

Point of the post was that Frost has no winning records. And he’s already lost a game they should’ve won.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

This has kind of been brought up before, but in looking up numbers, there are some very good comparisons between Tennessee and Nebraska. And maybe it's my bias based on where I live, grew up, etc., but while the situations are statistically similar, I don't think they are close.

Getting a kid to go to Knoxville, TN, is a whole lot different than getting a kid to go to Lincoln, NE. Add to that, that Knoxville is a 4 hour drive or less away from Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, shares a border with Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, etc.

And the schedule, which people here hate......but as a kid, I can say to myself, we're going to play Alabama, Georgia, Florida. Has anyone looked at Nebraska's schedule. They play Oklahoma as part of a deal, but that's not the norm. The best games are against Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan.....schools that are hundreds of miles away. What's the game they circle on their schedule? The one that fans and players really want badly?

Nebraska was as good as any team year in, year out from for a solid 40 years. Better than Alabama, Southern Cal, and certainly UT. They lost their identity and their out of state recruiting base.

 

[99gator]

Nebraska was as good as any team year in, year out from for a solid 40 years. Better than Alabama, Southern Cal, and certainly UT. They lost their identity and their out of state recruiting base.

I should have included that I meant over the last 20 years (both programs being down).

I totally agree with you as to what has happened with the program.

 

[UTwild82]

I think every major program is one good hire away from being back. I remember reading articles before Saban was hired that Bama would never be Bama again.

I think the Cali schools coming to the Big 10 is a big deal for Nebraska. NU recruited Cali well under Osborne. You can sell a kid a chance to play a game in their home state against USC or UCLA and a chance to play Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan, etc.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I think every major program is one good hire away from being back. I remember reading articles before Saban was hired that Bama would never be Bama again.

I think the Cali schools coming to the Big 10 is a big deal for Nebraska. NU recruited Cali well under Osborne. You can sell a kid a chance to play a game in their home state against USC or UCLA and a chance to play Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan, etc.

Had not really thought about this, but yes, the two LA schools could help Nebraska possibly.

 

[Sarms58]

Look at it this way. It took Harbaugh 7 years to win the Big 10. Michigan could've said "adiós, this aint working out" 3 years prior. But they stuck to their hire and it finally paid off. We are going to have to demonstrate similar patience with Heupel.

Yea, it took Johnny Majors 9 years to win an SEC title. We had patience then but I’m not sure we have that kind of patience now. I expect us to at least be competitive for the divisional title by year 4 under Heupel and to make it to the championship game by year 6. Not saying we fire a coach if we come up a bit short but we need to be in the thick of things and be competitive with the Georgias and Alabamas into the 4th quarter of those games. We need to be feared again.

 

[99gator]

Just to let everyone know how bad Frost is doing.

Johnny was 21-23-1 in his first 45 games at Tennessee.

While not being the kind of record that would have people building Majors a statue, Frost is 15-30 at Nebraska.

 

[Zues1]

I always felt Frost wanted to stay in Florida.
I suppose had he remained at UCF people would have called him scared for not going home. Sometimes you just can't go home......

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

Yea, it took Johnny Majors 9 years to win an SEC title. We had patience then but I’m not sure we have that kind of patience now. I expect us to at least be competitive for the divisional title by year 4 under Heupel and to make it to the championship game by year 6. Not saying we fire a coach if we come up a bit short but we need to be in the thick of things and be competitive with the Georgias and Alabamas into the 4th quarter of those games. We need to be feared again.

Schedules are a little different now. Back in the late 70s and early 80s, you played 6 conference games. There were fewer bowl games, but Majors still made bowls in 2 of his first 5 seasons (and 3 more in a row) before winning the SEC. They’d spring the occasional upset to keep the fan base optimistic. Frost just seems like he won’t get it turned around out there.

 

[hUTch2002]

For me, Frost’s lack of success at Nebraska after his success in Florida has been the biggest coaching surprise of late. Really thought that would be a home run hire for Nebraska.

But he only had 1 good year. He caught lightning on a bottle like Orgeron and Chizik.

 

[stolitonic]

If Iowa and Boise can be competitive why can’t Nebraska?

Iowa is successful because they play old school football-and do it well. Hell, their playbook probably hasn't been updated since Clinton was in office. That being said, they consistent win 8 or so games. Is it better to suck for 5 years and have one great 11 win season or to be "good" pretty much every year? Iowa has decided.

Boise, they usually play one good team a year. They are basically the " tallest midget". They beat a bunch of smaller teams and occasionally pull out a shocker.

Nebraska's problem is that they are trying to do the same thing as everybody else. You just cannot get the talent to Lincoln these days to run a traditional offense. They need to go back to the B12 like yesterday. When they moved conferences, they lost their inroads into Texas where over half their recruits were coming from. Second thing is go back to the wishbone. Yes it's boring, but when done exceptionally you can take down anyone.