"Not my job"

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I have a question... If Obama knows there are folks and alot of them claiming he isnt American born, why doesnt he just show proof he is a American so folks will let this die so we can move on?
 
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myrobbins7 said:
I have a question... If Obama knows there are folks and alot of them claiming he isnt American born, why doesnt he just show proof he is a American so folks will let this die so we can move on?
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Oh I don't know, because like 99% of politicians he has too much pride to steep down to such a trivial act.

Why didn't GWB come out and say that he had a DWI until the media reported it?

Besides, it's rather ridiculous he would have to do as such in the first place. Someone could question my birthplace for whatever bizarre reason, and I probably couldn't even find the original copy.

My question is why does his middle name matter? Half of the clowns making a big deal of this make it important to bold his middle name and supposed faith.

Perhaps I should start calling every President and politician by their middle name.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Can't recall any similar accusation being made against Bush. The only thing even in the same universe was the argument about the Florida recount and that was a valid debate that eventually faded.
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So what exactly are the things that should be commented on (president's religion) vs ignored (claiming Bush lied, did it for oil, shuttled the bin Laden's out of town, knew about 9/11, was involved in 9/11, planned 9/11, etc. etc.)

How about MoveOn putting out the "General Betrayus"? ad? Was any Dem leader ever asked to denounce MoveOn? Hell no.

Loons on either side say all kinds of stupid stuff. Boehner told Gregory what he believed that should be sufficient.

Pelosi never once denounced loony charges agains Bush. More importantly, no press hack ever pestered her about why made no such commentary.

Invented issue by NBC for some reason.
 
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bam15 said:
Oh I don't know, because like 99% of politicians he has too much pride to steep down to such a trivial act.

Why didn't GWB come out and say that he had a DWI until the media reported it?

Besides, it's rather ridiculous he would have to do as such in the first place. Someone could question my birthplace for whatever bizarre reason, and I probably couldn't even find the original copy.

My question is why does his middle name matter? Half of the clowns making a big deal of this make it important to bold his middle name and supposed faith.

Perhaps I should start calling every President and politician by their middle name.
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Hang on slow down there turbo, just a question..Im just tired of hearing about it is all. I was just looking for a answer..
 
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bam15 said:
Why didn't GWB come out and say that he had a DWI until the media reported it?
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did they ask about it?

bam15 said:
Besides, it's rather ridiculous he would have to do as such in the first place. Someone could question my birthplace for whatever bizarre reason, and I probably couldn't even find the original copy.
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I needed one for my passport and didn't have a copy here. It took less than a week to get a copy from the state. It might be even easier for a sitting Pres

bam15 said:
My question is why does his middle name matter? Half of the clowns making a big deal of this make it important to bold his middle name and supposed faith.
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It doesn't really matter (well, kinda) but it just seems odd for a Pres who promised transparency
 
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volinbham said:
So what exactly are the things that should be commented on (president's religion) vs ignored (claiming Bush lied, did it for oil, shuttled the bin Laden's out of town, knew about 9/11, was involved in 9/11, planned 9/11, etc. etc.)

How about MoveOn putting out the "General Betrayus"? ad? Was any Dem leader ever asked to denounce MoveOn? Hell no.

Loons on either side say all kinds of stupid stuff. Boehner told Gregory what he believed that should be sufficient.

Pelosi never once denounced loony charges agains Bush. More importantly, no press hack ever pestered her about why made no such commentary.

Invented issue by NBC for some reason.
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MoveOn is just as stupid as the Tea Party nuts who clamor on and on about his birthplace.
 
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utvolpj said:
did they ask about it?



I needed one for my passport and didn't have a copy here. It took less than a week to get a copy from the state. It might be even easier for a sitting Pres



It doesn't really matter (well, kinda) but it just seems odd for a Pres who promised transparency
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I couldn't give a crap.

The guy is obviously as American as you can get.

I'd vote for Arnold (Not really) not because of his birthplace, but viewpoints. And the dude is obviously heavily Americanized.

Strict adherence to a 300 year old document isn't feasible to begin with.

The middle name jabber is ridiculous.

Shall I call, Sarah Palin, Louise, and John McCain, Sidney?
 
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utvolpj said:
did they ask about it?



I needed one for my passport and didn't have a copy here. It took less than a week to get a copy from the state. It might be even easier for a sitting Pres



It doesn't really matter (well, kinda) but it just seems odd for a Pres who promised transparency
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No, but he obviously wasn't very transparent, was he?

This isn't important in the realm of the economy, the middle-east, and 1 trillion other problems.
 
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In TN you have to have your original BC with the stamp to get your drivers license. When I moved here I had to order mine. Took two weeks. President could have come out and shown it two weeks after being asked. he has yet to show it. That is why there are still questions.
 
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bam15 said:
I couldn't give a crap.

The guy is obviously as American as you can get.

I'd vote for Arnold (Not really) not because of his birthplace, but viewpoints. And the dude is obviously heavily Americanized.

Strict adherence to a 300 year old document isn't feasible to begin with.

The middle name jabber is ridiculous.

Shall I call, Sarah Palin, Louise, and John McCain, Sidney?
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I would argue "American as you can get" based on policies but that's different. And the Constitution comments are pretty bad. It's the law but can be amended if needed. But it's just a piece of paper right?

I guess Bush was never just called W?
 
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utvolpj said:
I would argue "American as you can get" based on policies. And the Constitution comments are pretty bad. It's the law but can be amended if needed. But it's just a piece of paper right?
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Who said that? That's a very broad-brush. It's pretty obvious that we have advanced tremendously since 1787. That's why I said strict adherence is foolish.
 
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utvolpj said:
I would argue "American as you can get" based on policies but that's different. And the Constitution comments are pretty bad. It's the law but can be amended if needed. But it's just a piece of paper right?

I guess Bush was never just called W?
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He was called W because he held the same name as his father. He also specifically liked to be referenced in that fashion. A lot of the Hussein name-calling is geared toward connecting the dots to Islam and the ME. How many people did you hear calling any of the other candidates by their middle name?
 
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bam15 said:
Who said that? That's a very broad-brush. It's pretty obvious that we have advanced tremendously since 1787. That's why I said strict adherence is foolish.
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seems the man in the WH agrees with you. Congrats

bam15 said:
He was called W because he held the same name as his father. He also specifically liked to be referenced in that fashion. A lot of the Hussein name-calling is geared toward connecting the dots to Islam and the ME. How many people did you hear calling any of the other candidates by their middle name?
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you hear very, very few people do it and they are probably drawing SS from a mental disability (ironic actually). It's a non-issue that the left harps on to paint conservatives/TP in a bad light. Just like LG's racist thing
 
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They are? Last I heard the military still held complete power. Democracy doesn't automatically infer a Federal Republic either. Regardless, I never said the constitution was wrong. It was revolutionary and is still the founding framework. It was also an 18th century document. How many people attempt bloodletting, 18th century military tactics, etc?
 
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utvolpj said:
seems the man in the WH agrees with you. Congrats



you hear very, very few people do it and they are probably drawing SS from a mental disability (ironic actually). It's a non-issue that the left harps on to paint conservatives/TP in a bad light. Just like LG's racist thing
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Sorry, I choose to be realistic and modern. Attempting to live in the 18th century is neither.
 
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bam15 said:
What was the point of amending it then?
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things do change and it is amended to reflect that. I have yet to see a movement to allow foreign-born people to be Pres.

What else is missing to bring it into the 21st century?
 
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utvolpj said:
things do change and it is amended to reflect that. I have yet to see a movement to allow foreign-born people to be Pres.

What else is missing to bring it into the 21st century?
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I've been saying that for the past 20 minutes.

Good, I guess I need to start one.
 
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bam15 said:
I've been saying that for the past 20 minutes.

Good, I guess I need to start one.
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I also said it many posts ago. You also haven't listed where it needs to be updated to reflect the current times. Obviously you have ideas if you're saying it's outdated
 
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bam15 said:
They are? Last I heard the military still held complete power. Democracy doesn't automatically infer a Federal Republic either. Regardless, I never said the constitution was wrong. It was revolutionary and is still the founding framework. It was also an 18th century document. How many people attempt bloodletting, 18th century military tactics, etc?
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It's being copied as we speak by the people of Egypt. The military is just filling the power void temporarily

The 10 commandments is thousands of years old but it's a very basic set of principals
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utvolpj said:
but you haven't listed where it needs to be updated to reflect the current times. Obviously you have ideas if you're saying it's outdated
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The original framework was intended for those times. Even if the founders envisioned a framework for a country, they could not envision many years later. As one would write a framework now, it would only be applicable to a certain extent 300 years later, for we can only attempt to imagine the future. Nevertheless, founding principles remain (For example a Republic/Democracy from the BC era, etc.) Many want to strictly adhere to the document, as if it was written yesterday, which isn't entirely reasonable. The point being, one could override a previous amendment or portion of the document, but would be labeled as considering the document as a piece of paper.

(Reformating Sep of Powers)
(Term limits)
(Birthplace limits)
(Age limits)
(Parliamentary/Cabinent)
(Unicameral congress)

yada yada -- only ideas thrown out.

The entire point is many consider this to be treason or heresy, and reforming the system in any shape or form is wrong.
 
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