Notre Dame @ Stanford

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There we go, thats what separates the Irish from the USC and UT's of the world (what UT has turned into in the past few years I should say), we care more about our guys as people than as football players. They take the same classes, eat the same DH food, and live in the same dorms as everyone else. Somehow I don't see Brady Quinn being proud of taking ballroom dance as his only class. Now, I respect the Stanford players just as much as I do the Notre Dame players, because they are taking real classes and getting an actual college degree. You see the Stanford and Irish guys on TV tonight and they sound like intelligent people that could very easily succeed outside the NFL, I cannot say the same about what I have seen of USC. And I am very dissapointed in Tennessee in the past few years, some of those guys have been in jail more than they have been playing football. General Neyland must be rolling in his grave, I know he wouldn't have tolerated that kind of behavior, back when UT wasn't driven solely by winning percentages and bowl game numbers.
I am sorry if I am getting a little pissy but it seems like you people do not understand that to schools like ND, Stanford, and Navy football is only one facet of an overall life-shaping experience.
 
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Sorry to dissappoint but purists are not the only true fans of college football. Respect for Notre Dame's football tradition, and other schools such as the military programs and others like Stanford, Texas A&M, Penn State, etc.

I honestly don't get what everybody's problem with USC is. It's not like their a bunch of criminals, or extremely disrespectful. You really think USC is being classless? What about them says that? To me they are just a good football team having a bit of fun along the way. As far as their academics go, USC is a very good school as well. It seems like Pete Carroll has most of his guys moving through very well, while taking a light-hearted but still well-mannered approach.

Seriously. What's the deal
 
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Some people are always going to be haters, but I agree Milo, I don't see how you can do anything but be in awe of what USC has done the last 3 years.

...and Got Irish, I admire your devotion to Notre Dame, but if you want to know why people dislike Notre Dame, go back and read your last post over and over again. You sound as if you think that somehow ND fans are more evolved, care more and are somehow on a higher plane of understanding than everybody else. And don't lecture us on our school being hung up on bowls and winning percentage less than a year after Ty Willingham. He was a classy guy that represented the school well and graduated players . . . but that wasn't good enough for ND.

I don't want to sound like I'm dogging Notre Dame because I think it's a great school . . . just sometimes in need of a reality check.
 
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Originally posted by Got_IRISH?@Nov 27, 2005 1:37 AM
What's with all the hate? I think some of y'all would root for Florida or 'Bama over ND sometimes...
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You're right, I would.
 
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I would love to hate USC, and I've tried, but I think they are just too good, and have alot of class. I've learned to like em, not as a USC fan, but as a college football fan.
 
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I'm the same way... I normally despise the team that wins every year, but I just don't have that for USC. If anything, I don't care for Texas at all...
 
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Nowhere did I say that winning football games wasn't an important thing. This campus is still split up over the Ty Willingham thing and I just do not understand it. Notre Dame wanted a good football coach and Tyrone wasn't delivering. Yes he was a very honorable man, but he just wasn't consistently putting the numbers on the board. He wasn't being paid whatever insane sum he was being paid to just be a good guy, that is implied by working for Notre Dame, he was hired as a football coach, and as such he wasn't putting out, so he was let go, end of story - no ratial motivations or anything else the College Democrats want to claim.
I do not want to sound like I think Notre Dame is better than every other school or anything like that. I love college football mainly because of that first word, "college". It is so entertaining to me because these men that play such good football are at the same time college students and scholars. Let's face it, at some schools, the "college" part is giving way to the "football" part, and it worries me. If I want to see people play football as their careers I can wait until Sunday for the pros.
Honestly, GAVol, do you know anyone that attnds either school? Many of my good friends from high school attend UTK, and some of the AIM conversations I have had with them seem so alien to me. Seeing a player on campus out of pads is a rare thing, and way too many of them are apathetic about the team and program as a whole. Seriously, the strongest UT fans I know have never set foot on the campus except Neyland stadium and the bookstore. There is nothing wrong with this, but I thought the students would be more interested in the team. If I am mistaken because my friends are wierd, please let me know.
 
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Originally posted by Got_IRISH?@Nov 27, 2005 11:00 AM
Nowhere did I say that winning football games wasn't an important thing.  This campus is still split up over the Ty Willingham thing and I just do not understand it. Notre Dame wanted a good football coach and Tyrone wasn't delivering.
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Willingham started 8-0... Weis starts 5-2 and immediately gets a 10 year extension. What did they want Willingham to deliver in his first year, immediate losses?
 
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Originally posted by Got_IRISH?@Nov 27, 2005 12:00 PM
Let's face it, at some schools, the "college" part is giving way to the "football" part, and it worries me.
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All I'm saying is that it happens at Notre Dame just like it happens everywhere else.
 
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Oh come on, you know as well as I do that Willingham's wins were mostly lucky breaks and smoke-and-mirrors BS. You can watch his first season games vs. this season games and see a HUGE difference in the way the team plays. Even with the number of mental mistakes in the Stanford game (my God how a team with two 1000yd receivers, a 1000yd RB, and a 3600yd QB struggles against unranked Stanford even in the last game in their stadium I don't see) that 1 minute TD drive at the end shows the determination and spirit Charlie has given the program. Even the student body is much more excited with the program with Charlie at the helm. I just don't see the (same) guys led by Willingham pulling off that drive.
Seriously, I compare Ty's first season up here with Phil's season this year at UT. Ty had some lucky breaks just as Phil had some of the opposite luck this year. The administration looked at not only the numbers but the way the team was playing. With Weis it is obvious that the talent of the team is being exploited to much closer to its fullest potential, and this is obvious just by the numbers, because the key players have not changed between this year and last. Players do not go from being OK to being within a stone's throw of the best in the country statistically just by getting a year older (Hell, Jeff Samardzija went from 0 TD's in two years to 15 this year, and I know for sure he didn't magically get that much better over spring and summer).
I just hope the mental mistakes stop for this bowl game, because you can't win a ball game no matter how physically good you are if you cant keep 100% concentration for all 60 minutes of the ball game, and we have no excuse to lose to Ohio State this year (assuming the BCS bids go as expected, the BCS sure is screwed up)
 
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Originally posted by Got_IRISH?@Nov 27, 2005 8:52 PM
the BCS sure is screwed up)
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Whenever a team like South Florida has a chance to get into a BCS bowl.....it's messed up. :yuck:
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 27, 2005 8:42 PM
All I'm saying is that it happens at Notre Dame just like it happens everywhere else.
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I am not saying that Notre Dame players are perfect or anywhere near it, they are people just as USC and UT and everybody else's players are. But, unlike USC and UT, if they are caught comitting a criminal act, they are strictly reprimanded, no matter their position on the depth chart. I still do not understand everyone's position on the Ty issue. I do not have an issue with everyone holding Notre Dame to higher standards morally than other schools (which they obviously do, as evidenced by all the controversy surrounding Ty), but I do not see what the moral issue was with firing Willingham. It is not as if his contract was not paid out in full. If you are being paid millions of dollars per year to do something, you had better be extremely good at it. Ty was a very honorable man who led a football squad that was excellent academically and morally off the field but was mediocre on the field. We wanted a football squad who is excellent academically and morally off the field and excellent on the field, and Ty was not delivering this, so the administration looked to find a replacement, and that replacement was Charlie Weis. You can bet your bottom that if Charlie betrays his Notre Dame education and condones immoral activities he and the offending players will be reprimanded faster than you can say "DuLac" and if the offending activity would mandate expulsion of Joe Domer than Joe First String will be outta here as well.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Nov 27, 2005 8:54 PM
Whenever a team like South Florida has a chance to get into a BCS bowl.....it's messed up.  :yuck:
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You know that the BCS Bowls all let out a collective sigh of relief when West Virginia won the Big East.

Can you imagine the President of a Bowl selection committee standing at a podium trying to put a positive spin on why they are excited to have South Florida coming to play in their game? :D
 
#39
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Originally posted by Got_IRISH?@Nov 27, 2005 7:52 PM
Oh come on, you know as well as I do that Willingham's wins were mostly lucky breaks and smoke-and-mirrors BS.
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8-0 is still better than 6-2. I guess it was just luck that Notre Dame lost to USC and Michigan State this year as well.
 
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I don't think there's any doubt that 1) ND made a good hire in Charlie Weis; 2) The ND athletic department had a full fledged panic attack when it looked like the NFL might come calling on Weis and signed Weis to a 10 year contract after only 6 or 7 games on the job?? But hey, it's their money.
 
#41
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Exactly, there's no questioning Weis' ability to "coach'em up." Just ask the New England Patriots this year about that.

I just couldn't make sense about the immediate multi-year extension for Coach B that starts 5-2, after Coach A starts his tenure 8-0, and gets nothing, not even the chance to stay there long enough for his first recruits to play 4 years.
 
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Originally posted by tidwell@Nov 27, 2005 9:28 PM
8-0 is still better than 6-2.  I guess it was just luck that Notre Dame lost to USC and Michigan State this year as well.
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Yeah Yeah, keep rubbing it in <cough>Vanderbilt</cough>. But on the topic of Ty/Willingham you can&#39;t compare the USC loss of this year and the loss last year. Video replay and bad calls aside, that was a very close, very good ballgame, completely different frm the streamrolling that was November 27, 2004. That series is a shining example of what the administration and athletic department had seen all semester and prompted them to give Weis a contract extension, as both teams were composed of the same key players for both years.
 
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Originally posted by tidwell@Nov 27, 2005 10:18 PM
So basically, Willingham got John Cooper&#39;ed?
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I&#39;m not sure if you can really compare the two though. If I am not mistaken, Cooper was fired because of problems off the field as well as a sorry record vs. Michigan and at bowl games. Willingham definitely didn&#39;t have any problems off the field, and he barely had a problem with bowl games last year because we barely made it to the Insight.com bowl&#33; If Ty had been winning pretty much every game but Michigan and USC, I doubt he would have been fired, but last year we lost to BYU, Purdue, BC, and Pitt, and played pitifully against UTK, Stanford, Michigan, and Michigan State. UTK and Michigan last year were definitely miracle wins. The same story held true for 2003, when we were shut out by Michigan and FSU, murdered by USC and Syracuse?&#33;, and barely beat Navy&#33; The only games in which UTK lost by a significant margin this year were ND and UGA, and in those Tennessee didn&#39;t play that bad of a game (ok, there were some big UTK special teams lapses at the ND game, but Notre Dame has different strengths than the teams UTK practices for most of the year, so I don&#39;t feel that game really hurt UTK that much) and everyone I know back home wants to string Phil up. Phil has been a very good coach, with winning percentages up there with the best of them (With his .799, the only fairly recent Notre Dame coaches to beat him were Parseghian and Leahy). He has one bad season after like 10 good ones and all of a sudden he sucks, but Willingham starts out with a fairly good season then blows it for the next two and we should keep him according to the media. Espicially since it could have easily been way less than .583 if Willingham had the luck of Phil this year with the close games.
I&#39;m sorry to rant on and on but Willingham just couldn&#39;t win even the "given" games, so he was fired. Its the same thing as a corporation firing their president or CEO if he leads the company to multiple fiscal years in the red, or an engineering firm firing an engineer if he consistently generates bad products. Whether he is a good person or not does not overshadow the fact that he has been hired to lead said company to profitability or design sound widgets for Acme Engineering. Willingham was consistently leading Notre Dame into mediocrity, so he was fired. Weis took Willingham&#39;s mediocre team and turned the same players into a #7 ranked team with stats that make Willingham look like he was playing with a division IAA squad. Even on Willingham&#39;s good year, the statistical numbers were no match for Weis&#39;s this year, even though Willingham had a better win/loss ratio. So as I have said, Weis received a contract extension not only because of his win/loss ratio, but due to the increased confidence and motivation as well as the raw yardage he got out of Willingham&#39;s squad.
 
#46
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Originally posted by Got_IRISH?@Nov 27, 2005 2:37 AM
What&#39;s with all the hate? I think some of y&#39;all would root for Florida or &#39;Bama over ND sometimes... geez I was rooting for UT for 10 out of 11 weeks this year (I wish I could get more of the games, the past three havent been on up in South Bend) and you can be sure I&#39;d be all over UT beating USC (So Cal, not South Carolina)... I also don&#39;t see how so many of you can be for USC, espicially over Texas.... USC and Pete Carroll are the cockiest bunch of arrogant jerks in college football as far as I am concerned. A 3pete would be just what they need.
But as far as today&#39;s game went I&#39;m not sure exactly what&#39;s been up these past three games. Think ol&#39; Brady&#39;s had his beer googles on the past three Saturdays, and DJ definitely should have sat out this week. But you gotta give it to my fellow Georgia boy DWalk, he played a hell of a game tonight.

Here&#39;s to UT and the Irish meeting at the national championship next year&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
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nd is like the yankees man. they are just easy to hate. i cant stand em. they have on hell of a coach though.

he has turned dirt into gold. rumplestiltskin will be knocking on his door pretty soon.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 27, 2005 9:25 PM
You know that the BCS Bowls all let out a collective sigh of relief when West Virginia won the Big East.

Can you imagine the President of a Bowl selection committee standing at a podium trying to put a positive spin on why they are excited to have South Florida coming to play in their game?  :D
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It&#39;s going to be hard enough doing that with West Virginia. That is one program I despise for the classless fans alone. They&#39;re horrible.
 
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Originally posted by tidwell@Nov 27, 2005 6:35 PM
Exactly, there&#39;s no questioning Weis&#39; ability to "coach&#39;em up."  Just ask the New England Patriots this year about that.

I just couldn&#39;t make sense about the immediate multi-year extension for Coach B that starts 5-2, after Coach A starts his tenure 8-0, and gets nothing, not even the chance to stay there long enough for his first recruits to play 4 years.
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Weis looks a lot more attractive to the NFL, even if he is off to a worse start than Willingham. ND has to keep him reeled in.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Nov 28, 2005 1:00 AM
Weis looks a lot more attractive to the NFL, even if he is off to a worse start than Willingham. ND has to keep him reeled in.
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And why does Weis look better to the NFL than Willingham? The same reasons I said Weis looked better to ND than Willingham, and the same reason that ND rewarded Weis with a pay increase and longer contract.
 
#50
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Yep... Weis has already been successful in a high-level coaching job elsewhere. He&#39;s more likely to become an HC in the NFL and thus worth more money.
 
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