NRA Wants Suspected Terrorist Gun Ban Withdrawn

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2nd amendment or not, the sound of this just makes me wonder.....on a terrorist watch list? here's your 12 guage, come again.

i'm all for the right to bear arms, but the NRA infuriates me sometimes, and this falls squarely in that category.
 
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I have to support the NRA on this one. I do not like the idea of the federal government being able to deny someone the right to purchase firearms simply based on assumption and discretion.

I think that the Attorney General's office should have to go through a judge in order to recategorize a suspected terrorist as a known terrorist. I do not believe a known terrorist should be able to purchase firearms, in America, however I have no problem with a suspected terrorist doing so.
 
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therealUT said:
I have to support the NRA on this one. I do not like the idea of the federal government being able to deny someone the right to purchase firearms simply based on assumption and discretion.

I think that the Attorney General's office should have to go through a judge in order to recategorize a suspected terrorist as a known terrorist. I do not believe a known terrorist should be able to purchase firearms, in America, however I have no problem with a suspected terrorist doing so.
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all that's fine well and good, and from a legal and "american law" standpoint, i can't disagree.........but at the same time, has it ever dawned on anyone, not you personally, that part of the problem is the line of thought that leads us to this? that right there above is exactly what i'm frustrated with.........more beaurrocracy...yes, that's the answer. sometimes the right thing to do is the right thing to do, regardless of how it's defined in the lawbooks. some of this stuff should be questioned.

to me, if you're a suspected terroist there's a reason for it.....and you should be watched like a hawk.
 
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When was the last terrorist attack against a western nation in which firearms were used?
 
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therealUT said:
When was the last terrorist attack against a western nation in which firearms were used?
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i thought about that as i typing out my 1st post and it's a good point.

we probably don't have much to worry about directly related to a terrorist and a single firearm, i'll concede that, but it just sounds funny that in this country a suspected terroist's right to buy a gun is protected, and that there are those out there who not only agree with it, but are actively trying to ensure that it stays that way.....

i take my civil liberties pretty seriously, but this just seems like overkill.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i thought about that as i typing out my 1st post and it's a good point.

we probably don't have much to worry about directly related to a terrorist and a single firearm, i'll concede that, but it just sounds funny that in this country a suspected terroist's right to buy a gun is protected, and that there are those out there who not only agree with it, but are actively trying to ensure that it stays that way.....

i take my civil liberties pretty seriously, but this just seems like overkill.
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Remember, that same country is the one in which you are innocent until proven guilty. If the proof is there, simply categorize said person(s) as a known terrorist. I just do not agree with restricting certain rights simply for the sake of suspicion.
 
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therealUT said:
Remember, that same country is the one in which you are innocent until proven guilty. If the proof is there, simply categorize said person(s) as a known terrorist. I just do not agree with restricting certain rights simply for the sake of suspicion.
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again, no arguement, it is what is.........but here's the rub.........the folks that are out to get us don't answer to any "human" laws.......just the word of Allah........the status quo has changed in the world today, and we bicker back and forth about due process etc........all the while the rest of the jihadist world is doing whatever is necessary to "win" so to speak.

and please don't mis understand, i'm not one of these radical idealistc types, but i do think that the world has changed enought that we should probably consider doing just a little changing too.

there are exceptions to the rules today. the geneva convention and war trials are a thing of the past in this world. and it wasn't us that made it that way....
 
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Has to be one of the most grotesquely miscalculated errors in the history of land grabbing...
 
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If you throw out Western country has a qualifer, there's been several instances in the Soviet Union of terrorist using firearms..

I don't agree with the NRA's postion on this, or the fact that the mentally ill, can purchase firearms.
 
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therealUT said:
I have to support the NRA on this one. I do not believe a known terrorist should be able to purchase firearms, in America, however I have no problem with a suspected terrorist doing so.
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People like you scare the hell out of me. No wonder this country is being pissed down the tubes, but sadly it is due to the ignorance of our citizens. No wonder the Bushies have eased up on getting rid of the Department of Education, we're already stupid.
 
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therealUT said:
So, you think suspicion equates to condemnation?
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No, but if a person of middle eastern decent that's on a federal watch list wants to buy a fiearm, and we can keep him from doing it, I think that's prudent.

Just like I don't want them flying airplanes, renting crop dusters, or buying 1000's of lbs of fertlizer..
 
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vol_in_ar said:
No, but if a person of middle eastern decent that's on a federal watch list wants to buy a fiearm, and we can keep him from doing it, I think that's prudent.

Just like I don't want them flying airplanes, renting crop dusters, or buying 1000's of lbs of fertlizer..
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one does not to have to be of middle eastern decent to be on the terrorist watch list. so are you okay with people or terror watch lists being able to purchase guns as long as they aren't middle eastern?
 
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emainvol said:
one does not to have to be of middle eastern decent to be on the terrorist watch list. so are you okay with people or terror watch lists being able to purchase guns as long as they aren't middle eastern?
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No,
If their on a terroist watch list they shouldn't be able to purchace a firearm..
 
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therealUT said:
When was the last terrorist attack against a western nation in which firearms were used?
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Off base. When was the last time a western nation was attacked by commercial airliners? These nuts will not attack us as individuals carrying handguns from the aspect of being an army. They want us one small piece at a time. It is not unthinkable that some muzzie pull off exactly what cho pulled off in order to create a little domestic mayhem. For the NRA to support this leads me to believe the NRA could care less about this country. NO SUSPECTED TERROIST should be able to legally purchase any kind of weapon here. PERIOD!!
 
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BHAMVOLFAN said:
Off base. When was the last time a western nation was attacked by commercial airliners? These nuts will not attack us as individuals carrying handguns from the aspect of being an army. They want us one small piece at a time. It is not unthinkable that some muzzie pull off exactly what cho pulled off in order to create a little domestic mayhem. For the NRA to support this leads me to believe the NRA could care less about this country. NO SUSPECTED TERROIST should be able to legally purchase any kind of weapon here. PERIOD!!
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So you would prefer the NRA be backed into agreeing with guns rights being restricted? I see, make laws restricting rights because of fear of terrorists? Who is really winning in that scenario?
 
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allvol123 said:
So you would prefer the NRA be backed into agreeing with guns rights being restricted? I see, make laws restricting rights because of fear of terrorists? Who is really winning in that scenario?
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Gun rights are already restricted. Why the hell would I not want a suspected terrorist the right to purchase a gun? I'm all for gun ownership, in fact I have a few myself. Unfortunately, these laws are to protect ourselves from ourselves. I don't mind a waiting period after applying for a permit or lisense. I don't mind a background check. I sure as hell mind felons, suspected terrorist and non-American citizens having the right to legally purchase a weapon.
 
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Perhaps I will accuse you of being a suspected terrorist. Then no more guns for you. Brilliant.
 
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BHAMVOLFAN said:
Gun rights are already restricted. Why the hell would I not want a suspected terrorist the right to purchase a gun? I'm all for gun ownership, in fact I have a few myself. Unfortunately, these laws are to protect ourselves from ourselves. I don't mind a waiting period after applying for a permit or lisense. I don't mind a background check. I sure as hell mind felons, suspected terrorist and non-American citizens having the right to legally purchase a weapon.
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Because you are innocent until proven guilty.
 
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People don't realize the names on the watch lists and what they can do with it. My wife's uncle has been pegged every time he goes to the airport because his name is the exact same as an IRA bombmaker. And no matter what connections he has he cannot get off the list. So just by having a matching name, you can have your liberties curtailed or at least heavily scrutinized and you don't have to have a Semitic last name.
 
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We didn't do it to prohibit American citizens from having the right to own guns, I can tell you that.
 
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