NTSB recommends ban on use of cell phones or texting while driving

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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Like I said, we are going in circles here. You claim more accidents, sure there may be more, but how severe are they? We can all deal with fender bender on the side of the road, but I am talking about serious injuries requiring lots of our resources responding, which are more likely to happen if you are not wearing a seatbelt

FARS Encyclopedia

here is the NTSB data showing a 20% drop in death rates since 1994.
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Severe enough that my daughter (while wearing a seatbelt) suffered a broken neck and nearly died after the driver of the car she was riding in was texting and ran a stop sign. Their SUV was broadsided, hit a phone pole and rolled a revolution and a half before coming to rest.

Unfortunately, I do it myself sometimes and have had to correct a time or three. I'm guilty, but in this case understand the logic.
 
#202
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
all of them, because they arent being killed by people on the phone and driving.

How many lives have to be lost to people talking on their phones before laws start to get passed? How many lives are you willing to lose to protect your freedom to talk on the phone?

If we could cut the number of deaths from 30K per year to 25K per year, is that worth it?
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Why stop at cell phone use, limit allowable drivable hours in a day, etc
 
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volmanbill said:
Severe enough that my daughter (while wearing a seatbelt) suffered a broken neck and nearly died after the driver of the car she was riding in was texting and ran a stop sign. Their SUV was broadsided, hit a phone pole and rolled a revolution and a half before coming to rest.
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mercy, I remember this
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
all of them, because they arent being killed by people on the phone and driving.

How many lives have to be lost to people talking on their phones before laws start to get passed? How many lives are you willing to lose to protect your freedom to talk on the phone?
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:lolabove:

VolsNSkinsFan said:
If we could cut the number of deaths from 30K per year to 25K per year, is that worth it?
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I don't know, how much would it cost?
 
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#207
I am not for sure what makes anyone think they have a legal right to be using a phone while driving. How about sending your child when they are 16 to the DMV, and when they are taking their practical test, have them pull out their phone and dial up a number. See how fast that application for a license gets rejected.

Better yet, let them take their cell phone with them and then call them while they are out on the road with the official. See what happens before they answer.

This is beyond stupid. The dumbest SOB in the world knows it's an ill-advised distraction while behind the wheel. Someone please tell me how a law banning the use of cell phones while driving is going to alter their lifestyle from a human rights standpoint.
 
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volmanbill said:
Severe enough that my daughter (while wearing a seatbelt) suffered a broken neck and nearly died after the driver of the car she was riding in was texting and ran a stop sign. Their SUV was broadsided, hit a phone pole and rolled a revolution and a half before coming to rest.

Unfortunately, I do it myself sometimes and have had to correct a time or three. I'm guilty, but in this case understand the logic.
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So I am not trying to be a jerk, but the seatbelt is not where your anger should be pointed at
 
#209
#209
So the former HC for the Penn State football team said the solution to less head injuries would be to remove the facemask so players didn't use their helmet as a weapon.

One could make the argument that seatbelts, air bags and the whole host of safety devices have actually made things more dangerous on our roads. I mean, what the heck, I have a seatbelt and an airbag so what is the harm of going 80 or 90 if I want? But, when I had my 74 VW Bug, which had a seatbelt but also brakes that would lock up unexpectedly, I drove extra careful, kept a safe distance from all cars and made sure I had plenty of room to stop at the lights. I was the safest driver on the road in the vehicle with the fewest safety features. Seatbelts kill.
 
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Also, I can always spot the drivers who are texting because they tend to go about 5 miles below the speed limit, stay well behind the car in front and take off from the light very slowly. You might say they are the safer drivers out there and it is the rest of us who are the menace.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
So I am not trying to be a jerk, but the seatbelt is not where your anger should be pointed at
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I don't have an issue with seatbelts. I don't drive without it. The seatbelt didn't distract the driver and cause him to run a stop sign and into the path of oncoming traffic. Texting did. Btw, the one teen in the car not wearing a seatbelt was thrown from the Pathfinder as it rolled. Miraculously, she walked away.
 
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2ironVol said:
I am not for sure what makes anyone think they have a legal right to be using a phone while driving. How about sending your child when they are 16 to the DMV, and when they are taking their practical test, have them pull out their phone and dial up a number. See how fast that application for a license gets rejected.

Better yet, let them take their cell phone with them and then call them while they are out on the road with the official. See what happens before they answer.

This is beyond stupid. The dumbest SOB in the world knows it's an ill-advised distraction while behind the wheel. Someone please tell me how a law banning the use of cell phones while driving is going to alter their lifestyle from a human rights standpoint.
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What do you mean by "legal right"? The concept of "rights" is one that is not and cannot be modified by legislation.
 
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#215
Seatbelts kill? Rare

I can tell you that it is exponentially more likely that you will die in a major auto accident if you aren't wearing your seatbelt than if you are wearing it. Sure, there is the isolated cases here and there of seatbelts killing, but the opposite is much more likely.

My best friend was killed in an auto accident 27 years ago as a result of him not wearing his seatbelt. Had he been wearing it, he would not have been ejected out through the front window onto the pavement where the blow to the head was fatal.
 
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2ironVol said:
Seatbelts kill? Rare

I can tell you that it is exponentially more likely that you will die in a major auto accident if you aren't wearing your seatbelt than if you are wearing it. Sure, there is the isolated cases here and there of seatbelts killing, but the opposite is much more likely.

My best friend was killed in an auto accident 27 years ago as a result of him not wearing his seatbelt. Had he been wearing it, he would not have been ejected out through the front window onto the pavement where the blow to the head was fatal.
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If by "exponentially" you mean 55% more likely, then, yeah, the data would agree with you.
 
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therealUT said:
What do you mean by "legal right"? The concept of "rights" is one that is not and cannot be modified by legislation.
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Really??? Why not make it legal for children to drive when they get big enough to see over the steering wheel?

Regardless of how you spin it, talking/texting while driving is akin to DUI/DWI and should be legislated.
 
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2ironVol said:
Really??? Why not make it legal for children to drive when they get big enough to see over the steering wheel?
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Why outlaw it? There were plenty of kids driving when they were 12, 13, and 14 back in the 50s. Did this result in all types of collision and mayhem?

Anyway, the point is that your use of the term "legal right" is absurd. Laws and rights are separate entities. If something is a right, it is a right in spite of any legislation.

2ironVol said:
Regardless of how you spin it, talking/texting while driving is akin to DUI/DWI and should be legislated.
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Why should drinking and driving be legislated against? I am all for charging someone with manslaughter or assault with a deadly and punishing them accordingly if they kill or wound someone while driving drunk; I do not agree that someone should be punished prior to that, though.
 
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2ironVol said:
Thank you. That lends credence to your suggestion on limiting the number of hours someone can drive in a day
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In what way does it lend creedence? You have data that shows that law has made the roads safer?

Government does a lot of absurd things. The fact that they do something does not give it validity.
 
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therealUT said:
Why outlaw it? There were plenty of kids driving when they were 12, 13, and 14 back in the 50s. Did this result in all types of collision and mayhem?

Anyway, the point is that your use of the term "legal right" is absurd. Laws and rights are separate entities. If something is a right, it is a right in spite of any legislation.



Why should drinking and driving be legislated against? I am all for charging someone with manslaughter or assault with a deadly and punishing them accordingly if they kill or wound someone while driving drunk; I do not agree that someone should be punished prior to that, though.
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So you feel it's ok to get hammered and then get behind the wheel of a car and drive it on a public road, endangering everyone else that might be unlucky enough to cross paths with you? With all due respect, that is crazy :crazy:
 
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