Numbers Dont Lie

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rexvol

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The state of Georgia produced more signees for the SEC than any other state. Georgia produced 65 SEC signees while the state of Florida sent 46 to the SEC. Third will actually surprise you. Mississippi (37 SEC signees) produced more SEC talent than Alabama (36) and Louisiana (19). South Carolina produced 17 while Tennessee produced 12, Arkansas 8 and Kentucky 4. In the other BCS conferences (and Notre Dame), the state of Florida outproduced Gerogia by a wide margin. Overall, Florida sent 155 to the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 Big East and Notre Dame while Georgia sent 66. Florida sent 51 to the ACC, 44 to the Big East, 32 to the Big 10, 23 to the Big 12, 5 to the Pac-10 and 4 to Notre Dame. Georgia sent 43 to the ACC, but the numbers drop off significantly after that. Only 13 went to the Big East, while 5 went to the Big 10, 2 to the Big 12, 2 to the Pac-10 and 1 to Notre Dame.
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Gatorbait
 
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Dooley is a big name in Georgia. I like our chances of grabbing some big name recruits...... Da'Rick Rogers is only the start!!!
 
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Women lie men lie women lie men lie women lie men lie numbers don't lie.
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Tubberville said a few months ago that he connected Fulmer's decline with his loss of recruiting influence in the state of Georgia. Having Lance Thompson will be a huge change for us there. We somehow someway need to recruit florida, but I think trying to set up camp and get all we can out of the state of Georgia will be much more fruitful strategy. Plus, I just think it will be easier to pull recruits away from Georgia than Florida in their own backyard....
 
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PennVol said:
Tubberville said a few months ago that he connected Fulmer's decline with his loss of recruiting influence in the state of Georgia. Having Lance Thompson will be a huge change for us there. We somehow someway need to recruit florida, but I think trying to set up camp and get all we can out of the state of Georgia will be much more fruitful strategy. Plus, I just think it will be easier to pull recruits away from Georgia than Florida in their own backyard....
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GA will definitely be much easier to recruit than FL. Just think about the sheer number of D1 football schools FL has compared to GA. It will always be easier to compete w/ UGA or GATech than it will UF, UM, FSU, UCF, USF, etc.
 
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PennVol said:
Tubberville said a few months ago that he connected Fulmer's decline with his loss of recruiting influence in the state of Georgia. Having Lance Thompson will be a huge change for us there. We somehow someway need to recruit florida, but I think trying to set up camp and get all we can out of the state of Georgia will be much more fruitful strategy. Plus, I just think it will be easier to pull recruits away from Georgia than Florida in their own backyard....
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Clt is the Rodney garner of the new era of cdd, at least in recruiting I hope.

Also, everybody is going to fl along with the rise of ucf, etc in state. Ga - at least equal talent, less competition and really pretty close geographically.
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futureVOL9 said:
Women lie men lie women lie men lie women lie men lie numbers don't lie.
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Its yer boy Yooo GOTTTTI!


back on topic, signees Georgia kids are more likely to remain in the SEC, but the Florida kids have 2 other Huge schools (UM & FSU) to choose from and an up and comin team (USF)

so its harder to get a larger number of those kids to sign in the SEC
 
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PennVol said:
Tubberville said a few months ago that he connected Fulmer's decline with his loss of recruiting influence in the state of Georgia. Having Lance Thompson will be a huge change for us there. We somehow someway need to recruit florida, but I think trying to set up camp and get all we can out of the state of Georgia will be much more fruitful strategy. Plus, I just think it will be easier to pull recruits away from Georgia than Florida in their own backyard....
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UT really doesn't need FL. I know that is counterintuitive... but they just don't. UT needs to keep its talent at home, be no worse than the #2 option in GA/SC/VA/MS, and then they can round out their roster with kids from Tx, FL, Oh, IL, etc.

If UT spends too much of its time and resources in FL then IMHO they'll never get the kind of talent they need to win championships.
 
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RockyTopJA said:
GA will definitely be much easier to recruit than FL. Just think about the sheer number of D1 football schools FL has compared to GA. It will always be easier to compete w/ UGA or GATech than it will UF, UM, FSU, UCF, USF, etc.
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You also can't discount the distance factor. The 4 hour or so drive up from ATL isn't really that big of a deal compared to an hour and a half down to Athens. The long drive from FL is a much bigger deal. Even more, the talent in FL seems to get more concentrated as you go further south. Talent in GA and SC is concentrated in areas convenient to K'ville.
 
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sjt18 said:
If UT spends too much of its time and resources in FL then IMHO they'll never get the kind of talent they need to win championships.
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that doesnt even make any sense

Its not like they would send the entire staff and waste the whole budget in Florida and only recruit there. Its not like having a guy who specializes in Florida recruiting would detract from other areas.

UT would be foolish to not explore getting in on the Gold mine of Florida High School Football

IMO You dont round out your roster with the Florida players, these are the kids you use as centerpieces for programs. you round out your roster with Local talent.

Guys like Lamarcus Joyner, Jeff Luc, Christian Jones, Michael Palardy are stars that a school with the reach and stature of Tennessee should ALWAYS try and get and make a priority .
 
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JayGunna said:
that doesnt even make any sense

Its not like they would send the entire staff and waste the whole budget in Florida and only recruit there. Its not like having a guy who specializes in Florida recruiting would detract from other areas.

UT would be foolish to not explore getting in on the Gold mine of Florida High School Football

IMO You dont round out your roster with the Florida players, these are the kids you use as centerpieces for programs. you round out your roster with Local talent.

Guys like Lamarcus Joyner, Jeff Luc, Christian Jones, Michael Palardy are stars that a school with the reach and stature of Tennessee should ALWAYS try and get and make a priority .
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The only problem with that is that 3 of those 4 were never gonna leave the state and that is how it typically works. We are lucky if we sign 2-3 decent contributors from Florida a year. Usually, the top players from Florida don't leave the state. Some fall through the cracks, but usually to a school that the kid has some sort of tie to.
 
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JayGunna said:
that doesnt even make any sense

Its not like they would send the entire staff and waste the whole budget in Florida and only recruit there. Its not like having a guy who specializes in Florida recruiting would detract from other areas.

UT would be foolish to not explore getting in on the Gold mine of Florida High School Football

IMO You dont round out your roster with the Florida players, these are the kids you use as centerpieces for programs. you round out your roster with Local talent.

Guys like Lamarcus Joyner, Jeff Luc, Christian Jones, Michael Palardy are stars that a school with the reach and stature of Tennessee should ALWAYS try and get and make a priority .
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That's pretty much what Fulmer & Co tried to do after losing their grip on GA.

If you think UT is going into FL and routinely taking "centerpiece" type players away from UF, FSU, and Miami... then I don't know how to help you. There are several Big 10 and Big East schools not to mention the ACC that have more success in FL than UT.

Between the states I mentioned, you are going to get the same level of quality. You're going to find it closer to K'ville... and you don't have to canvas a very large state by air to do it. ATL and the I-85 corridor from LaGrange to Charlotte can easily be recruited by car from K'ville.
 
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of course its not an easy pull but its well worth the effort.
I was just using those guys as examples, every yr, plenty of Florida kids leave the state.

top 2010 players who left the state, there are more but this off top of my head:
McCartney, E. Grant, Lemonier, N. Robey, D. Dorsey, Clvin Smith, K. Boone, Gio Bernard, Michael Lee Harris, James Louis, Delvin Jones, Nix, ...

It happens,

theres no reason we shouldnt be one of the main schools to reap the benefits of these top tier kids who actually dont mind getting away from home
 
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I know there were other factors... But UT couldn't even lock down Chaz Green and Riggs this year even though both had strong ties to the school. Riggs had pretty much eliminated UT before the staff change. Green might have been a Vol but UF didn't really push that hard for him when they thought they were getting Seantrel Henderson.

If you want to make guys who UF passed over your "centerpiece" then get ready for a long ride in the back of the bus.
 
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Simply put UT has never won anything while dependent on players from FL. UT won a NC and Fulmer had his best runs when he was getting "centerpiece" players from GA and SC.
 
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[sarcasm] Great! [/sarcasm]

and back to my original point,
recruiting florida kids doesnt stop you from recruiting in your other base areas. Tenn can continue to get players from Ga
 
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JayGunna said:
[sarcasm] Great! [/sarcasm]

and back to my original point,
recruiting florida kids doesnt stop you from recruiting in your other base areas. Tenn can continue to get players from Ga
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And your original point is still wrong. If a trip from a coach's front door to Miami takes 8 hours each way including waiting time then that's a whole day of recruiting time lost compared to a trip to ATL or Greenville/Spartanburg. A coaching staff only has so much time and resources it can devote to recruiting. Any time and money you spend on a trip to FL could be 2 or 3 trips to see players who are just as good in GA.

On top of that, you have to go where your percentages are better. Can you name one truly great Vol football player from FL? How many would you like me to list from SC or GA?

In fact, I think I can name more Vol greats from sparsely populated western NC than I think you can name from FL.

Let's give that a shot. Give me a list of 5 players from FL that compare to Heath Shuler, Leonard Little, Shawn Bryson, Carl Pickens, and Jimmy Streater... and you can even throw Jonathan Crompton in there if it helps you at all.
 
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no my point is not wrong.
Coaches on a staff are assigned regions, if one coach is recruiting in Florida, he doesnt not adversely effect the coach who recruits in Georgia, the two are not intertwined.

You can have your own trivia session because Tennessee has not always recruited in Florida the same way it has in North Carolina.
so what exactly does your trip down memory lane prove?

U keep bringing up Fulmer and the past and in reality, thats the problem with the Fulmer regime, living in the past. times have changed.
rite now Florida and Texas are the two hottest states talent wise for football. it would be extremely unintelligent (I'm being nice) for a coaching staff of a big time school to eliminate going after prospects from either state
 
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one great one comes to mind -- travis henry.

but this does not change your overall point which is a good one.
 
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JayGunna said:
no my point is not wrong.
Coaches on a staff are assigned regions, if one coach is recruiting in Florida, he doesnt not adversely effect the coach who recruits in Georgia, the two are not intertwined.
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Well... yes, they are. If you put two guys in ATL instead of one then you increase your activity and likelihood of landing great players from there.

This is really nothing different than allocating a sales force in business. You can cast a wide net and hope you snag a good account once in awhile or you can narrow your focus, become experts on an area, develop relationships,... and take the chance that those accounts will carry you.

Both approaches have pluses and minuses... but for the Vols, Ga is a proven success path... FL isn't. In the case of the Vols, they have a limited sales force and are spreading it too thin to be successful with the wide net approach if they devote too many resources to a difficult territory... which FL is.

You can have your own trivia session because Tennessee has not always recruited in Florida the same way it has in North Carolina.
so what exactly does your trip down memory lane prove?
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It proves that UT has been very successful in getting stars from an area with little talent but close proximity but has done very poorly getting even good contributors from a distant state with alot of talent.

U keep bringing up Fulmer and the past and in reality, thats the problem with the Fulmer regime, living in the past. times have changed.
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Really? For all the talk and commitment of time and resources, one of the greatest recruiting staffs any of us has ever seen landed TWO players from FL this year. They might have gotten a few more if they'd stayed but certainly not great numbers or the best available in FL. Palardy is an exception. Meline is a very good prospect but UF wouldn't have traded any of their signees for him. His next best option in the state of Florida probably wasn't one of the big three.
rite now Florida and Texas are the two hottest states talent wise for football. it would be extremely unintelligent (I'm being nice) for a coaching staff of a big time school to eliminate going after prospects from either state
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Not what I said they should do. I said that they didn't need FL and that it shouldn't be their big focus. Per capita, Ga and SC produce as many if not more blue chip players than FL does.

Think of it this way. The combined populations of SC and GA are about 2/3's that of FL. However, together they had 43 four star and five star players whereas FL had 50. The concentration of great players within a 6 our drive in GA and SC is actually greater than the whole state of FL.

Why would any "intelligent" person devote resources to FL that could be spent in GA and SC?

I didn't say btw not to take players or recruit players from FL who showed interest. I simply said it is a poor use of resources to go down there and try to cultivate interest when it has such a low pay off.
 
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sjt18 is right. All he's trying to say Gunna is why would we not take advantage of GA and SC when they are that close, produce just as good talent as FL and we have such good ties. Why would we sacrifice our entire time focusing on FL when we might get a handful of players from there. They're not going to leave bro when GA kids are. Like sjt18 pointed out, prob the best recruiting staff in the nation could only get TWO players from FL TWO! Why would we do that when we can fill up our entire recruiting class with GA players who are just as good talent.
 
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