NY 23rd: Does the GOP go even further to the right?

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The Republican dropped out, trailing the Democrat and the "Conservative Party" nominee.


"Some have called the race a test of the GOP's future: whether traditional conservative ideology would lead the way forward or if a more inclusive approach would draw more people back to the party. Hoffman and his backers said Scozzafava was too liberal to truly represent the Republican party, specifically noting her support of abortion rights and same-sex marriage."
 
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Rs will win again when they get out of the social issues business. Until then, they are needlessly in a stupid skirmish in which the media will only allow one side to win. Stupid strategy on the part of the right.
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The GOP powers that be up there throwing someone who has been in the tank for unions and associated with the Working Families party is why i'm pretty sure she was so far behind. Personally I think the GOP will be alot better off once they stop harping on abortion and gay marriage, especially on the national level, where they have no say on said matters.
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JTrainDavis said:
The GOP powers that be up there throwing someone who has been in the tank for unions and associated with the Working Families party is why i'm pretty sure she was so far behind. Personally I think the GOP will be alot better off once they stop harping on abortion and gay marriage, especially on the national level, where they have no say on said matters.
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You are correct, of course. But those are still the bread and butter issues for candidates looking for support from the active base members in a special election or off-cycle election, the true ideologues.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are correct, of course. But those are still the bread and butter issues for candidates looking for support from the active base members in a special election or off-cycle election, the true ideologues.
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why do you even care? You're so deep in the tank for Obama and his fellow travelers you need scuba gear.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are correct, of course. But those are still the bread and butter issues for candidates looking for support from the active base members in a special election or off-cycle election, the true ideologues.
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The Rs lose elections when they try to go moderate. For all of you saying that the Rs lose because they are too conservative on the issues, you are way off. The GOP had John freaking McCain has the nominee. I have stopped donating $ because the GOP has become too liberal. This is a good move and a possible wake up call to the party.
 
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The problem is the social stuff is getting old to everyone from both sides. That's the thing. Really, the R's have gone way left on the stuff that REALLY matters to the federal level: spending, gov't programs, and the like. They know if they say "I hate gays, and abortion!" but still spend like drunken sailors, that's all they have to do to "win," and they had for a while. Problem is, most people caught onto their crap and aren't voting for them anymore
 
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OrangeYankee said:
The problem is the social stuff is getting old to everyone from both sides. That's the thing. Really, the R's have gone way left on the stuff that REALLY matters to the federal level: spending, gov't programs, and the like. They know if they say "I hate gays, and abortion!" but still spend like drunken sailors, that's all they have to do to "win," and they had for a while. Problem is, most people caught onto their crap and aren't voting for them anymore
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The Rs lose elections when they get away from their comservative principles. There is not a lot of difference between the 2 parties right now.
 
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I would rather see a Liberal Dem in Congress than a Liberal Rep. At least with the Dem, you know where they stand and don't screw you over like Olympia Snowe.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
I would rather see a Liberal Dem in Congress than a Liberal Rep. At least with the Dem, you know where they stand and don't screw you over like Olympia Snowe.
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the only caveat to that would be that a liberal republican probably wouldn't be in the back pocket of ACORN and the SEIU.
 
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volfanjustin said:
The Rs lose elections when they try to go moderate. For all of you saying that the Rs lose because they are too conservative on the issues, you are way off. The GOP had John freaking McCain has the nominee. I have stopped donating $ because the GOP has become too liberal. This is a good move and a possible wake up call to the party.
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That was a special situation. Bush and his attack dog theatrics were such a failure and had so alienated the middle swing voters away from Republicans that the only chance they had was someone moderate. Had they nominated someone of the Pawlentey or Palin branch, the margin of victory would have been a lot more, not less.

Going forward, who is to say? If the bump we got from cash4clunkers helps lead to a real rebound and in 2 and a half years unemployment is declining significantly, then Republicans are doomed again. If its as bad then as it is now, or even worse, then a further right candidate will be what the doctor ordered.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If the bump we got from cash4clunkers helps lead to a real rebound and in 2 and a half years unemployment is declining significantly, then Republicans are doomed again.
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you really don't understand monetary policy do you? so if the economy turns around it's becuase of the $200 mil spent on cash for clunkers?
 
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Cash for Clunkers created an artificial demand for automobiles much like the First Time Home Buyers Tax Credit is doing for the housing markets. Watch the auto sales plummet over the next few months and watch the housing figures do the same after December 1st. By the way Cash for Clunkers cost Americans $24K for every car sold.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Cash for Clunkers created an artificial demand for automobiles much like the First Time Home Buyers Tax Credit is doing for the housing markets. Watch the auto sales plummet over the next few months and watch the housing figures do the same after December 1st. By the way Cash for Clunkers cost Americans $24K for every car sold.
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Absolute Failure!

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MG1968 said:
the only caveat to that would be that a liberal republican probably wouldn't be in the back pocket of ACORN and the SEIU.
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Anyone notice that the most frequent visitor to the WH is the SEIU with something like more than 20 visits listed (according to the recently released visitors list).

20+ since January; hmmmmm
 
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lawgator1 said:
That was a special situation. Bush and his attack dog theatrics were such a failure and had so alienated the middle swing voters away from Republicans that the only chance they had was someone moderate. Had they nominated someone of the Pawlentey or Palin branch, the margin of victory would have been a lot more, not less.

Going forward, who is to say? If the bump we got from cash4clunkers helps lead to a real rebound and in 2 and a half years unemployment is declining significantly, then Republicans are doomed again. If its as bad then as it is now, or even worse, then a further right candidate will be what the doctor ordered.
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Bush was not a conservative, maybe social but not fiscal. If not for Bush we would never have gotten Obama. I would argue that McCain would not have got as many votes as he did if he did not pick Palin. He would not have got mine.

The dems will lose 2 of if not all 3 of these major elections tomorrow. There is something happening in this country right now. Parties do not matter right now, people are tired of big govt and too much spending.
 
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BO said something in his acceptance speech that I will not forget, "It's not the time to argue if government is too big or too small, but if it works." Big Government by definition cannot work and the country is finally seeing this.

It can't be easy to be out of a job and watching the Dems spend a trillion here and a trillion there and say how the recession is over, but more people will probably lose their jobs. Government get out of our way!
 
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volfanjustin said:
Bush was not a conservative, maybe social but not fiscal. If not for Bush we would never have gotten Obama. I would argue that McCain would not have got as many votes as he did if he did not pick Palin. He would not have got mine.

The dems will lose 2 of if not all 3 of these major elections tomorrow. There is something happening in this country right now. Parties do not matter right now, people are tired of big govt and too much spending.
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That was my point, and why I really want them to quit focusing on the social stuff and more on the fiscal/policy. They have it in their heads they just go out and scream the social stuff that fires up their "base," but they can then do whatever they want. Ok, so they vote no on any abortion bill or gay marriage bill, but in the end they have moderated to being just a step right of the Democrats on everything else. I'm all for conservatism in both aspects. I'm just not buying into the bull crap, that is purely designed to keep us divided and not focused on what they are really doing.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
That was my point, and why I really want them to quit focusing on the social stuff and more on the fiscal/policy. They have it in their heads they just go out and scream the social stuff that fires up their "base," but they can then do whatever they want. Ok, so they vote no on any abortion bill or gay marriage bill, but in the end they have moderated to being just a step right of the Democrats on everything else. I'm all for conservatism in both aspects. I'm just not buying into the bull crap, that is purely designed to keep us divided and not focused on what they are really doing.
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I want candidates who are both, fiscal and social conservatives. I don't know many of these right now but that is my preference. But you are right in that the Rs and not much better than the dems. I am sick of having to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I want candidates who are both, fiscal and social conservatives. I don't know many of these right now but that is my preference. But you are right in that the Rs and not much better than the dems. I am sick of having to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
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At this present time I am more concerned with the fiscal side of things. I would love to have a candidate that is both fiscally and socially Conservative. But right now the fiscal side of the fence is more important to me.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
At this present time I am more concerned with the fiscal side of things. I would love to have a candidate that is both fiscally and socially Conservative. But right now the fiscal side of the fence is more important to me.
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what good does social conservatism, aside from punishing rather than rehabbing prisoners, do for anyone?
 
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