Obama Administration to Honor ‘Green’ Schools That Teach ‘Environmental Literacy’

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If a child is having trouble getting through public school, perhaps it has nothing to do with the school's offerings. Public school is pretty basic, and the kids spend a lot of time there.

I think we have an expectation that there are no dumb kids. There are loads of them, coming from dumb parents. I mean, parents can teach their kids algebra at home too, if they think there is too little time spent on that in school for their slow child.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The problem isn't necessarily with the thought of teaching kids to save energy, heck I do that at home with my daughter, it's about there being a limited amount of time to learn in the setting they are in right now. The whole "No Child Left Behind" BS that I hear being spewed about, is one of the worst policies I have ever seen created, because not only does it not work, it really doesn't even help the kids that are having trouble in class. Now, there wanting to institute more time for learning things that should be taught at home?? This is the exact reason that rampant public school reform is necessary, too much government, unions, and playing the test score percentages, and too little actually figuring out how to teach each student effectively.
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Agree with the bold 100%.

Children learn more when something is relevant and hands-on. One doesn't have to sit and work 50 random math problems per night to be fluent in math skills. As a matter of fact, those are just random numbers that have no meaning.

A good teacher will incorporate these math skills into the green technology lesson plan where the numbers have actual meaning. Cross curriculum education is the newest trend (they come and go). The science and math teachers can get together, teach a unit with hands on applications. This allows the students to learn concepts about something tangible. It has meaning to them as opposed to random numbers listed from 1-50 on a page full of nothing but numbers.
 
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IPorange said:
If a child is having trouble getting through public school, perhaps it has nothing to do with the school's offerings. Public school is pretty basic, and the kids spend a lot of time there.

I think we have an expectation that there are no dumb kids. There are loads of them, coming from dumb parents. I mean, parents can teach their kids algebra at home too, if they think there is too little time spent on that in school for their slow child.
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Do you have any kids?? Have you seen how fast they go in some of these lessons that the teachers only a certain amount of time to teach?? I honestly wish school was a year round deal, then they could slow down somewhat and help those kids who just aren't as developed mentally as other kids at certain points in their youth. There are a lot of kids who don't hit their academic strides till later in their schooling, but that doesn't mean they are dumb in their early years. It seems like your throwing a blanket statement on all kids who just don't "get it" when other kids do.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Do you have any kids?? Have you seen how fast they go in some of these lessons that the teachers only a certain amount of time to teach?? I honestly wish school was a year round deal, then they could slow down somewhat and help those kids who just aren't as developed mentally as other kids at certain points in their youth. There are a lot of kids who don't hit their academic strides till later in their schooling, but that doesn't mean they are dumb in their early years. It seems like your throwing a blanket statement on all kids who just don't "get it" when other kids do.
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I thought you felt like education was too time-consuming in another thread, and that there should be abbreviated and accelerated programs that just cut to the stuff "you'll actually need?" Now you're saying not everyone learns at the same pace, and it should be slowed down?

I'm really confused as to your views, here.


What is stopping you from teaching your kids year-round? Like, say, 2 hours an evening during the summer?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Do you have any kids?? Have you seen how fast they go in some of these lessons that the teachers only a certain amount of time to teach?? I honestly wish school was a year round deal, then they could slow down somewhat and help those kids who just aren't as developed mentally as other kids at certain points in their youth. There are a lot of kids who don't hit their academic strides till later in their schooling, but that doesn't mean they are dumb in their early years. It seems like your throwing a blanket statement on all kids who just don't "get it" when other kids do.
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They have programs (not trying to be insulting just trying to help) called Special Education for kids with specific learning disabilities. They go at a slower pace. Don't know if you have explored that option or if your child would qualify, but an option to try. Every school that I know of has an after school tutoring program, free of charge and on the teacher's own time. There is help out there if you need it. You just have to look and your child has to be willing to put the effort into it. I am in no way saying your child is like this, but too many students and parents want the teacher to just pour the information into the student's head. It doesn't work that way. The students and parent have to be as dedicated and committed to working hard as the teacher.
 
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IPorange said:
I thought you felt like education was too time-consuming in another thread, and that there should be abbreviated and accelerated programs that just cut to the stuff "you'll actually need?" Now you're saying not everyone learns at the same pace, and it should be slowed down?

I'm really confused as to your views, here.


What is stopping you from teaching your kids year-round? Like, say, 2 hours an evening during the summer?
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I was talking about job education. There are some people who get it in college, and there are others who need time to develop the skill set being taught, and the ones who can get it, should be moved ahead of the class in college. Here we are talking more about elementary kids than anything. That's where a lot of kids either hit their strides, or become stammered because of the amount of material covered in a short amount of time. If the kids that "get it" were in a class, and the kids that didn't "get it" as quick were in a different class, they might be more effective in their teachings. If one child can learn more than another, why make the child who can learn more wait, while the others bog down the classroom?? It works in both settings. Then, not only does the classroom become more effective, the teachers work load is reduced dramatically, since smaller classes equals more hands on learning for kids.
 
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JayVols said:
They have programs (not trying to be insulting just trying to help) called Special Education for kids with specific learning disabilities. They go at a slower pace. Don't know if you have explored that option or if your child would qualify, but an option to try. Every school that I know of has an after school tutoring program, free of charge and on the teacher's own time. There is help out there if you need it. You just have to look and your child has to be willing to put the effort into it. I am in no way saying your child is like this, but too many students and parents want the teacher to just pour the information into the student's head. It doesn't work that way. The students and parent have to be as dedicated and committed to working hard as the teacher.
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I wish you could see the string of emails over the past two years, in regards to my daughter's teachers, and the multiple PTC's I have been to. My daughter is very strong willed, so it's hard to get her to realize things sometimes, but her teachers just don't have the patience or knowledge to understand how to reach kids like this in a lot of situations. It's been a struggle with her to get her to realize that she has to be accountable herself, and we can't do it for her. We encourage her, try to give her everything she needs to succeed, but you can lead a horse to water and you know the rest. It's difficult dealing with a child like this, but we are trying to make the best of it.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I wish you could see the string of emails over the past two years, in regards to my daughter's teachers, and the multiple PTC's I have been to. My daughter is very strong willed, so it's hard to get her to realize things sometimes, but her teachers just don't have the patience or knowledge to understand how to reach kids like this in a lot of situations. It's been a struggle with her to get her to realize that she has to be accountable herself, and we can't do it for her. We encourage her, try to give her everything she needs to succeed, but you can lead a horse to water and you know the rest. It's difficult dealing with a child like this, but we are trying to make the best of it.
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I understand your point, and am sorry this is happening. But, you have to realize that teachers have many other kids in class. Should they sacrifice the whole to address one admittedly stubborn student? I honestly am not trying to be cruel or non sympathetic. I feel your pain. I see these kids every day, more and more each year. There comes a point that you have to focus on those willing after every attempt has been exhausted. Once again, not trying to be judgmental (my wife had to come to this realization as well), there comes a point in time that you have to assert that you are the adult, they are the child, and they will do what you say. If they choose not to, the consequences will be severe and unpleasant. Some kids have to be shown that there are real consequences for our actions and choices. Just remember you are the adult, and are the one in charge.
 
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yoyoyoyo said:
That is not what this program is designed to reward the schools for doing. It is about pushing an agenda.

If individual science teachers wanted to have a discussion about finding new domestic energy sources such as more drilling, nuclear, etc. while new technologies were in development then that would be fine as along as the teacher presented a factual unbiased view. However these discussions should not take aware from other instructional areas.
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Can you say, "Scopes Monkey Trial"?

Anyone else see the parallel?
 
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JayVols said:
I understand your point, and am sorry this is happening. But, you have to realize that teachers have many other kids in class. Should they sacrifice the whole to address one admittedly stubborn student? I honestly am not trying to be cruel or non sympathetic. I feel your pain. I see these kids every day, more and more each year. There comes a point that you have to focus on those willing after every attempt has been exhausted. Once again, not trying to be judgmental (my wife had to come to this realization as well), there comes a point in time that you have to assert that you are the adult, they are the child, and they will do what you say. If they choose not to, the consequences will be severe and unpleasant. Some kids have to be shown that there are real consequences for our actions and choices. Just remember you are the adult, and are the one in charge.
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If it was that easy for us, it would have already been done. Unfortunately for me, I didn't get to be around my child till she was 6, so I missed a BOATLOAD of time in her development, and so did my wife, because she was overseas.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If it was that easy for us, it would have already been done. Unfortunately for me, I didn't get to be around my child till she was 6, so I missed a BOATLOAD of time in her development, and so did my wife, because she was overseas.
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Good luck and my sincere best wishes to you and your family.:hi:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
They need to concentrate on how to get our students to do better in the classroom, not indoctrinating them into the climate change conspiracy. They do know that the more people buy the technology, the more money they have for R&D.
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There is no conspiracy as far as climate change is concerned. It is real. The causes are debated. Of course, only about one scientist in every hundred think global warming is a hoax.
 
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shortgameVol said:
There is no conspiracy as far as climate change is concerned. It is real. The causes are debated. Of course, only about one scientist in every hundred think global warming is a hoax.
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Really?

Hundreds of private e-mail messages and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change.

In one e-mail exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical “trick” in a chart illustrating a recent sharp warming trend. In another, a scientist refers to climate skeptics as “idiots.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html

I'm not saying climate change doesn't exist. It most certainly does. And humans have an impact, but it's uncertain how much of an impact there is.

All I'm saying is there are a lot of people that gain from the global warming hysteria. Al Gore created a carbon credit business* 2 years before the release of An Inconvenient Truth. These scientists clearly conspired to deceive the public and to blackball scientists that disagree with them.

*When he got busted for using 18 times the energy the normal American household uses, Al Gore claimed he was buying carbon credits to offset his consumption. He bought the carbon credits from himself! This is a total scam.
 
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My only objection to this is the extent to which it encourages a focus on environmentalism to the detriment (in terms of time spent, coverage, competency) in the 3 Rs.

We've seen 2 - 3 decades of such initiatives in public school while we seemingly ignore the value of the basics.
 
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JayVols said:
Joe, how do you know so much about our schools?
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nbakerld said:
Really?



Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute - NYTimes.com

I'm not saying climate change doesn't exist. It most certainly does. And humans have an impact, but it's uncertain how much of an impact there is.

All I'm saying is there are a lot of people that gain from the global warming hysteria. Al Gore created a carbon credit business* 2 years before the release of An Inconvenient Truth. These scientists clearly conspired to deceive the public and to blackball scientists that disagree with them.

*When he got busted for using 18 times the energy the normal American household uses, Al Gore claimed he was buying carbon credits to offset his consumption. He bought the carbon credits from himself! This is a total scam.
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That whole controversy was drummed up to time with the Copenhagen conference. If you read the emails and have a working knowledge of statistics, you will see that there is no conspiracy there.

But I know how you love conspiracies.
 
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And almost all the scientists who say global warming is a hoax are also believers in intelligent design. Coincidental correlation? I doubt it

For many on the right, it's all about the messenger and nothing more. Had some high profile republican brought the issue to the forefront, people like JoeVol and the hardcore conservatives would be in lock step with the phenomena
 
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shortgameVol said:
And almost all the scientists who say global warming is a hoax are also believers in intelligent design. Coincidental correlation? I doubt it

For many on the right, it's all about the messenger and nothing more. Had some high profile republican brought the issue to the forefront, people like JoeVol and the hardcore conservatives would be in lock step with the phenomena
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link to support any of this? otherwise it just reads like the same unsupported conspiracy crap you are criticizing.
 
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IPorange said:
That whole controversy was drummed up to time with the Copenhagen conference. If you read the emails and have a working knowledge of statistics, you will see that there is no conspiracy there.

But I know how you love conspiracies.
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Maybe not conspiracy, but strategized misinformation? When climate change activists don't even know about 10 years of global cooling, you kind of have to wonder what's going on with this movement. It's like protesting a war that doesn't exist. She won't even believe Lord Monckton's facts, she's so wrapped up in the propaganda.

YouTube - Lord Monckton Vs. Greenpeace: On The Streets - Dropping InfoBombs - ClimateGate Global Warming Hoax
 
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If you go to the EPA website you can find a link to a
rap video promoting 'greenism' directed at impressionable
youngsters.

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“When an opponent declares, "I will not come over
to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to
us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your
descendants, however, now stand in the new camp.
In a short time they will know nothing else but this
new community.”
Adolf Hitler (German Chancellor, leader of the Nazi party)

American Thinker: The Nazi Origins of Apocalyptic Global Warming Theory

"The most widely represented group of people in the
Nazi Party was the greens, and Guenther Schwab
was just one of among many."

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Alinski rules for radicals # 3. "Whenever possible, go
outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways
to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty."

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Hopefully this makes the full loop to where somehow wolf reintroduction in Yellowstone is tied to Islamic terrorism like one of these threads managed to do a few years back.
 
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volinbham said:
link to support any of this? otherwise it just reads like the same unsupported conspiracy crap you are criticizing.
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The first paragraph has plenty of support to back it up. I've read those correlations dozens of times. Use google

The second paragraph is an educated opinion
 
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Gemeinnutzgeht vor Eigennutz. (The common good
supersedes the private good.) ~ Nazi slogan Prologue -
Fanatical environmentalism, vegetarianism, animal
rights and public health are four progressive policy
initiatives that most people would not readily
associate with Hitler and the Nazis. ....Indeed,
"organic" and "holistic" were the Nazi terms of art for
totalitarianism.

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yoyoyoyo said:
Obama Administration to Honor ?Green? Schools That Teach ?Environmental Literacy? | NewsBusters.org

“Preparing our children to be good environmental citizens is some of the most important work any of us can do,” U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said when he announced the new program last month.

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This is ridiculous. Reading. Math. Science. These are the things that should be the focus of school. Attempts to indoctrinate kids toward liberal or conservative political philosophies should be banned.
 
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