Obama extends hospital visitation rights to same-sex partners of gays

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g8terh8ter_eric said:
A hospital isn't a typical business though. If you have someone you trust to make life or death decisions for you, it shouldn't matter who it is, the hospital should respect that, as long as there is proper documentation for it. I'm not advocating homosexuality by my stance, just lobbying that people should be able to make their own decisions based on their beliefs, without some bureaucrat telling them no. A hospital can be and is worse than the government is in a lot of aspects.
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It is a legal liability issue. This opens the door for more lawsuits to be brought against the hospitals.
I could give a rats arse about who they want to decide but you better believe that the ambulance chaser will have a field day with this one.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
A hospital isn't a typical business though. If you have someone you trust to make life or death decisions for you, it shouldn't matter who it is, the hospital should respect that, as long as there is proper documentation for it. I'm not advocating homosexuality by my stance, just lobbying that people should be able to make their own decisions based on their beliefs, without some bureaucrat telling them no. A hospital can be and is worse than the government is in a lot of aspects.
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That's the thing. This issue would never even come up where proper documentation is provided (i.e., power of attorney for health care decisions). Where this will be an issue is in the case of a person who has been injured in a way that they are unable to make decisions of their own (in a vegetable state, coma, etc.) and there is no power of attorney. Very important medical decisions will need to be made and, as of now, those decisions are generally limited to immediate family.
 
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T-TownVol said:
It is a legal liability issue. This opens the door for more lawsuits to be brought against the hospitals.
I could give a rats arse about who they want to decide but you better believe that the ambulance chaser will have a field day with this one.
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If it's properly documented and power of attorney has been provided, who freaking cares if any ambulance chaser gets involved?? It won't matter, it's an open and shut case if things are properly documented.
 
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paul1454 said:
That's the thing. This issue would never even come up where proper documentation is provided (i.e., power of attorney for health care decisions). Where this will be an issue is in the case of a person who has been injured in a way that they are unable to make decisions of their own (in a vegetable state, coma, etc.) and there is no power of attorney. Very important medical decisions will need to be made and, as of now, those decisions are generally limited to immediate family.
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That's true as well, I can't argue that.
 
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VolInMn said:
Here, let me help:

The new rule will affect any hospital that receives Medicare or Medicaid funding, a move that covers the vast majority of the nation's health-care institutions.

Also, if you knew half of what you thought you knew, you'd be twice as smart as you are now.
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You just helped make my point. BHO thinks because the hospital gets federal money, he can regulate them with an executive order.
Was it the word "private" that threw you off. Private hospital get payments from Medicare and caid also. Sorry to whizz that one over your head.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If it's properly documented and power of attorney has been provided, who freaking cares if any ambulance chaser gets involved?? It won't matter, it's an open and shut case if things are properly documented.
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Yeah, the government is SOOOO good at paperwork.
 
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paul1454 said:
That's the thing. This issue would never even come up where proper documentation is provided (i.e., power of attorney for health care decisions). Where this will be an issue is in the case of a person who has been injured in a way that they are unable to make decisions of their own (in a vegetable state, coma, etc.) and there is no power of attorney. Very important medical decisions will need to be made and, as of now, those decisions are generally limited to immediate family.
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I assumed that people knew this....I guess I was wrong.
good post
 
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VolInMn said:
You should really read the article before you open your mouth.
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I admit, you should have directed this statement at me. When I read that it permitted partners to make medical decisions of their partner, I assumed it was extending immediate family status on partners - as required to make medical decisions for an incapacitated patient. It doesn't do that. It really only applies to visitation rights. Therefore, please disregard pretty much everything I have had to say on this matter. :)
 
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paul1454 said:
I admit, you should have directed this statement at me. When I read that it permitted partners to make medical decisions of their partner, I assumed it was extending immediate family status on partners - as required to make medical decisions for an incapacitated patient. It doesn't do that. It really only applies to visitation rights. Therefore, please disregard pretty much everything I have had to say on this matter. :)
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Which, as I argued, if you put them on the paperwork as immediate family, who cares??
 
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paul1454 said:
I admit, you should have directed this statement at me. When I read that it permitted partners to make medical decisions of their partner, I assumed it was extending immediate family status on partners - as required to make medical decisions for an incapacitated patient. It doesn't do that. It really only applies to visitation rights. Therefore, please disregard pretty much everything I have had to say on this matter. :)
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I opened the door wider and your comments were correct as to the direction that the thread turned.
The President has nothing better to do than worry about who can visit who in a hospital?
 
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T-TownVol said:
you are going in circles...you just agreed with Paul and then throw this out...if it is done properly, this is a non issue
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I know, that's all I was saying. We all know though, most American's don't do things properly, and power of attorney is one of the big ones that they negate. If someone hasn't made a power of attorney, especially as a homosexual, then their partner isn't going to have any control over what happens. This is about visitation rights though, which is something that can be taken care of easily though by the patient.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Which, as I argued, if you put them on the paperwork as immediate family, who cares??
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Even though I think I may have got us sidetracked on medical decision making when the order doesn't really deal with that, I will add that intake sheets (what I assume you are referring to) don't really cut it. When people are in the situation where they can't make medical decisions on their own, someone else is often filling out their intake sheets for them. Permitting someone else to delegate control of your medical decisions is hard to justify.

EDIT: I suppose the same reasoning applies to visitation as well. I'm all for allowing visitation to same sex partners. My only thing is that it would be better if they had a way to verify their status before granting visitation (they won't have the same last name, marriage certificate, etc.).
 
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paul1454 said:
Even though I think I may have got us sidetracked on medical decision making when the order doesn't really deal with that, I will add that intake sheets (what I assume you are referring to) don't really cut it. When people are in the situation where they can't make medical decisions on their own, someone else is often filling out their intake sheets for them. Permitting someone else to delegate control of your medical decisions is hard to justify.

EDIT: I suppose the same reasoning applies to visitation as well.
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And if I am 30 years old, my mother would be more apt to decide what is best for me, especially if I have been out of their house for years?? It's all a slippery slope.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
And if I am 30 years old, my mother would be more apt to decide what is best for me, especially if I have been out of their house for years?? It's all a slippery slope.
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Haha, I understand your point. But, I would argue that family - in general - would be better suited to make those decisions than a friend or an acquaintance.
 
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paul1454 said:
Haha, I understand your point. But, I would argue that family - in general - would be better suited to make those decisions than a friend or an acquaintance.
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If I have a woman living with me for a LONG period of time, and she knows me better at the time than my parents, who do you think would be better suited to make that decision. Once again, this is all a slippery slope.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If I have a woman living with me for a LONG period of time, and she knows me better at the time than my parents, who do you think would be better suited to make that decision. Once again, this is all a slippery slope.
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Give that woman a power of attorney and you won't have to worry about it!
 
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paul1454 said:
Give that woman a power of attorney and you won't have to worry about it!
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But, if it's not done, what does she do?? She gets to see years of service and love go down the drain, and there is nothing she can do about it. That would almost be more scarful, than actually pulling the plug.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If I have a woman living with me for a LONG period of time, and she knows me better at the time than my parents, who do you think would be better suited to make that decision. Once again, this is all a slippery slope.
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that is my point in all this....it is a decision for the law makers....NOT BHO
(hey vinmn, we are talking about something besides what your "visitation" article discussed.....just did not want you to get your panties in a wad)
 
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T-TownVol said:
that is my point in all this....it is a decision for the law makers....NOT BHO
(hey vinmn, we are talking about something besides what your "visitation" article discussed.....just did not want you to get your panties in a wad)
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Neither one should make that decision, IMO.
 
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T-TownVol said:
(hey vinmn, we are talking about something besides what your "visitation" article discussed.....just did not want you to get your panties in a wad)
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No worries, mate. It would take a lot more than this board to get my panties in a wad. :hi:
 
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T-TownVol said:
but, hospital ARE bound by the law and right now it states that only family members or power of attorney rights, have the power to make these decisions
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I understand that, but still, I don't think life or death decisions should be regulated by those who don't even know the person, no matter the situation.
 
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