Obama foreign policy has cost American servicemen's lives.

[utvolpj]

Are you kidding or being serious about being called a Bama troll? I can't imagine someone actually said that...

100% serious. I believe he said he couldn't believe VN would make a bama troll a mod

 

[dukes_of_maggard]

100% serious. I believe he said he couldn't believe VN would make a bama troll a mod

Pure gold

 

[DinkinFlicka]

And this means absolutely nothing coming from a socialist lib. When you or anyone else can refute what he posts with documented (blogs or whatever) statements, you can have some cred, until then, you are simply another liberal whiner without a platform to stand on.....bruh.

Do you even know what socialism is?

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[PKT_VOL]

And this means absolutely nothing coming from a socialist lib. When you or anyone else can refute what he posts with documented (blogs or whatever) statements, you can have some cred, until then, you are simply another liberal whiner without a platform to stand on.....bruh.

Seriously? You can't be serious.

 

[gsvol]

Finally been called a socialist on VN...it's a proud day for me.

I voted for Bush in 04 and McCain in 08 FYI - I do actually consider myself independent. I think it's best to examine the candidates individually rather than just labeling everyone a socialist (though I am seriously proud of that)

So you were in junior high in 2001 and voted in 2004?

You must have failed a few grades.

If you have truly considered a choice between Obama and Romney why would you not choose Romney over Obama?

it's been done many times but doesn't matter. He'll just continue to copy/paste spam blogs and post bad photoshops that most people ignore.

So you ignore the topic of the thread.

You ignore that his post wasn't addressed to me.

You continue a personal attack against another poster (me) in violation of board rules but;

You can't ignore the fact that Obama's foreign policy has resulted in the death of our ambassador and his three top assistants in addition to his policy in Afghanistan and other countries.

(unsubstantuated reports say that three Marines responding to the Libyan attack were also killed.)

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Let's tally up the casualties of American servicemen under the leadership of every president before crying about our dear leader.

Also, you whine more than a foogin little girl.

 

[utvolpj]

So you ignore the topic of the thread.

You ignore that his post wasn't addressed to me.

You continue a personal attack against another poster (me) in violation of board rules but;

there were no personal attacks by me and I answered the topic of the thread with my first post. Your understanding of it is out of my hands

You can't ignore the fact that Obama's foreign policy has resulted in the death of our ambassador and his three top assistants in addition to his policy in Afghanistan and other countries.

(unsubstantuated reports say that three Marines responding to the Libyan attack were also killed.)

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

never have disputed it. However if you're claiming this is unique to the current POTUS then you'll have to provide some other evidence. Which POTUS has never had an American die overseas on his watch?

 

[gsvol]

there were no personal attacks by me and I answered the topic of the thread with my first post. Your understanding of it is out of my hands

Well then, did you delete a post of mine in the Sept. 11 thread?

If so, what was your objection to it?

never have disputed it. However if you're claiming this is unique to the current POTUS then you'll have to provide some other evidence. Which POTUS has never had an American die overseas on his watch?

So then you agree with me that Obama has made policy that cost American lives?

The point was that Obama's policy resulted in piss poor vetting of those we were to assume were allies when they were actually enemies.

I don't think we have ever had a president previous to this one that has given top secret security clearance to either muslim brotherhood members or were closely connected, (not to meniton one to the pedophile who had previously been the president of PSU.)

Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - Americas - World - The Independent

The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach, The Independent can reveal.

American officials believe the attack was planned, but Chris Stevens had been back in the country only a short while and the details of his visit to Benghazi, where he and his staff died, were meant to be confidential.

The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach, The Independent can reveal.

American officials believe the attack was planned, but Chris Stevens had been back in the country only a short while and the details of his visit to Benghazi, where he and his staff died, were meant to be confidential.

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.
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Senior officials are increasingly convinced, however, that the ferocious nature of the Benghazi attack, in which rocket-propelled grenades were used, indicated it was not the result of spontaneous anger due to the video, called Innocence of Muslims. Patrick Kennedy, Under-Secretary at the State Department, said he was convinced the assault was planned due to its extensive nature and the proliferation of weapons.

There is growing belief that the attack was in revenge for the killing in a drone strike in Pakistan of Mohammed Hassan Qaed, an al-Qa'ida operative who was, as his nom-de-guerre Abu Yahya al-Libi suggests, from Libya, and timed for the anniversary of the 11 September attacks.
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An eight-strong American rescue team was sent from Tripoli and taken by troops under Captain Fathi al- Obeidi, of the February 17 Brigade, to the secret safe house to extract around 40 US staff. The building then came under fire from heavy weapons. "I don't know how they found the place to carry out the attack. It was planned, the accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any ordinary revolutionaries," said Captain Obeidi. "It began to rain down on us, about six mortars fell directly on the path to the villa."

US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens raped before he was murdered | NowPublic News Coverage

Once again Obama administration drops the ball on foreign policy at the cost of American lives.

According to Libyan sources and other foreign journalists, US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens was raped prior to his murder at the hands of Muslim militants who had already gotten inside the US Embassy in Benghazi, Libya prior to the outbreak of violence. The question begs for an answer, who let them in, thus compromising US compound security, and why did our embassy security contingent allow the embassy grounds to be breached?

Just minutes before the fatal attack it has been reported that the US Embassy issued an apology to Muslims for any actions by the US that have resulted in offending Muslim faith and the Islamic religion.
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As the militants who had raped, brutalized, and murdered Ambassador Stevens paraded his half naked body jubilantly through the streets of Benghazi, Libya the US media was putting out a story that a photo depicting J. Christopher’s battered half nude body being carried by one of the militants was somehow being rushed to the nearest hospital? Give me a break!

Already the American mainstream media was looking for a way to cover for President Obama’s blatant ineptitude and failed foreign policy by making a sickening excuse for a brutal image that gave us a candid insight into the savagery of the Muslim intolerance for any ideology but their own. If a picture were worth a thousand words, than the photo of the ill fated US Ambassador’s brutalized remains being dragged through the streets of Libya should have been a crude wake up call for not only the bumbling Obama State Department, but for the American people, who are still unaware of just how bad the President and Secretary of state have botched foreign relations and left us knowingly at the mercy of our enemies.

What do you have to say about that?

 

[therealUT]

So then you agree with me that Obama has made policy that cost American lives?

Any President who has ever promulgated any policy can, more than likely, be said to have cost Americans their lives. Moreover, Obama's policy in Afghanistan (establish a stable, representative government) is simply an extension of GWB's policy. If we see how Obama is approaching the problem of terrorists in Yemen, we see that Obama would be fine with just killing them from afar without putting boots on the ground and setting up some form of a more stable nation.

Note: I am not calling Obama's policy in Yemen right; I am simply contrasting the different ends that Obama and GWB ostensibly promote.

The point was that Obama's policy resulted in piss poor vetting of those we were to assume were allies when they were actually enemies.

One cannot place this squarely on the shoulders of the Obama Admin. The commanders on the ground should have vetted his proposal and responded by stating that such a timeline will lead to a lack of proper vetting and, therefore, put the troops at even greater risk. If the highest commanders in Afghanistan signed off on, or tacitly agreed by not resigning on the spot (something that should be expected if it was so foreseeable that the timeline would result in such travesties), then they shoulder the responsibility, since they could actually see the flaws in the plan, yet they accepted and acted upon it.

I don't think we have ever had a president previous to this one that has given top secret security clearance to either muslim brotherhood members or were closely connected, (not to meniton one to the pedophile who had previously been the president of PSU.)

Can you provide a source to support your statement that members of the Muslim Brotherhood had TS clearances?

 

[MG1968]

Let's tally up the casualties of American servicemen under the leadership of every president before crying about our dear leader.

Also, you whine more than a foogin little girl.

FDR and Woodrow Wilson win that competition, hands down.

 

[dukes_of_maggard]

So you were in junior high in 2001 and voted in 2004?

You must have failed a few grades.

Go back and read it again, chief...Junior in high school in 2001, I voted in 2004 my second year in college

 

[DinkinFlicka]

FDR and Woodrow Wilson win that competition, hands down.

And neither of those men are named Barack Obama...

Hey! How 'bout that... there's the point I was making.

 

[gsvol]

1. Any President who has ever promulgated any policy can, more than likely, be said to have cost Americans their lives. Moreover, Obama's policy in Afghanistan (establish a stable, representative government) is simply an extension of GWB's policy. If we see how Obama is approaching the problem of terrorists in Yemen, we see that Obama would be fine with just killing them from afar without putting boots on the ground and setting up some form of a more stable nation.

Note: I am not calling Obama's policy in Yemen right; I am simply contrasting the different ends that Obama and GWB ostensibly promote.




2. One cannot place this squarely on the shoulders of the Obama Admin. The commanders on the ground should have vetted his proposal and responded by stating that such a timeline will lead to a lack of proper vetting and, therefore, put the troops at even greater risk. If the highest commanders in Afghanistan signed off on, or tacitly agreed by not resigning on the spot (something that should be expected if it was so foreseeable that the timeline would result in such travesties), then they shoulder the responsibility, since they could actually see the flaws in the plan, yet they accepted and acted upon it.



3. Can you provide a source to support your statement that members of the Muslim Brotherhood had TS clearances?

1. Yes but we are talking about Obama.
In Afghanistan he has imposed unreasonable ROIs.
He turns captured taliban Afghans over to the Afgan government and they are released if they sign a paper saying they won't continue the fight.
The Afghans control all the prisons except for one that holds the most dangerous prisoners, mostly foreigners who have come to perform jihad against Americans and the Afghan government is demanding we surrender that prison also, we havn't so far because of the possibility the Afghans will turn them loose or bribes will be taken and there will be a jail break as has already happened more than once.
In order to try to hurry things up we have allowed infiltration of the Afghan security forces because we havn't been properly vetting enlistees which has resulted in the loss of Americans lives for the sake of political expediency.

2. When Obama was elected some wondered if he had the backbone to prevent the MB and one of it's militant arms, al Qaeda, from taking over all of north Africa and parts central Africa.
He has not only not prevented it, he has actively and avidly abetted it, starting with his major foreign policy speech in Cairo at which he demanded of Mubarak that the leadership of the outlawed MB be allowed to attend.
How is that Arab Spring working for you now?

3. See Huma Abedin Weiner for starters.

Go back and read it again, chief...Junior in high school in 2001, I voted in 2004 my second year in college

My bad, I misread misremembered your post.
You have a pretty good voting record although you didn't have much to choose from.

Don't ruin it now by voting for Obama.

When Carter was president our embassy people were held hostage in Iran for 444 days, as soon as Reagan was elected they were released.

When we elect Romney you will see a lot of our enemies change their tune right quick.

Should we make the mistake of reelecting Obama you will see things get worse in every way rapidly.

I replied to your post (one of the few that adressed the topic instead of blaming me for some insane, inane reason) in the 9/11 thread.

For some reason unknown to me my post was deleted.

In it I said that on 9/11/01 I was in a motel and when I called a friend he said tune in the news, so I sat and watched for the rest of the day.

I saw the burning tower, saw the second plane hit and saw the towers colapse.

We should never forget who did it and why they did.

 

[PKT_VOL]

GS, has Obama done anything right in your eyes?

 

[therealUT]

1. Yes but we are talking about Obama.
In Afghanistan he has imposed unreasonable ROIs.
He turns captured taliban Afghans over to the Afgan government and they are released if they sign a paper saying they won't continue the fight.
The Afghans control all the prisons except for one that holds the most dangerous prisoners, mostly foreigners who have come to perform jihad against Americans and the Afghan government is demanding we surrender that prison also, we havn't so far because of the possibility the Afghans will turn them loose or bribes will be taken and there will be a jail break as has already happened more than once.
In order to try to hurry things up we have allowed infiltration of the Afghan security forces because we havn't been properly vetting enlistees which has resulted in the loss of Americans lives for the sake of political expediency.

Have Obama's policies been, on their face, so unreasonable that there was no doubt they would put our troops at greater risk? Have the Commanders in Afghanistan chosen to carry out those policies rather than resign their commissions and step away from the mission?

These questions were the heart of what I asked earlier; you chose to not reply to them in any manner.

2. When Obama was elected some wondered if he had the backbone to prevent the MB and one of it's militant arms, al Qaeda, from taking over all of north Africa and parts central Africa.
He has not only not prevented it, he has actively and avidly abetted it, starting with his major foreign policy speech in Cairo at which he demanded of Mubarak that the leadership of the outlawed MB be allowed to attend.
How is that Arab Spring working for you now?

Is it unAmerican of Obama to demand that those with divergent opinions, no matter how pernicious those opinions (or how disastrous the influences of the opinions) are be granted a rights to speech in any nation?

3. See Huma Abedin Weiner for starters.

You must be joking. Do you honestly believe in guilt-by-association? Moreover, even if you do, are you going to put all the responsibility for Abedin on Obama's shoulders, in light of the support Abedin has received from McCain, Boehner, etc.?

 

[milohimself]

First I'm not a republican

Right. And LG is undecided until he steps into the voting booth.

And this means absolutely nothing coming from a socialist lib. When you or anyone else can refute what he posts with documented (blogs or whatever) statements, you can have some cred, until then, you are simply another liberal whiner without a platform to stand on.....bruh.

It happens all the damned time.

The "socialist/lib" label is quickly becoming this forum's own little Godwin's law.

 

[gsvol]

GS, has Obama done anything right in your eyes?

Not anything important that I can think of.

Why don't you list the things he has done right in your eyes?

Have Obama's policies been, on their face, so unreasonable that there was no doubt they would put our troops at greater risk? Have the Commanders in Afghanistan chosen to carry out those policies rather than resign their commissions and step away from the mission?

These questions were the heart of what I asked earlier; you chose to not reply to them in any manner.



Is it unAmerican of Obama to demand that those with divergent opinions, no matter how pernicious those opinions (or how disastrous the influences of the opinions) are be granted a rights to speech in any nation?



You must be joking. Do you honestly believe in guilt-by-association? Moreover, even if you do, are you going to put all the responsibility for Abedin on Obama's shoulders, in light of the support Abedin has received from McCain, Boehner, etc.?

A resounding YES!

A fine example would be the eight Marines killed after being told they would receive artillary cover but none ever came because they were within one mile of an Afghan villiage. If they had been told they were getting no help then they would have had a fighting chance of breaking out of their ambushed position.

Obama has only attended 43% of his intelligence briefings, that is not only unhered of, that is dereliction of duty.

FWIW, both McLame and Boneheader suck big time, they and those like them are what is wrong with the Republican party. There actuallyould be an congressional investigation into MB influence on this administration, if they have nothing to hide then why run away from such and investigation?

Right. And LG is undecided until he steps into the voting booth.

I have voted in 12 presidential elections, I have voted Republican three times and would have written in candidates in 2008 if I had more time.

The grandkids were in the car as I went to vote early and the family wanted me to hurry.

2012 will be my 13th, hope that isn't a jinx, you can damned well be reassured I will be voting for Romney.

It happens all the damned time.

The "socialist/lib" label is quickly becoming this forum's own little Godwin's law.

Yep and by your own admission are biased toward the 'socialist/libs' and do everything you can do to suppress the voice of conservatives on this board.

Unfortunately many don't post here very long and move on to other places.

 

[therealUT]

A resounding YES!

So, where is your criticism of the commanders that saw these policies and decided to tacitly assent to them and act upon them, instead of standing for what they believe in and stepping down in protest?

 

[milohimself]

gs you sure do spend a lot of time on here shilling for a party you don't often vote for.

 

[milohimself]

Yep and by your own admission are biased toward the 'socialist/libs' and do everything you can do to suppress the voice of conservatives on this board.

Unfortunately many don't post here very long and move on to other places.

Complete bull**** on both accounts.

Try again numbnuts.

 

[dukes_of_maggard]

I replied to your post (one of the few that adressed the topic instead of blaming me for some insane, inane reason) in the 9/11 thread.

For some reason unknown to me my post was deleted.

In it I said that on 9/11/01 I was in a motel and when I called a friend he said tune in the news, so I sat and watched for the rest of the day.

I saw the burning tower, saw the second plane hit and saw the towers colapse.

We should never forget who did it and why they did.

OK well I don't normally take seriously your posts but since you seem to be more reasonable today I will admit that I will most likely not vote at all, at least I'm not fired up about either candidate.

I don't take your posts seriously because I (perhaps optimistically) take your anti-islamic rhetoric as fringe craziness and not a belief held by most people.

 

[gsvol]

So, where is your criticism of the commanders that saw these policies and decided to tacitly assent to them and act upon them, instead of standing for what they believe in and stepping down in protest?

Why should I?

They live to fight another day, Obama won't be around all that long.

Hopefully we will have a worthy CIC soon.

gs you sure do spend a lot of time on here shilling for a party you don't often vote for.

Is that your best defense of Obama's idiotic foreign policy?

Remember what Truman said?:

"I don't give em hell, I give em the facts and they call it hell."

Complete bull**** on both accounts.

Try again numbnuts.

That's my view and I'm sticking to it.

We can agree to disagree on that.

I can agree to disagree without calling you a numbnuts or some other terms I have in mind.

Who said this?:

"If you can't discuss politics without getting angry then this is not for you. All regular board rules apply. Please respect each others opinion."

OK well I don't normally take seriously your posts but since you seem to be more reasonable today I will admit that I will most likely not vote at all, at least I'm not fired up about either candidate.

I don't take your posts seriously because I (perhaps optimistically) take your anti-islamic rhetoric as fringe craziness and not a belief held by most people.

Sometimes I don't take your's seriously because you are so naive.

Study the brutality of the 1400 years of real islamic history and I'm sure you will agree with me.

My belief has to do with the facts, most people hold beliefs based on deceipt.

 

[Slydell]

Why should I?

They live to fight another day, Obama won't be around all that long.

Hopefully we will have a worthy CIC soon.







Is that your best defense of Obama's idiotic foreign policy?

Remember what Truman said?:

"I don't give em hell, I give em the facts and they call it hell."







That's my view and I'm sticking to it.

We can agree to disagree on that.

I can agree to disagree without calling you a numbnuts or some other terms I have in mind.

Who said this?:

"If you can't discuss politics without getting angry then this is not for you. All regular board rules apply. Please respect each others opinion."








Sometimes I don't take your's seriously because you are so naive.

Study the brutality of the 1400 years of real islamic history and I'm sure you will agree with me.

My belief has to do with the facts, most people hold beliefs based on deceipt.

Not long, but another four years.

 

[Vol Main]

Finally been called a socialist on VN...it's a proud day for me.

I voted for Bush in 04 and McCain in 08 FYI - I do actually consider myself independent. I think it's best to examine the candidates individually rather than just labeling everyone a socialist (though I am seriously proud of that)

You voted Bush in 04 and McCain in 08? Those are some high powered socialist credentials right there...definitely a pinko liberal and possibly a closet commie Muslim.

 

[dukes_of_maggard]

You voted Bush in 04 and McCain in 08? Those are some high powered socialist credentials right there...definitely a pinko liberal and possibly a closet commie Muslim.

You must have found out about my "taxing the rich to give poor people Qurans" agenda...

we're starting a PAC to further our socialist/Islamic (henceforth called 'sociolasmic') goals