Obama has lost his 'public option' on healthcare

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rjd970 said:
Is there? How many insurance companies are going out of business because they don't cover the medical costs of their customers? And right now, having the words "free market" in any defense of the current system is disengenous.
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let them do it enough or start something akin to end of life counseling.
 
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I suppose we can thank Nancy Pelosi for this. Had she not changed the rules in the House that essentially made the GOP spectators, we might have had a bill that sailed through Congressional and conference committees before the August recess.

However, thanks to that evil woman's lust for power, Obama is left with egg on his face.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
let them do it enough or start something akin to end of life counseling.
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This still doesn't change the fact that, at this point anyway, any verbage to insurance companies being subjected to the free market is only lip service.
 
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MG1968 said:
the left likes to use the emotional canard of "people dying in the streets", but I have yet to see or hear any proof of that.
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And the right likes to use the emotional card of "death panels killing people", but I haven't seen any evidence of that either.
 
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rjd970 said:
This still doesn't change the fact that, at this point anyway, any verbage to insurance companies being subjected to the free market is only lip service.
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and that's because of government regulations.


And the right likes to use the emotional card of "death panels killing people", but I haven't seen any evidence of that either.
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and you won't, because Obamacare is failing.
 
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rjd970 said:
This still doesn't change the fact that, at this point anyway, any verbage to insurance companies being subjected to the free market is only lip service.
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that's because the government is enormously involved in the situation. Get them out and make it a market situation. Get the employers out as well and it will get even better. There are a lot of ways to make the insurance situation better, but some of the problem is our expectations after years of very cheap insurance and little medical expense relative to quality of care.
 
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I made this challenge a month ago and never got an answer.

NAME ONE PERSON IN AMERICA WITH CANCER, WHO HAS BEEN REFUSED TREATMENT!

NAME ONE PERSON RUSHED TO A HOSPITAL HAVING A HEART ATTACK, AND WAS TURNED AWAY!

Link it!
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes, but the very fact that some peoples claims were denied by health insurance companies was used by Obama and government option supporters as a selling point and sob story to try and muster support is an indictment on the left.

Both sides are guilty of half truths to sell their position to the people. IMO the vast majority of the people were able to see past both sides talking points and came to the conclusion that government is in no way able to run a program of this magnitude without running up huge deficits or increasing taxes on a public that is already reeling from the economic downturn.

It is a loss for the democrats and Obama in particular, he is backing off now because he knows if he continues it will be his end, his plan is not trusted by the average citizen and too many valid arguments have been made and he has been unable to give a believable answer for.

This is not a win for the republicans and they would be smart to spin it as one......this was about the American people and their opposition to Obama's plan, this was a win for the average American.
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I would agree with most of this. Throw out the loonies on the right and left, and focus on what many middle road americans were saying, and that is what will be the beginning of the end to this thing.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that's because the government is enormously involved in the situation. Get them out and make it a market situation. Get the employers out as well and it will get even better. There are a lot of ways to make the insurance situation better, but some of the problem is our expectations after years of very cheap insurance and little medical expense relative to quality of care.
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I'm not going to argue with any of that, but do you refuse treatment to somebody who wasn't smart enough to get insurance and comes to the ER in need of emergency treatment? And if not, who pays for it?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that's because the government is enormously involved in the situation. Get them out and make it a market situation. Get the employers out as well and it will get even better. There are a lot of ways to make the insurance situation better, but some of the problem is our expectations after years of very cheap insurance and little medical expense relative to quality of care.
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The #1 thing that would bring costs down overnight, is if the insurance companies did not have to manage seperate plans for every State. This is a huge expense for them and not necessary.
 
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T-TownVol said:
The #1 thing that would bring costs down overnight, is if the insurance companies did not have to manage seperate plans for every State. This is a huge expense for them and not necessary.
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Combine this with TORT reform, and we have the startings of meaningful healthcare changes.
 
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Another issue with Obama's plan came from within his own party. For a couple of weeks now their have been grumblings about the deals he made with the pharma companies. All this scrutiny is the reason he wanted it passed quickly.
 
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KB5252 said:
Another issue with Obama's plan came from within his own party. For a couple of weeks now their have been grumblings about the deals he made with the pharma companies. All this scrutiny is the reason he wanted it passed quickly.
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He promised the pharms that his administration would not "price fix" drug costs AND, this is the big one, would double the patent on new drugs. That alone doubles the cost of drugs for all Americans.
 
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Vote these despicable whores out and actually get people in who care...

I would give any thing for a viable third party!
 
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rjd970 said:
It's a shame that good ideas don't overlap with feasible ideas.
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BHO could have been a HERO if he was not so in favor of bigger government.
Oh, and his quote that "this is not about me" is a classic.
 
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T-TownVol said:
The #1 thing that would bring costs down overnight, is if the insurance companies did not have to manage seperate plans for every State. This is a huge expense for them and not necessary.
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I wouldn't be in a rush to federalize all the state insurance commissioners. They are your watchdogs. Although I left the insurance industry 15½ years ago, Tennessee's was at that time very effective in protecting the consumer and the insurance companies.

I will tell you one major factor in driving up insurance costs. FRAUD! Not just health insurance, all insurance. Companies spend billions every year to combat insurance fraud.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how? it got him elected. If he weren't full of socialism and lies, he would still be a community organizer in Chitown.
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Sorry, should have clarified..... on health care reform IF he did not want it to be run by the government. There are so many free market ways to reduce costs.
Keep me straight there big guy :hi:
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
I wouldn't be in a rush to federalize all the state insurance commissioners. They are your watchdogs. Although I left the insurance industry 15½ years ago, Tennessee's was at that time very effective in protecting the consumer and the insurance companies.

I will tell you one major factor in driving up insurance costs. FRAUD! Not just health insurance, all insurance. Companies spend billions every year to combat insurance fraud.
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I did not say to Federalize the State Commisioners. Each State still needs it's own to watch out for the citizens of their State. I said stop FORCING the companies to have seperate sub-companies for each State.
 
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T-TownVol said:
I did not say to Federalize the State Commisioners. Each State still needs it's own to watch out for the citizens of their State. I said stop FORCING the companies to have seperate sub-companies for each State.
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I misunderstood your meaning. My mistake, sir. :hi:
 
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T-TownVol said:
He promised the pharms that his administration would not "price fix" drug costs AND, this is the big one, would double the patent on new drugs. That alone doubles the cost of drugs for all Americans.
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actually, if you extend the time allowed for companies to keep their patents, the costs will be lower, because the company will have a longer period of time in which to recoup their R&D.

in a perfect world, anyway.
 
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