Obama: Health Care Reform 'Isn't About Me'

#1
OrangeEmpire

OrangeEmpire

The White Debonair
Joined
Nov 28, 2005
Messages
74,988
Likes
60
#1
Obama: Health Care Reform 'Isn't About Me'

President Barack Obama shot back at detractors on Monday, declaring that his ambitious health care reform effort "isn't about me" after opponents said they could win political ground by opposing him.

"This isn't about me. This isn't about politics. This is about a health care system that is breaking America's families, breaking America's businesses, and breaking America's economy," the president said, during a visit to an area hospital in Washington, D.C.

Obama's comments come amid a prediction last week by Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., that the president's health care plan would not pass Congress and that its failure could be Obama's "Waterloo."

DeMint predicting the failure will "break" Obama.

In his own comments, Obama referenced DeMint's dour prediction, saying he wanted to avoid the "politics of delay and defeat."
Click to expand...

Thoughts other than......

Local-Bull-C.jpg


29_front_bottled_baby_poop_small.jpg
 
#3
#3
notice during his speach that he no longer is saying healthcare for all americans. step one in the obama saving face parade.
 
#4
#4
This program is absolutely about Dems buying votes in perpetuity. Bush tried it with prescription drug plans and it did nothing for him but help him burst the hymen on any shred of credibility he had on fiscal restraint. Thereafter, he simply went stupid and continued losing votes.
 
#5
#5
He likes to say that the public is with him on this, but fails to mention the public's uneasiness about the cost. Sure they want reform, and he automatically props it up as them wanting his plan.
 
#6
#6
Do you think Obama even looks at plans that do not involve creating some kind of giant uber government health insurance company?
 
#9
#9
I watched his speech today and I AM SO FRIGGIN' TIRED of the crap he throws out about anyone that opposes his plan. He way over uses the special interests, being selfish, politics as usual, don't want change crap.

Why can't this man admit some people might have other ideas for solving the problem that they think are better.

Does he think we are all morons? (Nevermind, I know the answer to this one).
 
#10
#10
volinbham said:
I watched his speech today and I AM SO FRIGGIN' TIRED of the crap he throws out about anyone that opposes his plan. He way over uses the special interests, being selfish, politics as usual, don't want change crap.

Why can't this man admit some people might have other ideas for solving the problem that they think are better.

Does he think we are all morons? (Nevermind, I know the answer to this one).
Click to expand...

it's nice that obama and lawgator are both so in touch with joe sixpack.
 
#11
#11
volinbham said:
I watched his speech today and I AM SO FRIGGIN' TIRED of the crap he throws out about anyone that opposes his plan. He way over uses the special interests, being selfish, politics as usual, don't want change crap.

Why can't this man admit some people might have other ideas for solving the problem that they think are better.

Does he think we are all morons? (Nevermind, I know the answer to this one).
Click to expand...

What are the other ideas being thrown around?
 
#12
#12
rjd970 said:
What are the other ideas being thrown around?
Click to expand...

Any number of ways to pay for it, what gets covered, other ways to cut costs.

My point is that BO demonizes opposition by claiming for example that Republicans don't want to change healthcare - that's absurd. He paints them as simply obstructing this much needed reform when in fact they (any many Dems) have legit concerns and alternative solutions to some of the problems.

Frankly, it is the farthest thing from a new tone in Washington or any attempt at bi-partisan cooperation.
 
#13
#13
volinbham said:
Any number of ways to pay for it, what gets covered, other ways to cut costs.

My point is that BO demonizes opposition by claiming for example that Republicans don't want to change healthcare - that's absurd. He paints them as simply obstructing this much needed reform when in fact they (any many Dems) have legit concerns and alternative solutions to some of the problems.

Frankly, it is the farthest thing from a new tone in Washington or any attempt at bi-partisan cooperation.
Click to expand...


I never looked at it this way. And I think I agree. Good point.
 
#14
#14
Here's an example of what set me off:

"So I understand that some will try to delay action until the special interests can kill it while others will simply focus on scoring political points," the president said. "We've done that before. And we can choose to follow that playbook again, and then we'll never get over the goal line and will face an even greater crisis in the years to come."
Click to expand...

This is a BS argument. It's highly divisive to suggest opposition is simply trying to score political points. Ironically, it is he that is trying to score political points by making this statement. It debases all legit concerns with rushing through a HC bill simply because his political capital is running thin. It is irresponsible to set an immediate timeline to solve such a major problem.

His tactics are nothing new for a politician but once again that is the real story here.
 
#15
#15
How is Obama's new healthcare plan going to affect people that are already partially covered through their employer?
 
#16
#16
ladyVOLfan333 said:
How is Obama's new healthcare plan going to affect people that are already partially covered through their employer?
Click to expand...

i'm sure there will be a rash of companies dumping their health insurance and forcing people to go on the gov't plan.
 
#17
#17
droski said:
i'm sure there will be a rash of companies dumping their health insurance and forcing people to go on the gov't plan.
Click to expand...

Exactly, especially considering just about every company is looking for ways to reduce costs during this economic downturn. Companies will look at the bottom line and see the savings if they dump their health care option.
 
#18
#18
droski said:
i'm sure there will be a rash of companies dumping their health insurance and forcing people to go on the gov't plan.
Click to expand...


I figured a lot of small companies might do that.
I wonder about the ones that employee thousands of people such as Maytag, Whirlpool, M&M Mars, etc?...
 
#19
#19
ladyVOLfan333 said:
I figured a lot of small companies might do that.
I wonder about the ones that employee thousands of people such as Maytag, Whirlpool. M&M Mars, etc?...
Click to expand...

I know whirlpool has been shutting down facilities, it would in no way surprise me to see them drop their offered plans, certainly not right away, but down the road it is a possibility.
 
#20
#20
volinbham said:
This is a BS argument. It's highly divisive to suggest opposition is simply trying to score political points. Ironically, it is he that is trying to score political points by making this statement. It debases all legit concerns with rushing through a HC bill simply because his political capital is running thin. It is irresponsible to set an immediate timeline to solve such a major problem.

His tactics are nothing new for a politician but once again that is the real story here.
Click to expand...

VBH....I just don't see it. Have you read the latest AP article on Obama and what he is saying about the opposition to healthcare reform?

Obama May Have to Wait for Health Care Passage - Political News - FOXNews.com

Here is a few highlights that don't exactly flow with your accusations:

Referring to objections from a group of conservative Democrats in the House, Obama said, "I think, rightly, a number of these so called Blue Dog Democrats -- more conservative Democrats -- were concerned that not enough had been done on reducing costs."
Click to expand...

Obama said those issues can be addressed as the legislation keeps moving forward. Congress has already spent years studying and debating the problems in the health care system, he said.
Click to expand...

While at the same time, the GOP is saying things like:

One Republican senator says if the party can stop Obama on health care, it will break him.
Click to expand...

Last week, DeMint was quoted as telling fellow conservatives: "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."
Click to expand...


Now, don't get me wrong....I am certainly not a fan of UHC, and people like Michael Steele and some of the GOP in congress are making legitimate points. But there is in fact some of this "let's just break Obama" mentality going on. I don't think Obama is accusing everybody of obstructionism, just those that are doing it...and I also think he realizes the legitimate concerns that are being said and wants to work through them.
 
#21
#21
rjd970 said:
VBH....I just don't see it. Have you read the latest AP article on Obama and what he is saying about the opposition to healthcare reform?

Obama May Have to Wait for Health Care Passage - Political News - FOXNews.com

Here is a few highlights that don't exactly flow with your accusations:





While at the same time, the GOP is saying things like:






Now, don't get me wrong....I am certainly not a fan of UHC, and people like Michael Steele and some of the GOP in congress are making legitimate points. But there is in fact some of this "let's just break Obama" mentality going on. I don't think Obama is accusing everybody of obstructionism, just those that are doing it...and I also think he realizes the legitimate concerns that are being said and wants to work through them.
Click to expand...

Make no mistake here, Obama is pushing this bill, even though there are many flaws and a complete lack of understanding of what the bill actually means as far as it's implications. Saying that things can be tweaked as it moves forward is insulting. It is actions like this that have led to the garbage we have been saddled with over the years. Obama knows he needs this bill to pass, he has broken so many of his campaign promises he cannot afford to look like he lost on this one.

As far as the Waterloo comment goes it is opposition to him doggedly trying to push a bill that many, maybe even the majority of Americans think will further hurt the country.
 
#22
#22
So, if someone loses their healthcare ins. through their employer, the new Universal plan would then cover them automatically?...

I worry about these things because my husband is a heart patient who has to go for several yearly check-ups and is on lots of heart meds that his current ins. helps pay for.
 
#23
#23
rjd970 said:
Now, don't get me wrong....I am certainly not a fan of UHC, and people like Michael Steele and some of the GOP in congress are making legitimate points. But there is in fact some of this "let's just break Obama" mentality going on. I don't think Obama is accusing everybody of obstructionism, just those that are doing it...and I also think he realizes the legitimate concerns that are being said and wants to work through them.
Click to expand...

this is how obama is trying to paint the situation certainly, but he wants it his way or the highway. that much is obvious. do the republicans want to see obama go down in flames on this issue? certainly. but that doesn't mean they don't have legit points.
 
Last edited:
#24
#24
KB5252 said:
Make no mistake here, Obama is pushing this bill, even though there are many flaws and a complete lack of understanding of what the bill actually means as far as it's implications. Saying that things can be tweaked as it moves forward is insulting. It is actions like this that have led to the garbage we have been saddled with over the years. Obama knows he needs this bill to pass, he has broken so many of his campaign promises he cannot afford to look like he lost on this one.

As far as the Waterloo comment goes it is opposition to him doggedly trying to push a bill that many, maybe even the majority of Americans think will further hurt the country.
Click to expand...

Of course he is pushing the bill, it is his bill...and if there is little understanding of what the bill actually means and it's implications then by definition some of this is just obstructionism to score political points.

Personally, I don't think that is the case. I think those voicing real opinions here understand what this bill will do to healthcare and the economy and that is why they are voicing opposition. Namely the moderate reupubs and blue dog democrats. Those that are making waterloo comments and what not are either giving fodder to the political obstructionism charge, or they are actually doing it.
 
#25
#25
droski said:
this is how obama is trying to paint the situation certainly, but he wants it his way or the highway. that much is obvious. do the republicans want to see obama go down in flames on this issue? certainly. but that doesn't mean they don't have legit points.
Click to expand...

The moderate repubs and blue dog dems are making many of the legit points. They are certainly working together and coming to compromises with the administration. Look at the news coming out today, he is certainly willing to walk down the highway with those voicing legit opposition to come to a compromise.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top