Obama may not be on the NJ ballot.

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Mario Apuzzo argued for 3 and a half hours today to knock President Obama off the NJ primary ballot. Obama's attorney argued Wong Kim Ark (1898) and Ankeny. Apuzzo has been spring loaded for this argument for years and Obama's attorney's argument was no match for Apuzzo. He destroyed Obama's attorney!!

The Judge will write an opinion and publish it tomorrow morning.

No matter what the outcome, appeals will be filed. Wouldn't it be great if the US Supreme Court had to take the case because the NJ Supreme Court rules in our favor....

Check out Mario's account of the proceeding today at his website. Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers

Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers: Update on the Purpura and Moran New Jersey Obama Ballot Access Objection

We argued that he has not presented any evidence to the New Jersey Secretary of State showing who he is and that he was born in the United States. We also argued that as a matter of law, Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” because he was born to a father who was not a U.S. citizen.
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Obama’s attorney made a motion to dismiss the Objection in its entirety. ... Judge Masin denied Obama’s motion to dismiss and the case proceeded to trial.
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Obama’s lawyer objected to my proffered testimony. I then offered that I would not need to have Mr. Wilcox testify, provided that Obama stipulated that the internet image of his birth certificate could not be used as evidence by either Judge Masin or the New Jersey Secretary of States and that he presented to the court or the Secretary of State no other evidence of his identity or place of birth. Judge Masin also asked Obama’s attorney whether she would so stipulate. She did so stipulate, agreeing that both the court and the Secretary of State cannot rely on the internet birth certificate as evidence of Obama’s place of birth and that Obama has produced no other evidence to the court regarding his place of birth. She also argued that Obama has no legal obligation to produce any such evidence to get on the primary ballot. Judge Masin then took the issue under advisement. Having produced absolutely no evidence of his eligibility for the Office of President, Judge Masin will decide whether as a matter of law Obama has a legal duty to produce such evidence before he may be placed on the New Jersey ballot in light of the pending objection filed against him.
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Judge Masin will be contacting counsel today or tomorrow morning either by telephone or email as to his decision, stating “yes” or “no” on both issues. He will then provide his written decision to the Secretary of State no later than Wednesday, April 11, 2012, at 10:00 a.m.
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It never went away with him. Even if, for some unlikely reason, Obama doesn't make it on the NJ dem primary ballot (are they even running that?), he will be on the ballot in all 50 for the general.

And that's because there is, indeed, a massive federal government conspiracy to cover up Obama's actual Kenyan mooslum roots.
 
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This crap again. There are plenty of issues where Obama has screwed up massively and you want to argue about this made up ****?
 
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When, and I do mean when, Obama gets reelected, will the same s*** keep being brought up? Or will they (Loons) find something new to criticize about?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
When, and I do mean when, Obama gets reelected, will the same s*** keep being brought up? Or will they (Loons) find something new to criticize about?
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if he gets in the WH for 4 more years the birth cert probably won't matter any more. The problems in this country will definitely push it to the rear
 
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utvolpj said:
if he gets in the WH for 4 more years the birth cert probably won't matter any more. The problems in this country will definitely push it to the rear
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That's fine. I'm all for hearing constructive criticism and debate over the important stuff, but this whole birther movement shat is annoying.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
That's fine. I'm all for hearing constructive criticism and debate over the important stuff, but this whole birther movement shat is annoying.
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I agree (once the cert was released from HI). He's got plenty of other failures to discuss
 
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I really love this additional stand alone argument that he is not a US citizen because his father was foreign.

If that were the correct test, then by definition we could never have had a first president since that first president was necessarily born of a foreign citizen.
 
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Does anyone else hear circus music every time they open a gsvol thread?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5Sa2Yq-2g[/youtube]
 
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A birth certificate can't prove or disprove who you are. It does not have a picture or figure prints on it...at least the old one I have does not. DNA is the only proven way but that was not started until recently.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Does anyone else hear circus music every time they open a gsvol thread?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5Sa2Yq-2g[/youtube]
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I confess that at this point I kind of look forward to what he'll come up with next. There is a certain entertainment value to it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I really love this additional stand alone argument that he is not a US citizen because his father was foreign.

If that were the correct test, then by definition we could never have had a first president since that first president was necessarily born of a foreign citizen.
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Well... if you wanna get reeeally technical, our first several presidents were, themselves, born as foreign citizens. They may have been born on domestic soil, but it was at that point a British colony, so.....

I couldn't tell if this was the point you were trying to make or not.
 
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There are a copious amount of valid criticisms that one can articulate and levy against Obama. Where his genes originated is not one of them.
 
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utvolpj said:
if he gets in the WH for 4 more years the birth cert probably won't matter any more. The problems in this country will definitely push it to the rear
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He'll probably still be busy worrying over Obama's secret plots to subvert Christianity in the US and co-opt the government to support his mooslum brothers.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I really love this additional stand alone argument that he is not a US citizen because his father was foreign.

If that were the correct test, then by definition we could never have had a first president since that first president was necessarily born of a foreign citizen.
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Actually this situation is covered by the Constitution:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;"

So any citizen at the time of adoption was eligible if they met the age and residency requirements. After that you had to be a natural born citizen, whatever that means.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Well... if you wanna get reeeally technical, our first several presidents were, themselves, born as foreign citizens. They may have been born on domestic soil, but it was at that point a British colony, so.....

I couldn't tell if this was the point you were trying to make or not.
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Well, no, but only if the logic is that ff you were born in the colonies and that became the US, good enough. And if so, then I suppose that defeats my other point as long as Washington's father was born in the colonies. And he was, it turns out -- was born in Virginia in the late 1600's.

But I don't know if that meets the text of the Constitution, which is the birthers' whole argument.
 
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volved said:
Actually this situation is covered by the Constitution:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;"

So any citizen at the time of adoption was eligible if they met the age and residency requirements. After that you had to be a natural born citizen, whatever that means.
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Ah, ok.

Never mind my previous musings.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ah, ok.

Never mind my previous musings.
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We are a nation, not of men but of laws.

The fact is that Obama has NOT ever produced his bona fides that are required to establish the fact that he is indeed constitutionally eligible for the office.

If he is qualified, it would be simple enough for him to do so.



2012 Vetting Obama NEW EVIDENCE on Obama's Birth Place ~ Is this the REAL Certificate? - YouTube

It also suggests at least $35 million of U.S. taxpayer dollars in stimulus funding (American Recovery & Reinvestment Act) in 2008 and 2009 were sent to Kenya in the guise of AIDS vaccine dollars in spite of the fact that Merck & Co. the maker of the drug being funded had halted clinical trials of MRK-Ad5 before the payments were made.
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The Kenyatta National Hospital, which was formerly King George VI Hospital, and 4 other Sub Saharan African hospitals received taxpayer dollars to “help train local scientists, technicians, and counselors at these facilities.” What’s more, the video shows a picture of Obama’s Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius in front of a medical facility in Kenya, possibly his birth hospital, King George VI, now Kenyatta National Hospital!
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A science teacher, known only as Kitau, says, “The Birth Certificate is authentic. . by nature I am a skeptical person.” The account goes on to say the mysterious Kitau, who now has disappeared, was born within one month of President Obama, and says, “I compared my birth certificate to the one put up by [Orly] Taitz (the Lucas Daniel Smith document) and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar. .the type is identical.”

The birth narrative of Obama is woven around the family going to a Muslim festival on a hot day at a Mombassa beach. When Obama’s mother Stanley Ann Dunham Obama developed labor pains while in the surf, she was taken to Coast Provincial General Hospital a small facility near to the beach. She later was transferred to the much larger King George VI Hospital, now Kenyatta National.

That put her in the care of an Obama family friend, Dr. James O.W. Ang’awa. The Lucas Daniel Smith document shows Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, and Dr. Ang’awa was the attending doctor. Ang’awa was a neighbor of Barack Obama, Sr. in a high end governmental housing complex known as South Hill, and worked at King George. His daughter is quoted in the video as forgiving the unknown assailant who struck and killed her father in a street attack by using a blunt object as the fortieth anniversary of the doctor’s death approached.
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A video speaker asks why Barack Obama has spent “over $2.5 million dollars to cover up his records.
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Then too, the Kenyan parliament made the statement saying how wonderful it was that a Kenyan born child could grow up to be president of the United States.

Then there were all the newpaper accounts of Kenyan born Obama being elected to the Illinois state senate.

So up until Obama ran for president he was considered to have been born in Kenya by most everyone, incluuding the prestigious Associated Press but then all of a sudden he was said to have been born in Hawaii.

If it is actually fact that Obama was born in Kenya then he doesn't meet the qualifications spelled out in the Constitution to be president of the USA.

Simple solution, settle the matter legally in court rather in the court of public opinion as is being done now.
 
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If he's not a citizen (which he is), then why are we mad at him? It's the system and the players involved who allowed him to enter the race, win it, hold the presidency for four years, then try to win the race again and hold the position for another four years. I'll hang up and await your cartoons.
 
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