Obama may not be on the NJ ballot.

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DynamiteMcGhee said:
If he's not a citizen (which he is), then why are we mad at him? It's the system and the players involved who allowed him to enter the race, win it, hold the presidency for four years, then try to win the race again and hold the position for another four years. I'll hang up and await your cartoons.
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
#27
#27
gsvol said:
We are a nation, not of men but of laws.

The fact is that Obama has NOT ever produced his bona fides that are required to establish the fact that he is indeed constitutionally eligible for the office.

If he is qualified, it would be simple enough for him to do so.



2012 Vetting Obama NEW EVIDENCE on Obama's Birth Place ~ Is this the REAL Certificate? - YouTube



Then too, the Kenyan parliament made the statement saying how wonderful it was that a Kenyan born child could grow up to be president of the United States.

Then there were all the newpaper accounts of Kenyan born Obama being elected to the Illinois state senate.

So up until Obama ran for president he was considered to have been born in Kenya by most everyone, incluuding the prestigious Associated Press but then all of a sudden he was said to have been born in Hawaii.

If it is actually fact that Obama was born in Kenya then he doesn't meet the qualifications spelled out in the Constitution to be president of the USA.

Simple solution, settle the matter legally in court rather in the court of public opinion as is being done now.
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Liberals are not interested in the facts or the constitution, only in outcomes. For example, confiscation of other peoples incomes in the name of the greatest good for the greatest number. Since this is the outcome desired by the left through the election of Obama, then the constitution is irrelevant as well as any other law that gets in the way of their desired outcomes. If they disagree with the facts or those who present them as you have done then they have to resort to name calling or slander. This little game is played out by liberals on this message board as well as liberals throughout the country in the press, etc.

Obviously the judge who reviewed the case did not consider it to be frivilous and has respect for the law because he did not throw it out.
 
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#28
LibertyVol said:
Liberals are not interested in the facts or the constitution, only in outcomes. For example, confiscation of other peoples incomes in the name of the greatest good for the greatest number. Since this is the outcome desired by the left through the election of Obama, then the constitution is irrelevant as well as any other law that gets in the way of their desired outcomes. If they disagree with the facts or those who present them as you have done then they have to resort to name calling or slander. This little game is played out by liberals on this message board as well as liberals throughout the country in the press, etc.

Obviously the judge who reviewed the case did not consider it to be frivilous and has respect for the law because he did not throw it out.
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Yeah, because taxation and entitlement programs are unconstitutional .
 
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#30
milohimself said:
It never went away with him. Even if, for some unlikely reason, Obama doesn't make it on the NJ dem primary ballot (are they even running that?), he will be on the ballot in all 50 for the general.

And that's because there is, indeed, a massive federal government conspiracy to cover up Obama's actual Kenyan mooslum roots.
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So if Obama, like Carter, loses 49 of those states, does that prove there is a huge right wing conspiracy?

Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery but disregards “image” as Indication of Obama’s Ineligibility Damage Control

Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.
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Oh wait, that's satire but still, Obama's lawyer acted as if she knew the white house produced internet document was indeed a forgery and hoax.








LibertyVol said:
Liberals are not interested in the facts or the constitution, only in outcomes. For example, confiscation of other peoples incomes in the name of the greatest good for the greatest number. Since this is the outcome desired by the left through the election of Obama, then the constitution is irrelevant as well as any other law that gets in the way of their desired outcomes. If they disagree with the facts or those who present them as you have done then they have to resort to name calling or slander. This little game is played out by liberals on this message board as well as liberals throughout the country in the press, etc.

Obviously the judge who reviewed the case did not consider it to be frivilous and has respect for the law because he did not throw it out.
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How true!

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PKT_VOL said:
Is it unconstitutional?
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Barry's (or whatever his name is) fake birth certificate?

Yep! Totally.

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Attorney Larry Klayman's Statement on Florida Ballot Challenge Filed Against Barack Obama | Birther Report: Obama Release Your Records

So I looked at all this, looked at over 100 lost cases to date, looked at the solid opposition of Republicrat officials, media, courts, Congress, agencies, and still thought—I simply must do something. There must be at least one honest judge left in our troubled nation, one who will review the overwhelming evidence in a properly pleaded case and rule that this usurper doesn’t belong on the Florida ballot. We already have more than enough evidence to get Obama out—we simply need someone to do the right thing. I’ll do my part, if judges – and enough citizens – do theirs.

Why Florida?

•We can file in any one of numerous counties

•Quite a few of those counties are very conservative

•I like Florida, the third biggest state, which is electorally vote-rich, and where I have lived for many years, worked very successfully on the Gore vs. Bush and other cases, and know my way around the landscape—and the law – here. Indeed, I ran for the U.S. Senate myself in Florida in 2004.

•If we can knock Obama off the ballot in Florida he cannot win the 2012 presidential elections. It’s that simple.

Currently, the case has been filed, amended once, and is now in discovery. We anticipate interrogatories, fending off a motion to dismiss, and a hearing, with witnesses, evidence. We intend to rectify the injustice inflicted upon registered Democrat plaintiff Michael Voeltz in having an ineligible candidate fraudulently talk his way onto the ballot of the great state of Florida. In doing so, we will also benefit millions and millions of other citizens of Florida and our beloved nation. In the event we should not succeed in that mission, we will still succeed in exposing the crimes of AKA Barack Hussein Obama and his enablers, rendering re-election an impossibility, something the Republicans have so far been unable—or unwilling—to do.
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#39
LibertyVol said:
I am trying to find it. Have you found where redistribution of wealth is authorized?
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So we're going from "constitutional" to "authorized?" Gotcha.

Was it constitutional for the feds to tap our phones, computers, and mail? Was it constitutional to deem who could and could not serve in the military? Was it constitutional to standardize student testing based on statewide standards?

It's not so much about authorization. Constitutional monarchies have been around for centuries, and it shouldn't be any surprise that not a single constitution created by any nation has been immune to outside legislation. It's called progress. Progress isn't always good, but acting as though it's the crime of the decade is laughable.
 
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#40
Oh, snap, GS! Don't **** yourself with excitement. I don't know this source, but thought you could run with it. LOL

Lawyers representing the current sitting President of the United States of America have been forced, under penalty of perjury, to admit that the long-form birth certificate presented by the White House in April of 2011 is a total forgery.
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Obama officially ineligible - Denver Conspiracy | Examiner.com
 
#42
#42
DinkinFlicka said:
So we're going from "constitutional" to "authorized?" Gotcha.

Was it constitutional for the feds to tap our phones, computers, and mail? Was it constitutional to deem who could and could not serve in the military? Was it constitutional to standardize student testing based on statewide standards?

It's not so much about authorization. Constitutional monarchies have been around for centuries, and it shouldn't be any surprise that not a single constitution created by any nation has been immune to outside legislation. It's called progress. Progress isn't always good, but acting as though it's the crime of the decade is laughable.
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I am not sure about the phone tapping, but I see your point. I would not call socialism progress. And socialism is a crime. Its eventual end will be absolute tyranny. It was never the intent of the 16th amendment to redistribute wealth or "spread it around a little bit" like I have heard Obama say. That is my point about liberalism. It is not about what the law says or doesn't say. It is about outcomes. To me this is very dangerous.
 
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#45
LibertyVol said:
I am trying to find it. Have you found where redistribution of wealth is authorized?
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I'll help you out, (hint) your not going to find it.

Wealth distribution is apart of our current implicit and somewhat explicit social contract. That is how it is "authorized".
 
#46
#46
LibertyVol said:
I am not sure about the phone tapping, but I see your point. I would not call socialism progress. And socialism is a crime. Its eventual end will be absolute tyranny. It was never the intent of the 16th amendment to redistribute wealth or "spread it around a little bit" like I have heard Obama say. That is my point about liberalism. It is not about what the law says or doesn't say. It is about outcomes. To me this is very dangerous.
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I am curious to here your rational behind this statement.
 
#48
#48
If Obama is disqualified due to the arguments before the NJ courts, then Rubio is disqualified due to the same arguments.

Food for thought.
 
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#50
n_huffhines said:
Oh, snap, GS! Don't **** yourself with excitement. I don't know this source, but thought you could run with it. LOL



Obama officially ineligible - Denver Conspiracy | Examiner.com
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Most everyone understands the White House produced document is indeed a forgery and has been proven to be a forgery.

Whatever you believe, one question jumps right out at you, if Obama's lawyer knew that producing said document to the court would get the case dismissed, then why not produce it as requested?

What do you think?

More from Arizona.

Sheriff Joe releasing more on Obama

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio finds himself under increasing attack as he prepares to release new findings in his investigation of President Obama’s eligibility for the state’s 2012 election ballot.

“I have no intention of resigning,” said Arpaio, who is running for his sixth term as sheriff of Maricopa County. “They forget I have a four-decades long career in federal law enforcement that includes having been a special agent for the FBI and having worked for the Drug Enforcement Agency in the United States, as well as in Argentina, Turkey and Mexico.”
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WND previously reported the intensity of attacks on Arpaio at both a state and national level.

Already, Arpaio has announced that his volunteer law enforcement investigation has found probable cause that Obama’s long-form birth certificate and his Selective Service registration form are forgeries. Arpaio and his team made the announcement at a March 1 press conference.

A second press conference is expected in the next few weeks to announce more findings Arpaio suggests will be explosive.
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WND has previously reported that political operative Randy Parraz, a self-described “organizer,” has been running a determined campaign to oust Arpaio from office.

Parraz, together with a small group of activists operating under Parraz’s “newly formed organization, Citizens for a Better Arizona, have unsuccessfully tried to disrupt meetings of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors to demand the oversight group vote to request Arpaio’s resignation.

Arpaio, an elected sheriff, cannot be removed from office by a vote of the county board.
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Meanwhile, establishment media have portrayed Arpaio as politically isolated and likely to face federal criminal and civil charges by the Justice Department in Federal District Court.

At the same time, media have downplayed Democratic Party scandals such as Fast and Furious, resignations from the Arizona U.S. Attorney’s office and the possibility the U.S. Supreme Court could uphold the constitutionality of the Arizona legislature’s bill to ensure its citizens are protected from civil and criminal offenses caused by illegal immigrants the federal government is unwilling to police.
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As WND reported, new impetus was given to the anti-Arpaio campaign by the recent disbarment of Maricopa County attorney Andrew Thomas in a complicated corruption case.

Establishment media have largely ignored, however, the fact that Thomas and Assistant Prosecutor Lisa Aubuchon were disbarred for filing criminal charges against Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Gary Donahoe and two members of the Board of Supervisors, which oversees Arpaio’s office, Mary Rose Wilcox and Don Stapley. Both are determined Arpaio foes.

The corruption charges against Wilcox and Stapley were never adjudicated after a Pima County judge dismissed the case due to prosecutorial misconduct.
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Now, Arpaio’s opponents in Arizona are pressing for a federal criminal grand jury to press charges against him for his involvement with Thomas in trying to root out corruption in Maricopa County.

Even if no criminal trial results, Arpaio’s opponents hope to have him under federal criminal indictment at the same time the U.S. Department of Justice presses a civil case against him in the federal courts, alleging he has systematically implemented a policy of violating the federal civil rights of Hispanics.
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In July 2011, Dennis Burke, a prominent Democratic Party operative in Arizona, resigned as U.S. Attorney, just as the House Oversight Committee and an internal Justice Department internal investigation began focusing on the role Arizona played in Fast and Furious.

Before taking the job of U.S. Attorney in Arizona, Burke had served as chief of staff to Janet Napolitano when she was the governor of Arizona. He then was a senior advisor to Napolitano when she moved to Washington to become Homeland Security Secretary in 2009 under the in-coming Obama administration.
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The next resignation was by Patrick J. Cunningham, the head of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona, who had announced he would take the Fifth Amendment rather than testify before Congress regarding the Department of Justice’s scandalous gun-running operation “Fast and Furious.”

In Arizona, Cunningham was widely regarded as Burke’s “No. 1 Guy,” as noted by reporter David Codrea of the Gun Rights Examiner.

Consistently, Arizona’s two Republican senators, Kyl and John McCain, have refused to come to Arpaio’s defense.

In March, WND reported Kyle and McCain had given their approval to the Obama administration nomination as U.S. attorney in Arizona of John Leonardo, a former Arizona judge with a history of judicial rulings adverse to Arpaio.

Leonardo, who retired last month as Pima County Superior Court judge, threw out an indictment in 2010 against Maricopa County Supervisor Wilcox, a Democrat and an outspoken critic of Arpaio.
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The article goes on to give a lot more information about the Alinski trained leftist Parraz.
 
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