obama or carter?

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obama or carter?

i have to ask everyone here who the greatest political failure is over these two.

their circumstances are so similar, it's frightening.

in 1976, carter and the democrats could do no wrong. the predecessors were a president who resigned in disgrace. the first president ever to do so. he was replaced by a man most known for granting the individual a pardon and launching the career of chevy chase. in 1976, the democrats win the presidency and had 292 members in the u.s. house and 60 members of the u.s. senate. the republican party was in the toilet, disgraced by its party's president. the country couldn't wait to move on from the vietnam war and watergate. it wasn't going to take much for people to be "better off" from the recent times that they had been through.

in 1978, the democrats went from 292 house members to 277 and 60 in the senate to 58. in 1980, carter lost in a landslide, the house went from 292 seats to 243 and the u.s. senate went republican after the democrats held a super majority only 4 years earlier.

carter and the democrats had almost unheard of political capital and screwed the pooch faster than any democrat's worst nightmare........

and then......

in 2008, obama wins the presidency. his predecessor is largely regarded as an idiot. this was not going to be a tough act to follow. there isn't much of the bush presidency that is considered to be a success. the democrats had 257 members of the house and a super majority in the senate.

in 2010, the democrats lost the house and now have 193 seats. they maintained power in the senate but now have 53 seats. things were so bad that there was actually an individual or group that put up a billboard of that idiot known as W with the words "do you miss me yet".

now, 2012 is coming and soon. if things continue as they have, then the republicans will win back the senate and the white house.

in each case, it will have taken four years to take a "no lose" situation and have your rear end handed to you on a platter......politically speaking.

so, which is the greater failure?
 
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99gator said:
so, which is the greater failure?
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15 months is still a long time in politics but if things keep going down this road, it has to be Obama. The fact that they bungled things so badly in the first two years while controlling Congress with a filibuster proof Senate is astounding.
 
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Carter was such a whiner. The "Empty Suit" is just like him. Typical liberals whine but never do anything about a problem.

MALAISE
 
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Im still pissed about carter giving up the panama canal. We lost more men building that thing then we lost in iraq and Afghanistan. You have to give the edge to carter at this point because Obama hasn't lost the 2012 election yet and inflation isn't rampant, yet.
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DefenseisDesire said:
Im still pissed about carter giving up the panama canal. We lost more men building that thing then we lost in iraq and Afghanistan. You have to give the edge to carter at this point because Obama hasn't lost the 2012 election yet and inflation isn't rampant, yet.
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When i go to the grocery its really hard not to tell it.
China-Mart (wal-mart) came out with a report last week saying to expect much higher prices in the weeks to come.

Like GAVOL says, 15 months is a long time in the world of politics. However, i'm not seeing anything from Barrack the red's camp suggesting any plan to get things back on track.
It's Obama in a landslide.
 
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Other than killing Bin Laden does Obama have any positive FP accomplishments?

I honestly cannot think of one positive bit of news either domestically or internationally.

Ironically, Carter's FP Waterloo was Iran. I have to wonder if the same will be true for Obama - the hikers were just sentenced, we've done nothing to stop the development of nukes and they are working hard to control Iraq and other parts of the ME.

If you were alive and politically aware during Carter you recognize the same cynicism and negativity permeating the air.

Both are weak leaders. I think Obama is more problematic though with his agenda that he is driving through agencies (EPA, NLRB, Justice, etc.) rather than through Congress. The presidency has more power now than then.
 
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DefenseisDesire said:
Im still pissed about carter giving up the panama canal. We lost more men building that thing then we lost in iraq and Afghanistan. You have to give the edge to carter at this point because Obama hasn't lost the 2012 election yet and inflation isn't rampant, yet.
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The way he trashed out legitimate governments in
Iran and Rhodesia and sanction SA rate right up there.

As for inflation, what you may have been led to believe
by the administration the fed and the media may not
be the truth;

Consider the following:

Facts and Truth About U.S. Inflation, Debt, and Political Crisis

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) yesterday
released their consumer price index (CPI) data for the
month of July. The BLS reported an increase in year-
over-year CPI growth to 3.63%, the highest rate
of U.S. price inflation since October of 2008.

July's official government reported year-over-year U.S.
price inflation rate of 3.63% was up from 3.56% in June,
3.57% in May, 3.16% in April, 2.68% in March, 2.11% in
February, 1.63% in January, 1.5% in December, and
1.1% in November.

The official rate of U.S. price inflation has increased
by 230% over the last eight months. NIA conservatively
projects the official rate of U.S. price inflation to surpass
4% by year-end and 5% in early 2012. NIA estimates
the real rate of U.S. price inflation, without geometric
weighting and hedonics, to currently be approaching
8%. NIA projects the real rate of U.S. price inflation to
reach double-digit territory by mid-2012, if not much
sooner.

Gold prices today reached a new all time high of $1,877
per ounce. Gold is the best gauge of inflation, not the
CPI. On June 15th when the BLS reported May CPI
data, gold was trading for only $1,520 per ounce. Even
though the BLS reported a year-over-year CPI increase
for the month of May of 3.16%, the mainstream media
reported that inflation was slowing down and not a
problem because gas prices were declining.

Although seasonal adjusted gas prices in the month of
May were down 2%, NIA reported to you that non-
adjusted gas prices actually rose 3.6%. NIA then
warned you that the BLS's seasonal adjustments will
reverse beginning in the month of July and start
boosting reported gas prices.

NIA was right, seasonal adjusted gas prices in the
month of July increased 4.7%.

The mainstream media intentionally misled
Americans about price inflation during the month
of June, but the world is now recognizing the truth
about how U.S. price inflation is spiraling out of control
with the price of gold having risen 23% since mid-June.

The investment community is also finally realizing what
NIA has been saying for years, inflation does not
create real economic growth.

The Dow Jones declined today by 172.93 points to
10,817.65 and the Dow Jones/Gold ratio fell to 5.84.

The Dow Jones/Gold ratio is declining at a faster rate
than even we expected. NIA was one of the only
organizations in the world to accurately predict that
the Dow Jones/Gold ratio would decline to 6.5 in 2011.

NIA continues to believe that the Dow Jones/Gold ratio
will decline to 1 this decade, which will mean another
83% loss for Dow Jones stocks in terms of real
money.

The lower the stock market declines in the near-term,
the greater the chances are that the Federal Reserve
will soon unleash QE3 in disguise under a new name.

Despite gold reaching a new all time high, the core-CPI,
which the Federal Reserve likes to use to gauge inflation
because it excludes food and energy prices,
is currently up 1.77% on a year-over-year basis,
compared to an annual gain of 0.61% in October of last
year. Even though core-CPI growth appears to still be
low, year-over-year core-CPI growth has increased by
290% since October of last year, a larger gain on a
percentage basis than the official CPI. Ever since the
Federal Reserve announced QE2 in November of last
year, core-CPI has increased for nine straight months.
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The mainstream media believes that if they repeat "Ron
Paul has no chance of winning" enough times, it will be
a self-fulfilling prophecy. The same applies to the media
constantly referring to Mitt Romney as the front-runner.

The media supports Romney because they like how
he is a part of the Republican establishment and if
elected would stick with the status quo in
Washington.
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Perry is not a true fiscal conservative. He and
his wife complained that the Texas governor's mansion
was too small and is now spending $11 million of
President Obama's stimulus money to renovate and
expand its size.

With the construction now taking place at the
governor's mansion and Perry unable to live there,
Texas taxpayers have so far spent $700,000
to rent him an even bigger Texas mansion and
to cover expenses at the mansion including
Neiman Marcus window coverings and a
subscription to Food & Wine Magazine.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned that on his first day in office, Carter pardoned between 30,000 and 50,000 cowards that ran to Canada rather than face the draft.
 
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"Perry is not a true fiscal conservative. He and
his wife complained that the Texas governor's mansion
was too small and is now spending $11 million of
President Obama's stimulus money to renovate and
expand its size".


You may want to recheck your facts. The structure was completely gutted by a fire in 2008.
 
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Nothing on the stimulus though? He adamantly opposed the stimulus - then built his state budget on it - while running a deficit that only a mother could love.
 
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volinbham said:
Other than killing Bin Laden does Obama have any positive FP accomplishments?

I honestly cannot think of one positive bit of news either domestically or internationally.

Ironically, Carter's FP Waterloo was Iran. I have to wonder if the same will be true for Obama - the hikers were just sentenced, we've done nothing to stop the development of nukes and they are working hard to control Iraq and other parts of the ME.

If you were alive and politically aware during Carter you recognize the same cynicism and negativity permeating the air.

Both are weak leaders. I think Obama is more problematic though with his agenda that he is driving through agencies (EPA, NLRB, Justice, etc.) rather than through Congress. The presidency has more power now than then.
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I am increasingly of the opinion that you are right that Obama is weak and is not taking the lead on critical issues.

IMO, he ought to be forcing the Democratic controlled Senate to pass a bill that would impose the spending cuts discussed during the conferences along with repeal of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest and repeal of subsidies for big oil and some of the main objectionable tax loopholes.

Put the issue squarely before the American public and explain that the Republicans can get a budget deficit sliced by a third if they'll compromise with him on taxes. Let the GOP twist in the wind on that one.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Any specific reasons why? Or is it everything?
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wilson?

oh I dont know, set up the stage for fdrs new deal......

racist a grand wizard in the kkk......

hated women................

hated freedom to the point of putting citizens in jail for protesting ww1.....
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