obama or carter?

[OrangeEmpire]

Carter over Johnson and Buchanan?

johnson or lbj?
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[n_huffhines]

lol your a mess
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Cogent arguments left and right. Sir, I am in awe.

 

[KiffinKiller]

johnson or lbj?
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andrew.

 

[n_huffhines]

andrew.

What did Andrew Johnson do that was so bad?

 

[KiffinKiller]

Well for one - he supported Lincoln's war policies. I thought that would get you going?

 

[n_huffhines]

Well for one - he supported Lincoln's war policies. I thought that would get you going?

Not really. I tend to give benefit of the doubt to the guy who inherited the war. I don't particularly like Johnson, but he's nowhere near the top of my list of presidential villains. He didn't do enough of anything to really move the radar, IMO.

 

[KiffinKiller]

Not really. I tend to give benefit of the doubt to the guy who inherited the war. I don't particularly like Johnson, but he's nowhere near the top of my list of presidential villains. He didn't do enough of anything to really move the radar, IMO.

fair point - he's near the top wiki list, fwiw. I think most of the distaste comes from his action against the liberties of the freemen after the war.

 

[n_huffhines]

BTW, here's a list of presidential rankings by author Ivan Eland (Recarving Rushmore). He refutes the traditional approach of ranking presidents based on charisma and how they dealt with conflict. Under that kind of ranking system, he argues, presidents who are able to completely avoid conflict get ignored by historians. I don't agree 100% with his judgment, but I like his objective...to rank presidents based on how they preserved peace, prosperity, and liberty:

1 John Tyler
2 Grover Cleveland
3 Martin van Buren
4 Rutherford B. Hayes
5 Chester A Artur
6 Warren G Harding
7 George Washington
8 Jimmy Carter
9 Dwight D Eisenhower
10 Calvin Coolidge
11 Bill Clinton
12 John Quincy Adams
13 Zachary Taylor
14 Millard Fillmore
15 Benjamin Harrison
16 Gerald Ford
17 Andrew Johnson
18 Herbert Hoover
19 U.S. Grant
20 William Howard Taft
21 Theodore Roosevelt
22 John Adams
23 James Buchanan
24 Franklin Pierce
25 James Monroe
26 Thomas Jefferson
27 Andrew Jackson
28 James Madison
29 Abraham Lincoln
30 Richard Nixon
31 FDR
32 LBJ
33 George HW Bush
34 Ronald Reagan
35 JFK
36 George W Bush
37 James K Polk
38 William McKinley
39 Harry S. Truman
40 Woodrow Wilson

His book serves as a great reference guide because he breaks down how each president either preserved or diminished peace, prosperity, and liberty.

 

[KiffinKiller]

I smell fire. Get ready.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Cogent arguments left and right. Sir, I am in awe.

cogent, lol
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