Obama to back religious freedom at Islam dinner

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President Barack Obama on Friday will speak up for religious freedom at a dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, emphasizing that point just as New York City is immersed in a deeply sensitive debate about whether a mosque should be built near ground zero.

Obama has not yet spoken about the mosque controversy. The White House has been calling the matter solely a local one.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs would not directly say whether Obama would address the mosque when he hosts the iftar dinner that breaks the holiday's daily fast. But Gibbs quickly added that Obama believes strongly in the tenet of religious freedom and would be speaking out on that.

The planned mosque's location near the site of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center has touched off a huge debate in New York.
 
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Thanks for that more than unwelcome update on our muslim president's agenda.
 
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Isn't the reason America was formed because of freedom of religion? Also, this belongs in the politics forum.
 
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VOLatile said:
Isn't the reason America was formed because of freedom of religion? Also, this belongs in the politics forum.
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Not in the sense that you think. It was pretty much solely based on different denominations of Christianity being able to coexist without persecution from the Church of England. Over the years, it's been perverted into what we now call "political correctness", and now it's about everyone. Little does our government not only not realize what our founding fathers meant anymore, they are willing to allow a religion that has been aimed at world dominance by the sword and that persecutes Christians, have free reign in a predominately Christian nation. Very stupid, IMO. Of course, our government hasn't been smart since before the prohibition days, and certainly not in the past 30 years.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not in the sense that you think. It was pretty much solely based on different denominations of Christianity being able to coexist without persecution from the Church of England. Over the years, it's been perverted into what we now call "political correctness", and now it's about everyone. Little does our government not only not realize what our founding fathers meant anymore, they are willing to allow a religion that has been aimed at world dominance by the sword and that persecutes Christians, have free reign in a predominately Christian nation. Very stupid, IMO. Of course, our government hasn't been smart since before the prohibition days, and certainly not in the past 30 years.
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There's so much wrong with that post that the effort it would take to correct it far exceeds my give a damn level about correcting silliness where the belief in fairy tales is involved.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not in the sense that you think. It was pretty much solely based on different denominations of Christianity being able to coexist without persecution from the Church of England. Over the years, it's been perverted into what we now call "political correctness", and now it's about everyone. Little does our government not only not realize what our founding fathers meant anymore, they are willing to allow a religion that has been aimed at world dominance by the sword and that persecutes Christians, to have free reign in a predominately Christian nation. Very stupid, IMO. Of course, our government hasn't been smart since before the prohibition days, and certainly not in the past 30 years.
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First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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So wait a damn minute, it's okay to take a interpretive stance on the 1st Amendment, but not the 2nd, 14th, etc?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not in the sense that you think. It was pretty much solely based on different denominations of Christianity being able to coexist without persecution from the Church of England. Over the years, it's been perverted into what we now call "political correctness", and now it's about everyone. Little does our government not only not realize what our founding fathers meant anymore, they are willing to allow a religion that has been aimed at world dominance by the sword and that persecutes Christians, have free reign in a predominately Christian nation. Very stupid, IMO. Of course, our government hasn't been smart since before the prohibition days, and certainly not in the past 30 years.
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In a word, no.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not in the sense that you think. It was pretty much solely based on different denominations of Christianity being able to coexist without persecution from the Church of England. Over the years, it's been perverted into what we now call "political correctness", and now it's about everyone. Little does our government not only not realize what our founding fathers meant anymore, they are willing to allow a religion that has been aimed at world dominance by the sword and that persecutes Christians, have free reign in a predominately Christian nation. Very stupid, IMO. Of course, our government hasn't been smart since before the prohibition days, and certainly not in the past 30 years.
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Jesus effin' Christ... so much wrong with this post.

Your use of the word 'persecution' makes my nether regions hurt a little bit, considering the Crusades needed TWO religions to tango.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not in the sense that you think. It was pretty much solely based on different denominations of Christianity being able to coexist without persecution from the Church of England. Over the years, it's been perverted into what we now call "political correctness", and now it's about everyone. Little does our government not only not realize what our founding fathers meant anymore, they are willing to allow a religion that has been aimed at world dominance by the sword and that persecutes Christians, have free reign in a predominately Christian nation. Very stupid, IMO. Of course, our government hasn't been smart since before the prohibition days, and certainly not in the past 30 years.
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If there is so much wrong with this post by some of you, are you willing to let the Muslims inact their laws because its part of their religion?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
If there is so much wrong with this post by some of you, are you willing to let the Muslims inact their laws because its part of their religion?
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no our country already has laws. Which religions are allowed to make their own in the US?
 
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utvolpj said:
no our country already has laws. Which religions are allowed to make their own in the US?
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See a few countries overseas where they have gotten their collect foot in the door. See a few Universities in the US where special things are already being done for them.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
See a few countries overseas where they have gotten their collect foot in the door. See a few Universities in the US where special things are already being done for them.
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Maybe people in this country should quit trying to make morality be legislated, and they wouldn't have to worry about another group getting power and doing it themselves.

Just a thought.
 
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IPorange said:
Maybe people in this country should quit trying to make morality be legislated, and they wouldn't have to worry about another group getting power and doing it themselves.

Just a thought.
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A thought is all it will ever be. Christianity, Islam... are not going anywhere. Thus your problem will always exist.
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IPorange said:
Maybe people in this country should quit trying to make morality be legislated, and they wouldn't have to worry about another group getting power and doing it themselves.

Just a thought.
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I guess its just easier to have a judge legislate thier morality and everythings OK.
 
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Just a real quick question for those people who are quick to point out that they think my post is wrong....

Why in the hell did we actually come over here in the first place??

When you answer that question, don't forget to include that the Church of England was persecuting people who thought or taught differently than they did, and there were no Muslims practicing when we came over here. Figure out what the prominent religion was, and you'll find out what the people who wrote the Constitution meant. We formed this country based on the idea that everyone had the right to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not the fact that the people who wrote the Constitution felt all of the God's were equal. I would bet that the men who actually died fighting for Christian beliefs, are rolling over in their graves seeing what this country is becoming, a political correct rathole, that will inevitably have a fight in it between Christianity and Muslim people. What side will you be on??
 
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If the wisdom of our founding fathers were limited to the bare-bone minimum of what they happened to want vs. what they saw as that which a basic right, then this country would be much worse for the wear. I hope that you can see that striving for religious freedom for Christians can extend (quite easily) to striving for religious freedom for those who are not Christians.

Would you mind to explain to me how Thomas Jefferson's god is equal to Pat Robertson's god? Are they equal in all aspects...in all that they view(ed) their god to be?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Just a real quick question for those people who are quick to point out that they think my post is wrong....

Why in the hell did we actually come over here in the first place??

When you answer that question, don't forget to include that the Church of England was persecuting people who thought or taught differently than they did, and there were no Muslims practicing when we came over here. Figure out what the prominent religion was, and you'll find out what the people who wrote the Constitution meant. We formed this country based on the idea that everyone had the right to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not the fact that the people who wrote the Constitution felt all of the God's were equal. I would bet that the men who actually died fighting for Christian beliefs, are rolling over in their graves seeing what this country is becoming, a political correct rathole, that will inevitably have a fight in it between Christianity and Muslim people. What side will you be on??
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the founding fathers were smart enough to use the word 'religion' instead of 'Christianity' when writing. They were well aware of other religions existing in the world and fought their own battles with them. They meant for the US to be governed by laws and not a singular religion. Not to mention quite a few were actually deists
 
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utvolpj said:
the founding fathers were smart enough to use the word 'religion' instead of 'Christianity' when writing. They were well aware of other religions existing in the world and fought their own battles with them. They meant for the US to be governed by laws and not a singular religion. Not to mention quite a few were actually deists
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Exactly.

I might buy the "freedom of Christianity" spiel if all the founding fathers were, you know, Christians.
 
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