Obesity regulations show positive results

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Of course, there's no definitive correlation between state regulations and children's weight loss. One skeptic, a Boston University statician, said that states that showed weightloss could be Democratic-leaning with better educated residents and less obesity. In fact, the opposite proved true: researchers found that states with the worst obesity rates had the strictest laws.
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I still have no clue why people want govt raising their children
 
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This is more or less about what schools provide for nutrition. And personally, I would prefer healthy options presented as opposed to junk when my kid is at school.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
This is more or less about what schools provide for nutrition. And personally, I would prefer healthy options presented as opposed to junk when my kid is at school.
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then pack your child's lunch, or take the time to educate them, and make sure they're active. I ate crap at school all the time but was active and graduated HS a beanpole (as did my siblings). I'm convinced it was because our parents never allowed us to sit on the couch for very long at all and mom cooked a good dinner every night.

Sorry, this falls directly on the parents
 
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Comparing states that choose food regulation to states that don't regulate is creating a bias in the study. A state that is "fatter" like Texas is going to skew the results, compared to a state where the populace tends to agree with food regulation (kids likely feel more social pressure to get skinnier as they mature). A good study would show before and after pictures of states that adopt regulation.

Either way, this study in no way answers the question of whether or not this is good policy. What if on average the kids are shorter, weaker, and do poorly in school? I'm not saying those are likely scenarios, but obesity rates aren't the be all, end all, as much as these social engineers would like to think.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
This is more or less about what schools provide for nutrition. And personally, I would prefer healthy options presented as opposed to junk when my kid is at school.
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And the government's definition of healthful food is based on whatever the Department of Agriculture is pushing (i.e. wheat, corn and soybeans).
 
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utvolpj said:
then pack your child's lunch, or take the time to educate them, and make sure they're active. I ate crap at school all the time but was active and graduated HS a beanpole (as did my siblings). I'm convinced it was because our parents never allowed us to sit on the couch for very long at all and mom cooked a good dinner every night.

Sorry, this falls directly on the parents
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Love this post.

1) You care about your child's education. Can't tell you how often my sister b*tches about having to deal with worthless students who have parents that couldn't care less about their child's education. They think it's totally my sister's (the teacher) responsibility.

It is also what separates Asian's from all other demographics.

2) Making your kids be active. When I was young, I was always outside. Kids were always in the street. Nowadays, I can go 100mph through the neighbor and never worry about hitting a kid. Sad how the times have changed.

3) Eating dinner as a family, together, around a dinner table. Underrated.
 
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Nothing irks me more than people that raise fat kids. Unfortunately, it is absolutely none of my business what they feed their children. However, I find it impossible to believe that a kid can get fat eating school offerings alone.
 
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I would think it would be in our national interest to not just regulate fat levels but also musculature. I mean why not? If we are going to dictate how much junk a kid can eat, shouldn't we then take the converse and force feed them hgh and a variety of pfds? Let's take the East German approach to this and grow a couple of generations of Nimrods.
 
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utvolpj said:
then pack your child's lunch, or take the time to educate them, and make sure they're active. I ate crap at school all the time but was active and graduated HS a beanpole (as did my siblings). I'm convinced it was because our parents never allowed us to sit on the couch for very long at all and mom cooked a good dinner every night.

Sorry, this falls directly on the parents
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I agree with you. The parents should be the primary example for establishing healthy habits for their kids. This goes for diet and exercise. But what is wrong with cleaning up the school cafeteria. Many times parents have a say in that anyway.

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And the government's definition of healthful food is based on whatever the Department of Agriculture is pushing (i.e. wheat, corn and soybeans).
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You have a valid point. Meat and dairy industries also.

PKT_VOL said:
You care about your child's education. Can't tell you how often my sister b*tches about having to deal with worthless students who have parents that couldn't care less about their child's education. They think it's totally my sister's (the teacher) responsibility.

It is also what separates Asian's from all other demographics.

2) Making your kids be active. When I was young, I was always outside. Kids were always in the street. Nowadays, I can go 100mph through the neighbor and never worry about hitting a kid. Sad how the times have changed.

3) Eating dinner as a family, together, around a dinner table. Underrated.
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1) It is true that too many parents think the teacher is solely responsible.

2) There are still active kids. My 11 year old niece is out playing and swimming with friends all summer long. When school is in she does Girls on the Run. Hell, if there weren't active kids college football would be pretty dull.

3) Highly underrated. Our son is just over a year old and we already make a point to eat at the table and ignore cell phones while eating together.
 
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YorkVol said:
I would think it would be in our national interest to not just regulate fat levels but also musculature. I mean why not? If we are going to dictate how much junk a kid can eat, shouldn't we then take the converse and force feed them hgh and a variety of pfds? Let's take the East German approach to this and grow a couple of generations of Nimrods.
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Mission accomplished already. Look at the White house for proof.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So you don't have a problem with surrendering the freedom to choose?
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I don't believe children should have the freedom to choose everything anytime they want. I belive choices should be made for them.

I believe their minds are too easilty influenced by advertising, brand logos, and the taste of junk food.

I don't know how any sane mind could disagree with me here.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
1) It is true that too many parents think the teacher is solely responsible.

2) There are still active kids. My 11 year old niece is out playing and swimming with friends all summer long. When school is in she does Girls on the Run. Hell, if there weren't active kids college football would be pretty dull.

3) Highly underrated. Our son is just over a year old and we already make a point to eat at the table and ignore cell phones while eating together.
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I'm not saying that all kids are inactive. I am just saying that it isn't what it use to be. Not even close really.
 
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Ban air conditioning!!! My dad used to say the reason we didn't have A/C was "if it's comfortable inside ya'll wount get out and work".

I do agree there is no reason for soda or snack food vending machines in schools.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
I don't believe children should have the freedom to choose everything anytime they want. I belive choices should be made for them.

I believe their minds are too easilty influenced by advertising, brand logos, and the taste of junk food.

I don't know how any sane mind could disagree with me here.
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so rather than educating kids about healthy eating habits and nutrition, we should condition them to consume the dietary choices laid out for them by a bureaucratic machine?

these aren't mutually exclusive choices, obviously, but removing junk food from
schools doesn't address the core issue: many Americans are fat b/c they're lazy and eat sh** all day.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
I don't believe children should have the freedom to choose everything anytime they want. I belive choices should be made for them.

I believe their minds are too easilty influenced by advertising, brand logos, and the taste of junk food.

I don't know how any sane mind could disagree with me here.
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I want my kid to be able to buy Twix and enjoy childhood. How insane of me.
 
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dreVol said:
so rather than educating kids about healthy eating habits and nutrition, we should condition them to consume the dietary choices laid out for them by a bureaucratic machine?

these aren't mutually exclusive choices, obviously, but removing junk food from
schools doesn't address the core issue: many Americans are fat b/c they're lazy and eat sh** all day.
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Agree with second statement, and like you said - not mutually exclusive.

But we can't pretend that children are the same as adults and that they should be subjected to the same advertising pressures, and expected to make the same good decisions as adults.

We have to educate children AND protect them a bit.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I want my kid to be able to buy Twix and enjoy childhood. How insane of me.
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Buy a twix for him. Send it to school with him. Bury him in twix - I don't care.

Children need discipline and education, and in this country the vast majority get neither.

You specifically equated my stance to surrendering freedom.

Kids have no freedom. They have the freedom to STFU and listen to their parents and guardians who are there to guide, mentor, and coach them into makeing good decisions. (too bad lots of parents do a lousy job here too).

Anyway, the idea that there is some sort of "freedom" to each junk in school, like it's some sort of right, is nutty to me.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Agree with second statement, and like you said - not mutually exclusive.

But we can't pretend that children are the same as adults and that they should be subjected to the same advertising pressures, and expected to make the same good decisions as adults.

We have to educate children AND protect them a bit.
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If we are talking about children, where the hell are they getting money for the vending machines in the first place?

You can parent at home without trying to force your values onto others.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Agree with second statement, and like you said - not mutually exclusive.

But we can't pretend that children are the same as adults and that they should be subjected to the same advertising pressures, and expected to make the same good decisions as adults.

We have to educate children AND protect them a bit.
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Yeah, because there are no obese adults, right? I want my children protected from threats that I deem plausible but I see a vending machine as non-threatening. I am threatened with the idea of my kids getting abused, sold drugs, etc. but junk food doesn't move the meter. I mean, how far do we take this? You can't minimize risk to zero, but there's always going to be do-gooders trying to reduce your choices to accomplish that unattainable feat.
 
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