Obesity regulations show positive results

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Obese children tend to become obese adults who then become a drain on the healthcare system which in turn indirectly effects everyone.

Banning the SELL of junk food from public schools is not the total solution but it definitely doesn't contribute to the problem. I do think a nutrition class and PE should also go hand in hand and be required as well.

But yes pj, it ultimately falls on the parents. Then again so does making sure the kids do their homework, show up on time, etc...
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
You know, they do have schools (mostly privateas I know them ) that do control kids diets. My brother in law packs his children's lunches, and if it's not deemed healthy by the private school, they throw it away and give the kid a school lunch (at a charge). THAT is controling a kid's diet and has no place in public schools. If you send a Snickers in Sally's lunch - so be it.
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public schools are getting into that too now
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Obese children tend to become obese adults who then become a drain on the healthcare system which in turn indirectly effects everyone.
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and that was my point earlier, it does affect others but it shouldn't. If someone is so unhealthy in their life that they require extra care then they should pay for it. Why should society be forced to help with the costs of someone that essentially put a gun to their head but lived?
 
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My kids attend public schools, have you seen the food they serve? Who gets to decide what is healthy or not? The government cowtows to the lobbiests to change nutritional standards weekly. The school kitchens are inspected less frequently than the local starbucks and half the food goes in the trash because the kids find it foul. Besides the clearest evidence regarding obesity says it isn't what you eat, it is how much you eat. What happens is the kids skip breakfast, eat a crappy lunch then over indulge when they get home and are unsupervised.

Best thing in my view would be to continue health classes that teach healthy life styles while also allowing schools flexibility to bring in local, healthy alternatives. And keep pushing sports programs, phys ed etc, the kids will play if they have the opportunity.

Oh and by the way, I haven't seen a soda or snack machine outside of a teachers lounge in over 20 years and my kids have been in public schools around the world. We are addressing the wrong issue and being distracted from what is really important.
 
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utvolpj said:
and that was my point earlier, it does affect others but it shouldn't. If someone is so unhealthy in their life that they require extra care then they should pay for it. Why should society be forced to help with the costs of someone that essentially put a gun to their head but lived?
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Well gee pj, in a perfect world everyone would mind their own business and no ones actions would affect others. Like Truth was saying though, that isn't reality. In the face of this reality, don't think some measures need to be taken?

Where have you heard of public schools determining what can be brought from home? I am against that.
 
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YorkVol said:
My kids attend public schools, have you seen the food they serve? Who gets to decide what is healthy or not? The government cowtows to the lobbiests to change nutritional standards weekly. The school kitchens are inspected less frequently than the local starbucks and half the food goes in the trash because the kids find it foul. Besides the clearest evidence regarding obesity says it isn't what you eat, it is how much you eat. What happens is the kids skip breakfast, eat a crappy lunch then over indulge when they get home and are unsupervised.

Best thing in my view would be to continue health classes that teach healthy life styles while also allowing schools flexibility to bring in local, healthy alternatives. And keep pushing sports programs, phys ed etc, the kids will play if they have the opportunity.

Oh and by the way, I haven't seen a soda or snack machine outside of a teachers lounge in over 20 years and my kids have been in public schools around the world. We are addressing the wrong issue and being distracted from what is really important.
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You really don't think over indulgence of sugary drinks, enriched flour, cheese at every meal, and so forth play any part in obesity?

I totally agree with your second paragraph though.
 
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YorkVol said:
My kids attend public schools, have you seen the food they serve? Who gets to decide what is healthy or not? The government cowtows to the lobbiests to change nutritional standards weekly. The school kitchens are inspected less frequently than the local starbucks and half the food goes in the trash because the kids find it foul. Besides the clearest evidence regarding obesity says it isn't what you eat, it is how much you eat. What happens is the kids skip breakfast, eat a crappy lunch then over indulge when they get home and are unsupervised.

Best thing in my view would be to continue health classes that teach healthy life styles while also allowing schools flexibility to bring in local, healthy alternatives. And keep pushing sports programs, phys ed etc, the kids will play if they have the opportunity.

Oh and by the way, I haven't seen a soda or snack machine outside of a teachers lounge in over 20 years and my kids have been in public schools around the world. We are addressing the wrong issue and being distracted from what is really important.
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I have only seen them in high schools.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
You really don't think over indulgence of sugary drinks, enriched flour, cheese at every meal, and so forth play any part in obesity?

I totally agree with your second paragraph though.
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He said "how much you eat"...that should answer your over indulgence question.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Well gee pj, in a perfect world everyone would mind their own business and no ones actions would effect others. Like Truth was saying though, that isn't reality. In the face of this reality don't think some measures need to be taken?
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you act like this is some sort of utopian concept which tells me we're headed in the wrong direction. If someone needs more of something they should be required to pay for it. Why should others be forced to subsidize their unhealthy lifestyle?

burntorangeVOLffle said:
Where have you heard of public schools determining what can be brought from home? I am against that.
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pretty sure there were others but here was a popular one

Preschooler’s Homemade Lunch Replaced with Cafeteria “Nuggets”
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
You guys can't pretend that as a society we don't have to make decisions that impact the genral public welfare. The decision to allow or not allow the sale of candy in school has nothing to do with your children. It has to do with society as a whole.
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Fail.

You are quite simply forcing your views upon another. Call it what it is.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Fail.

You are quite simply forcing your views upon another. Call it what it is.
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Ok - I'm fine with that label on this issue. I also believe that for the benefit of society we should require children to exercise 30 minutes a day in school.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I have any problem forcing my views on others in the public school setting.

I'm not sure if youve read all my posts, but in his instance of line drawing, I come down firmly on the side that says that there is no harm in stopping the sale of junk food in school. There may actuall be a benefit.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Ok - I'm fine with that label on this issue. I also believe that for the benefit of society we should require children to exercise 30 minutes a day in school.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I have any problem forcing my views on others in the public school setting.

I'm not sure if youve read all my posts, but in his instance of line drawing, I come down firmly on the side that says that there is no harm in stopping the sale of junk food in school. There may actuall be a benefit.
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Seriously?

You have view A. You think view A has a great benefit upon society. You don't want view A to be instilled in just your child, but rather thwarted upon everyone else's child. That is forcing your view upon other people. If you don't want your child drinking sugary drinks or eating Snickers at school, that is your prerogative. Leave other the other children to their parent's wishes.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Seriously?

You have view A. You think view A has a great benefit upon society. You don't want view A to be instilled in just your child, but rather thwarted upon everyone else's child. That is forcing your view upon other people. If you don't want your child drinking sugary drinks or eating Snickers at school, that is your prerogative. Leave other the other children to their parent's wishes.
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I don't think you read my post correctly.
 
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My overall theory of education is simple. If you teach kids how to learn...they can educate themselves about sex, health and other issues.

Between the social agenda, political correctness and memorization for standardized health scores, nobody has any time to teach logic and reason anymore. It is making us dumber.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Seriously?

You have view A. You think view A has a great benefit upon society. You don't want view A to be instilled in just your child, but rather thwarted upon everyone else's child. That is forcing your view upon other people. If you don't want your child drinking sugary drinks or eating Snickers at school, that is your prerogative. Leave other the other children to their parent's wishes.
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Do you endorse the freedom of pink slime too?
 
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Lexvol said:
My overall theory of education is simple. If you teach kids how to learn...they can educate themselves about sex, health and other issues.

Between the social agenda, political correctness and memorization for standardized health scores, nobody has any time to teach logic and reason anymore. It is making us dumber.
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Truth.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
You guys can't pretend that as a society we don't have to make decisions that impact the genral public welfare. The decision to allow or not allow the sale of candy in school has nothing to do with your children. It has to do with society as a whole.

Hypotheticl example: I think I should be allowed to drive with a .15 blood alcohol level. In fact, I'm rather good at it - more cautious than when sober for sure. Should it be legal? Hell no. Looking out for the general public welfare is vastly more important as many people suck at driving with even a .08 bac.

We live in a society. Not every policy decisim can come down to what works for you personally .
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The problem is the prohibition on the sale of candy (which doesn't happen btw) gets extended to a general prohibition across the school. So that means you can't send in cupcakes for your kids birthday, or the teacher can't toss a jolly rancher out to a kid who answered a question correctly.

Also, just how do you account for the variety of healthy choices when you insist on centralizing the decision making? I've been in schools where you would see a variety from Bento boxes to peanut butter and jelly. Who gets to say which one is acceptable?

Finally, it is an issue of freedom. We now have prohibitions on peanut butter due to the slight risk of exposure to someone with peanut allergies. And we have food inspectors yanking kids homemade lunches from them and replacing them with the school lunch.

Seems the only thing we are teaching the kids is adults are idiots.
 
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In the 80's we didn't have vending machines in our school (don't know about the rest of you) and it never came accross my mind we needed them.
 
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I can recall Surge being 25 cents a can at my school in the 90's, and you could buy ice cream right after lunch for 50 cents.

We also had a lot of bake sales and would be rewarded with free cotton candy if we made good grades and didn't get into serious trouble every 6 weeks.
 
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This just in, obesity rates drop in countries where there are no video games, more playgrounds, and more PE requirements in schools.
 
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YorkVol said:
The problem is the prohibition on the sale of candy (which doesn't happen btw) gets extended to a general prohibition across the school. So that means you can't send in cupcakes for your kids birthday, or the teacher can't toss a jolly rancher out to a kid who answered a question correctly.

Also, just how do you account for the variety of healthy choices when you insist on centralizing the decision making? I've been in schools where you would see a variety from Bento boxes to peanut butter and jelly. Who gets to say which one is acceptable?

Finally, it is an issue of freedom. We now have prohibitions on peanut butter due to the slight risk of exposure to someone with peanut allergies. And we have food inspectors yanking kids homemade lunches from them and replacing them with the school lunch.

Seems the only thing we are teaching the kids is a lot of adults are idiots.
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fyp...not all of us. Some of us are actually adults.
 
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