OC or Huepel ???

[cobbwebb0710]

We got our asses handed to us last year in the other Columbia when Golesh was OC. USF is 5-5 and beat Uconn by 3 points in a comeback win--remember them? I don't think a lack of Golesh is the problem.

Can we give Mizzou a little credit?
They pretty much punched us in the mouth from the get go and we never really responded.
Mizzou was the tougher of the 2 teams and I tip my cap to them.
The Schrader kid is a damn tough player!

 

[Foggerman]

I dont think they trust Milton enough to make good decisions to fully open the playbook.

And how many points have been left on the field this year with dropped passes, missed passes by Milton, fumbles, and missed blocking assignments by the O line?

I'm probably looking at that before I get too wrapped up in the play calling.

Team has squandered a lot of chances that the offense didn't squander last year.

I’ve wondered this myself. If this is indeed the case why not let nico get some reps? Sure it’ll burn his redshirt. If something don’t change, CJH and company won’t be around in 3-4 years to benefit from the redshirt anyways. U can’t cripple today, on what u hope is a bright tomorrow.

 

[Foggerman]

I dont think they trust Milton enough to make good decisions to fully open the playbook.

And how many points have been left on the field this year with dropped passes, missed passes by Milton, fumbles, and missed blocking assignments by the O line?

I'm probably looking at that before I get too wrapped up in the play calling.

Team has squandered a lot of chances that the offense didn't squander last year.

You’re exactly right. Lots of points left on the field because of drops, bad throws, etc etc etc etc.

 

[Foggerman]

Can we give Mizzou a little credit?
They pretty much punched us in the mouth from the get go and we never really responded.
Mizzou was the tougher of the 2 teams and I tip my cap to them.
The Schrader kid is a damn tough player!

Yes. Give Missouri all the credit. They showed up. They balled out. Missouri rb #7 had a hell of a game. Probably the game of his life last night. Congrats young man. Respect.

 

[njvols]

Tennessee has no offensive identity this year. My question is this. Is the OC at fault for not calling the right plays? Does he not trust Milton to run the offense? Does Huepel have the OC in a chokehold and restricting the play calling? On the outside looking in, Alex Golesh was the “offensive mastermind” from last year. Milton can’t run this offense at the stupid fast pace they like to run, can’t make the throws needed to keep the offense on the field. CJH seems content with this average performance game after game. CJH has a problem playing on the road. What are others thoughts. Discuss………

I think combination of JH having to go run-heavy/basic offense plan w/ Milton and underestimating the impact of Golesh.

When you go fast and have no creativity or high level execution from QB, and you hit multiple 3 and out's either back to back or in a quarter, it totally kills momentum, leaves D on the field and you get what we got yesterday.

 

[jbr82]

It’s a talent problem.

That may be part of it. But Florida and Missouri talent isn’t that much better.

 

[Rocky Top T]

Both are to blame for that crap last night

 

[JoeMiltonsAgent]

You’re exactly right. Lots of points left on the field because of drops, bad throws, etc etc etc etc.

Yeah...just. look at yesterday for an example.

2 fumbles in Missouri territory and an INT return for a TD.

Not saying that's the difference in the game....Missouri just whipped them all game on the trenches.... but they sure didn't help themselves yesterday.

 

[Bluetickdevildog1076]

Honestly I don't know what to think! How much is it on Milton? Vols have RPO offense correct? The offensive scheme hasn't changed. The QB must read the defense and the receivers must be on the same page. From the OC's play calling, to the players on the field plenty of blame to go around. If we new what plays were called and when (check with Michigan for that), we could have a better understanding who's more at fault.

 

[VolForLife83]

Where was the imagination from our run game except to run between the tackles? Where did we attack them that they weren't waiting? Where was the passes to backs in the flats to slow their front down. Where was the QB runs we had been using to loosen the defense up? Where was the TE routes down the seam and creating mis matches?

Every team worth a crap will try and stop our run...we never scheme to counter that except to run against a brick wall and then abandon it and let Milton try and win it with his arm which he cannot do.

I agree. No creativity. Once they get beat at point of attack, it's like they have no answer or back up plan.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

One and the same. Heupel calls plays. /thread

You know this as fact?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Milton’s inabilities at the QB position has severely limited the play calling abilities. Halze is a first time play caller so that does factor into it. I mean look at how Heupel has had to basically shift the offense to a run heavy style. Because if Joes limitations. Ask yourself this, if we had Hooker yesterday, do you think the offense still looks inept even with Halze/Heupel? No freaking way.

It’s completely obvious at this point that the offensive problems are mostly due to Joes limitations.

 

[vavolfan6]

Yes, UT has averaged over 200 a game on the ground on O this year. However, UT averaged about 100 per game vs UF, UA, and Mizz! That stat needs to be much better! But, it will not as long as UT DOESN'T HAVE a QB that has very good pocket presence, can't stretch the field, throw over the middle, or make touch passes when necessary!!!

How are you going to blame Milton and the passing game for the lack of rushing yards when he threw on average of 270 yards for those 3 games?

Anyone who watched the game yesterday could see Mizzou manhandled us in the run game. It had nothing to do with Joe, though I wish he kept it more the 1st half. They dominated us in the trenches fromt the first snap.

 

[Longhorn Vol]

Show Martinez and Banks the door. That is all

What he said.^^^

 

[loservol]

70% Milton and 30% inexperienced OC. At season end, Heupel should look outside the complex for an upgrade at OC.

 

[hillsborovol]

You trying to say that missouri has more talent than ut?

No, but you don't win all the games with equal or slightly better talent, especially in an SEC road game. They do have a better WR but he played hurt. Last year, we overwhelmed some teams with superior talent.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Show Martinez and Banks the door. That is all

Yep, that will get our offense going? Nope.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Tennessee has no offensive identity this year. My question is this. Is the OC at fault for not calling the right plays? Does he not trust Milton to run the offense? Does Huepel have the OC in a chokehold and restricting the play calling? On the outside looking in, Alex Golesh was the “offensive mastermind” from last year. Milton can’t run this offense at the stupid fast pace they like to run, can’t make the throws needed to keep the offense on the field. CJH seems content with this average performance game after game. CJH has a problem playing on the road. What are others thoughts. Discuss………

Sure. They have better offensive players at most positions including the most important ones like QB, TE, and Tackles.

 

[Born a VOL]

Yea. I’m not talking about the defense in this thread. While I agree with you both. My concern has been the offense all year. The magic from last year is gone.

I agree . The magic is in Detroit now . Milton can not think . I hope he got a good education because I do not believe football is his future.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Tennessee has no offensive identity this year. My question is this. Is the OC at fault for not calling the right plays? Does he not trust Milton to run the offense? Does Huepel have the OC in a chokehold and restricting the play calling? On the outside looking in, Alex Golesh was the “offensive mastermind” from last year. Milton can’t run this offense at the stupid fast pace they like to run, can’t make the throws needed to keep the offense on the field. CJH seems content with this average performance game after game. CJH has a problem playing on the road. What are others thoughts. Discuss………

For the millionth time, Josh Huepel calls the plays and he always has.

 

[Foggerman]

For the millionth time, Josh Huepel calls the plays and he always has.

Damn bud. U ok? I only asked this once if I’m not mistaken. Glad to have your input though. If u know this to be fact about CJH calling the plays, then I guess the OC doesn’t really matter then. Right? Only I asked what changed from last year to this year. The OC is a big difference, along with certain players. I was curious w

 

[Foggerman]

For the millionth time, Josh Huepel calls the plays and he always has.

Damn bud. U ok? I only asked this once if I’m not mistaken. Glad to have your input though. If u know this to be fact about CJH calling the plays, then I guess the OC doesn’t really matter then. Right? Only I asked what changed from last year to this year. The OC is a big difference, along with certain players. I was curious what other knowledgeable people were thinking is all. I have my opinion, as I’m sure u do to.

 

[volaholic1969]

Funny how talent and magic go together, isn't volaholic?

My issue is all the people who're unbale to see the forest because of the trees. Our coach inherited an absolute sh*t show of a program and beat 3 of the past 4 national champions in years 2.

Last night was an absolutely abysmal loss because of the recruiting gap between the two programs, no question. But to think we should be competing for the SEC or national championship this year was optimistic, to say the least.

2023 College Football Team Talent Composite

We haven't had top tier talent in years. Caught lightning in a bottle last year. Like Missouri is this year. It happens

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Damn bud. U ok? I only asked this once if I’m not mistaken. Glad to have your input though. If u know this to be fact about CJH calling the plays, then I guess the OC doesn’t really matter then. Right? Only I asked what changed from last year to this year. The OC is a big difference, along with certain players. I was curious what other knowledgeable people were thinking is all. I have my opinion, as I’m sure u do to.

It's pretty simple. We lost an elite QB and 2 elite WRs to the NFL and took a step back. That's it. It's pretty logical. Everyone knew Milton wasn't capable of taking us to the playoffs, but he was capable of a 9 or 10 win season. And that is more than good enough in a "bridge" year.

 

[LivinginthePast]

Not having a qb that can scramble and make big throws is the main problem. It takes someone who can take charge. It will eliminate a lot of problems. Sure we can run sometimes. But qb play is key.

Our defense has been good. But it was liquid last game. We played soft coverages. Not sure why.

We rely on running. When we can’t run it’s over. Our offensive staff and coach don’t have enough confidence in Milton to win. They keep running and not gaining yards. Makes sense I guess. Milton won’t win the game for us. Reminds me of tee Martin years. Only difference is we won games with defense and run game. And luck sometimes lol.