Offense issues

[Golfprovol]

These screen shots (sorry they are not centered on the issue) show what are the issues for our offense. Hendon hit these and Nico doesnt see them

Our offense and scoring doesn't have issues, the execution of it isn't what it was in 2022. This doesn't go against CJH, but rather players completing their assignments.

Receiver at the top has 3 yards on defender for a walk in TD. This happens 4-5 times per game. Hendon throws this for a TD, Nico doesnt see it.

This screen shot show the player missing the block on the punter that stopped a TD. This isnt coaching this is execution. The guy puts his hands on his helmet knowing he blew the assignment. This kind of stuff happens 3-4 times per game.

 

[jeff1vol]

Its f-ing terrible. We simply have dumb players. I don't mean to be mean, but their really is no excuse at this point in the season for all these STUPID screw ups, penalties and missed opportunities. Whomever it is to blame still falls at the HC feet! CJH needs to fix this GARBAGE IMMEDIATELY! It's the difference between being a contender and an also-ran. Right now... we are the latter. FOUR YEARS into his "program". Cmon. NOW we struggle to score 20 pts????? WTF?

 

[Vol8188]

These screen shots (sorry they are not centered on the issue) show what are the issues for our offense. Hendon hit these and Nico doesnt see them

Our offense and scoring doesn't have issues, the execution of it isn't what it was in 2022. This doesn't go against CJH, but rather players completing their assignments.

Receiver at the top has 3 yards on defender for a walk in TD. This happens 4-5 times per game. Hendon throws this for a TD, Nico doesnt see it.View attachment 698739

This screen shot show the player missing the block on the punter that stopped a TD. This isnt coaching this is execution. The guy puts his hands on his helmet knowing he blew the assignment. This kind of stuff happens 3-4 times per game.

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You’re going to find screen shots of open guys for big plays from any QB ever. You can find them with Manning, Brady, Mahommes, etc.

It’s impossible to see every WR on every play. So you stick to your progressions and sometimes your progressions will cause you to miss someone who is open. That’s okay. You stick with the process because the process works most of the time.

 

[lostsheep]

I agree that players are responsible for executing the play, but at the end of the day it is the coaches responsibility to ensure execution.
Continued lack of execution reflects no existing plan to address the issue.

I may screw up on my job a few times and my boss not get blamed for it. However, if I don't correct the behavior it reflects poorly on him as well.

 

[Golfprovol]

You’re going to find screen shots of open guys for big plays from any QB ever. You can find them with Manning, Brady, Mahommes, etc.

It’s impossibly to see every WR on every play. So you stick to your progressions and sometimes your progressions will cause you to miss someone who is open. That’s okay. You stick with the process because the process works most of the time.

True, but that isn't the point, the point is Hendon hit this more often than Nico does. Hendon saw them more often than Nico does.

Point being the offense is working the same as it did in 2022, we are just stuck with a freshman QB who doesnt see them game as slow as the QB everyone is comparing him to.

 

[Golfprovol]

I agree that players are responsible for executing the play, but at the end of the day it is the coaches responsibility to ensure execution.
Continued lack of execution reflects no existing plan to address the issue.

I may screw up on my job a few times and my boss not get blamed for it. However, if I don't correct the behavior it reflects poorly on him as well.

Nope, if you screw up your job once, he gets the heat, after that it is all on YOU. I assume your boss has told you and shown you how to do your job....if you can't complete it then you are to blame...not him.

Lead a horse to water....

 

[CAVPUT]

You’re going to find screen shots of open guys for big plays from any QB ever. You can find them with Manning, Brady, Mahommes, etc.

It’s impossibly to see every WR on every play. So you stick to your progressions and sometimes your progressions will cause you to miss someone who is open. That’s okay. You stick with the process because the process works most of the time.

Suspect another second provided by a better OL might be just what Nico needs. Did wonders for Beck.

 

[aRmo]

Execution has been an issue all season. We are what we are at this point. Im confused on some of the play calling Saturday night. 4th and 7 and you are running 15 to 20yd crossers. 3rd downs UGA is showing blitz and you dont have a slant route called. Nico not seeing the field yet may be due to his youth, but multiple times the TE or check down was wide open. He did a great job with it the 1st QTR but got away from it for some reason. The fact that Banks has yet to figure out how to cover UGA's TE's is criminal. They have blistered us with that the past few seasons. Still lots of work to do.

 

[CAVPUT]

Nope, if you screw up your job once, he gets the heat, after that it is all on YOU. I assume your boss has told you and shown you how to do your job....if you can't complete it then you are to blame...not him.

Lead a horse to water....

Problem is that some of these players have no one behind them to take their place and they know it. Competition makes everyone better. We need better evals and recruiting.

 

[kell7517]

My opinion is Nico doesn’t read the defenses correctly, pre-snap. Experience? Coaching? Most of his completions are stare downs and the ball gets there right at separation (albeit a small one). Every once in a while he gets through a few reads and makes the correct one. But it’s not often.

 

[Visidog]

You’re going to find screen shots of open guys for big plays from any QB ever. You can find them with Manning, Brady, Mahommes, etc.

It’s impossibly to see every WR on every play. So you stick to your progressions and sometimes your progressions will cause you to miss someone who is open. That’s okay. You stick with the process because the process works most of the time.

100% this. Screenshots of open guys often don’t tell the whole story. A QB has a progression and will follow it: “if that safety goes left then I read the LB on the right and throw whichever way he doesn’t go”, etc. He’s not standing back there and looking for open jerseys. There’s no time for that. Somebody might break wide open on a side that the QB has mentally declared dead by alignment, but that’s on the play design, not the QB. If the first read is open, he’ll throw it—even if the second read would have been more open. Once you look for the second read, the first might be gone.

 

[Vol8188]

True, but that isn't the point, the point is Hendon hit this more often than Nico does. Hendon saw them more often than Nico does.

Point being the offense is working the same as it did in 2022, we are just stuck with a freshman QB who doesnt see them game as slow as the QB everyone is comparing him to.

How old was Hendon and how good were his WRs? Tillman is lighting it up in the nfl.

Compare 2nd year in college hooker to second year in college Nico if you eat a fair comparison

 

[Golfprovol]

How old was Hendon and how good were his WRs? Tillman is lighting it up in the nfl.

Compare 2nd year in college hooker to second year in college Nico if you eat a fair comparison

Exactly, so everyone comparing Hendon of 2022 to Nico of 2024 are delusional.

 

[CAVPUT]

Its f-ing terrible. We simply have dumb players. I don't mean to be mean, but their really is no excuse at this point in the season for all these STUPID screw ups, penalties and missed opportunities. Whomever it is to blame still falls at the HC feet! CJH needs to fix this GARBAGE IMMEDIATELY! It's the difference between being a contender and an also-ran. Right now... we are the latter. FOUR YEARS into his "program". Cmon. NOW we struggle to score 20 pts????? WTF?

I think we need a hard arse or three on this staff. A guy like Cutcliff who demands attention to detail and won't tolerate these types of mistakes. If Heupel was disturbed by these repeated issues, he'd have done something to correct it by year 4 yet here we are.

 

[CAVPUT]

How old was Hendon and how good were his WRs? Tillman is lighting it up in the nfl.

Compare 2nd year in college hooker to second year in college Nico if you eat a fair comparison

Makes what Lagway is doing as a true freshman even more impressive.

 

[Golfprovol]

100% this. Screenshots of open guys often don’t tell the whole story. A QB has a progression and will follow it: “if that safety goes left then I read the LB on the right and throw whichever way he doesn’t go”, etc. He’s not standing back there and looking for open jerseys. There’s no time for that. Somebody might break wide open on a side that the QB has mentally declared dead by alignment, but that’s on the play design, not the QB. If the first read is open, he’ll throw it—even if the second read would have been more open. Once you look for the second read, the first might be gone.

So you are saying the read there is to ignore the guy with 3 yards and throw it to the sideline to a guy with no separation? Makes a lot of sense.

You are missing the point. Point being when people compare this offense to 2022 and say the play calling is bad, they are basically comparing Hendon to Nico. Hendon hits the guy with 3 yards, Nico throws it out of bounds

 

[Fatman Photos]

You mentioned Hendon, Hendon had been playing for 5 years in college, this is Nico's first year.

 

[Golfprovol]

Suspect another second provided by a better OL might be just what Nico needs. Did wonders for Beck.

Watch the play, he never looks left

 

[Golfprovol]

You mentioned Hendon, Hendon had been playing for 5 years in college, this is Nico's first year.

Exactly, which is why I am saying the comparison between 2022 & 2024 are ridiculous

 

[DeansRedHalo]

IMO, it's a myriad of things:

1) Just like we're seeing in the NFL, teams are now staying out in a 2-high shell with the safeties on the hashes for most of the game and for many teams nickel is their default defense package. It's harder to get shot plays and it's harder to create mismatches.

2) The OL is an area of concern, therefore we need the extra TEs to help out run blocking and for some pass pro, but that limits the formations and concepts from what we're used to seeing.

3) No elite deep threat WR ala Hyatt. Thornton is the closest we have.

4) Subpar play from the QB and WR position. Enough has been said about the drops, but TBH Nico: fails to see wide open WRs running in green grass, is late delivering the ball when he does recognize his target, feels the pressure and pulls his eyes down. I dunno, I'm not a QB guru but it just looks like he's a young QB in a tough league and despite the fact that we all wanted him to be the second coming of <<insert favorite QB here>> and paid him lots of NIL money he's just not there yet. I believe he can be, but he's still developing in an offense that is being held back by all the things we've already talked about.

We are absolutely devoid of almost any production at all in the middle of the field. Hooker ate these up, and often these would be his secondary or tertiary read and you could watch him bring his head back to the middle and find his man time and time again (he had time and we weren't formation/concept limited). Even Milton was pretty consistent at hitting slants and deeper digs; we don't see any of these concepts this year and I think it's because we're bowling with bumper rails.

 

[bpalmer28]

True, but that isn't the point, the point is Hendon hit this more often than Nico does. Hendon saw them more often than Nico does.

Point being the offense is working the same as it did in 2022, we are just stuck with a freshman QB who doesnt see them game as slow as the QB everyone is comparing him to.

I don’t think that’s true at all. Seems to me like we aren’t dialing up many deep routes because our OL can’t hold up that long. When we do, Nico either gets sack or is flushed out of the pocket

 

[Golfprovol]

I don’t think that’s true at all. Seems to me like we aren’t dialing up many deep routes because our OL can’t hold up that long. When we do, Nico either gets sack or is flushed out of the pocket

Watch the play, he never looks left. We have receivers running in open space, he just doesn't see it yet. May be the OL, may be him, point is comparing 2022 & 2024 is ridiculous. The game is still fast for Nico and it wasn't for a 5 year player like Hendon

 

[UT97Vol]

I also think this sort of thing comes from experience. When Nico is 22 years old he will see the whole field and not miss receivers running open. In fact, he will have a better sense of which receivers are going to be open even before the ball is snapped as he grows.

What we should hope is that he begins to do this in year two and doesn't need to be an upper classman to get to that point. When his ability to read the defense comes into focus and he gets more accurate on the deep ball, the offense is going to look like '22. It's probably not happening this year, but there's no reason to believe we won't begin to see some of that growth as we get into '25.

 

[lostsheep]

Nope, if you screw up your job once, he gets the heat, after that it is all on YOU. I assume your boss has told you and shown you how to do your job....if you can't complete it then you are to blame...not him.

Lead a horse to water....

Ha!
So, to make sure I understand your logic, if I screw up repeatedly and my boss doesn't correct my behavior...it is all on me??
Here in corporate world, this isn't anywhere near reality.

Yes, the players need to execute, but it is Heupel's responsibility to ensure they execute.

 

[YankeeVol]

How old was Hendon and how good were his WRs? Tillman is lighting it up in the nfl.

Compare 2nd year in college hooker to second year in college Nico if you eat a fair comparison

He's had a couple of good games the last few weeks. Wouldn't say he "lighting it up" quite yet.