Offense too fast?

[AndyMizunogolfer]

I realize that our Defense is not good. Not even close to good. Although our offense is not helping us out much. Yeah they are putting tons of points up. I have no problem in that. Except that we only had 2 drives that took 3+ minutes off the clock. We have to be able to sustain a drive and eat up some of the clock. Troy had what 37 mins for time of possession. While I know we had blown coverages, missed tackles, and assignment issues. We also gave the defense little to no rest. I am almost ready to see us back in the huddle instead of the fast paced offense we are running. Lets eat some clock up. While its great that we have all this offense. It is terrible that we are unable to eat any clock up to help our defense that we all know is terrible.

 

[spudvol]

Defense is supposed to get its own azz off the field.

 

[OrangeByBirth]

The offense has a job -- score.
The defense has a job -- get the ball for the offense.

It is NOT a problem with the offense.

 

[volquest86]

Defense is supposed to get its own azz off the field.

Amen! No need to disrupt the current flow that this offense has right now. consistantcy is a must to prevent any possible hiccups on the Offense. The D just needs to work a little harder on not being so flippin bad!

 

[AndyMizunogolfer]

Amen! No need to disrupt the current flow that this offense has right now. consistantcy is a must to prevent any possible hiccups on the Offense. The D just needs to work a little harder on not being so flippin bad!

Ok everyone is screaming for adjusments by the coaches. Wouldn't you want to adjust your offense to actually put together a driver lasting more than 2 minutes. I mean we all know at this point our defense is bad. You have to help them out some though.

 

[R481967]

Message to Sal: "Blitz." Forget our secondary... they can't cover no matter what.

 

[OrangeByBirth]

Ok everyone is screaming for adjusments by the coaches. Wouldn't you want to adjust your offense to actually put together a driver lasting more than 2 minutes. I mean we all know at this point our defense is bad. You have to help them out some though.

The offense helps them out by scoring more than the defense gives up. If a drive lasts 15 minutes and scores a TD then the defense has to stop 'em. Otherwise, the offense just has to score again. The number of possessions only determines the maximum available scores. A 3 - 0 win is a W. So is 55 - 48. If the defense wants to sit on the sidelines they need to stop the other team. It is just that simple.

 

[Sharriscgcs]

Ok everyone is screaming for adjusments by the coaches. Wouldn't you want to adjust your offense to actually put together a driver lasting more than 2 minutes. I mean we all know at this point our defense is bad. You have to help them out some though.

At this point it is obvious that the only way we can win is to score on nearly every offensive possession.

You cannot ask the offense to "not score so fast" that's not their style. If you disrupt the rythem of the offense, then they may not be productive. If that happens we are SCREWED!

 

[Jax_Vol]

Oregon has the answer to this problem...you have two defenses

 

[AndyMizunogolfer]

The offense helps them out by scoring more than the defense gives up. If a drive lasts 15 minutes and scores a TD then the defense has to stop 'em. Otherwise, the offense just has to score again. The number of possessions only determines the maximum available scores. A 3 - 0 win is a W. So is 55 - 48. If the defense wants to sit on the sidelines they need to stop the other team. It is just that simple.

In the first qtr they were stopping them. Then our offense went 3 and out in about 1 minute. Then we tried a FG and missed. That drive lasted another 1 minute. I think actually slowing the game down some with our offense would help the defense. If you can limit the other teams offense from being on the field it can only help you. When you know you have a bad defense. We aren't playing in the wac/acc/pacwhatever. So scoring on 1 and 2 minute drives are not helping you.

 

[theoranganator]

Andy i agree with you. This fast pace offense doesnt help our D at all. We want to keep our defense on the sideline as much as possible. Those 3 and outs kill us!!! And it has for years even before the kifin or dooley era. You have to be able to pound the football to be successful.

 

[zreeves]

no.

 

[BigOrange15]

You score how you can. Period.

 

[mcashawn0304]

i really wish we had more 12 play drives ending in field goal attempts instead of 4-5 play drives scoring touchdowns

 

[bam15]

Offenses which tend to score fast or run redball/no-huddle for the good majority of plays also lean toward defenses which allow a great deal of points. This is simple math. The more and faster you score, the more possessions the opposing teams will have. Many offensive juggernauts right now have seemingly terrible defenses as per always and this applies to the NFL and CFB. That isn't to say our defense isn't actually atrocious, but nevertheless, is a valid point that should be thrown in discussion. Just another reason many teams are changing strength and conditioning programs. It is a mentality that is simple: 1. We're going to wear out their defense before they do the same to ours. 2. Keep personnel limited for the defense. 3. Simplify communication to make the offense more efficient.

 

[bam15]

Offenses which tend to score fast or run redball/no-huddle for the good majority of plays also lean toward defenses which allow a great deal of points. This is simple math. The more and faster you score, the more possessions the opposing teams will have. Many offensive juggernauts right now have seemingly terrible defenses as per always and this applies to the NFL and CFB. That isn't to say our defense isn't actually atrocious, but nevertheless, is a valid point that should be thrown in discussion. Just another reason many teams are changing strength and conditioning programs. It is a mentality that is simple: 1. We're going to wear out their defense before they do the same to ours. 2. Keep personnel limited for the defense. 3. Simplify communication to make the offense more efficient.

And will also mention that this could go the opposite way which as someone smartly mentioned in another thread, is partially responsible for our offense putting up ridiculous numbers.

 

[CharlestonSCVol]

Gives more time for the defense to figure things out imo but that doesn't look like its happening anyways.

 

[aussievol]

To be able to score 50+ pts in a game you have to score fairly quickly. Any defense that wishes their offense didnt score 55 pts in a game needs to talk to Oregon's D and see if they have an issue with their offense. I doubt it.

 

[Neyland2nd2none]

Would we really not be as productive on offense if we huddled up?

I think we could be effective moving the ball with or without a huddle.

We obviously would be less likely to score as many points burning a few extra seconds every play by huddling but so would the other team. JMO

 

[Voldemonium]

This whole line of thinking needs to stop. Our offense just dropped 55pts on a team and people are trying to blame our defensive ineptitude on the Tyler Bray & Company for scoring too quickly? Seriously!? It's the responsibility of the defense to stop the other team. '12 UT is not a slow grind offense. We don't have a Trent Richardson, Marcus Latimore, Gurshall, Gillislee, etc. What we have is a stable full of scat backs and a MLB who comes in for short yardage situations. Any attempt to make this offense a grind the clock-type team will simply lower their efficiency.

How about we hire a DC that knows how to communicate to 18-22yr olds. Or a HC that can help the DC out when he's struggling. Dooley's response 2wks ago that he doesn't fiddle with the defensive side (only offense & special teams) was pretty damning. Seems like they could use the extra help. Mabey next time we'll hire a HC & DC that have actually been coordinators before.

 

[JimVol]

This is absolute craziness!
We have one of the best offensive units right now and I am hearing that we need to slow the offense down?

Y'all do realize that the only reason we were competitive in the big games is because of that high powered offense.

Does Oregon or USCsr need to slow down their offense?

Heck no!

The Defense needs to play defense and quit leaning on the offense to bail them out.

I hope Bray and Co hang 50 plus on Mizzou this Saturday.

I say put on more steam. Score 60 if possible.

GBO...BEAT MIZZOU!!!!

 

[Oskie Volum]

This whole line of thinking needs to stop. Our offense just dropped 55pts on a team and people are trying to blame our defensive ineptitude on the Tyler Bray & Company for scoring too quickly? Seriously!? It's the responsibility of the defense to stop the other team. '12 UT is not a slow grind offense. We don't have a Trent Richardson, Marcus Latimore, Gurshall, Gillislee, etc. What we have is a stable full of scat backs and a MLB who comes in for short yardage situations. Any attempt to make this offense a grind the clock-type team will simply lower their efficiency.

How about we hire a DC that knows how to communicate to 18-22yr olds. Or a HC that can help the DC out when he's struggling. Dooley's response 2wks ago that he doesn't fiddle with the defensive side (only offense & special teams) was pretty damning. Seems like they could use the extra help. Mabey next time we'll hire a HC & DC that have actually been coordinators before.

No one is blaming bray and company. It's logical reasoning. If the D has to be out there so much they will get tired and they have less time to get coached on the sidelines. I'm a firm believer our 3-4 transition was done this yr cause the O was set up to score a bunch. It really didnt score as much as it should have vs UF, USCjr and Bama. It's not blaming them but all expected them to be high power this yr.

The D has also stepped it up a few times his yr and stopped the opponent just for our O to go 3 and out or not score by turning it over. Did it twice in a row vs Troy in the 4th and there was the big fake punt by UF the D stopped. What happened??? 3 and out. Our D isn't where it needs to be right now, but our O is. So when the D does get it done the O needs to take advantage of it. Simply cause the O is our strongest suit.

 

[AndyMizunogolfer]

This is absolute craziness!
We have one of the best offensive units right now and I am hearing that we need to slow the offense down?

Y'all do realize that the only reason we were competitive in the big games is because of that high powered offense.

Does Oregon or USCsr need to slow down their offense?

Heck no!

The Defense needs to play defense and quit leaning on the offense to bail them out.

I hope Bray and Co hang 50 plus on Mizzou this Saturday.

I say put on more steam. Score 60 if possible.

GBO...BEAT MIZZOU!!!!

Who cares about OR or USC? Neither of them play in the sec. I understand we have to play to our strengths which is offense. No doubt that our defense is horrible. Although you have to also make adjustments to help them. If that means going from a no huddle hurry up offense to actually going to a huddle to eat atleast 1-2 more minutes of clock then I say lets do it. Atleast try it for 1 or 2 series and see if you hurt the timing of the offense any. We have got to do something to slow the other team down some and limit their time of possesion. We can say "well the defense needs to do their job" until we are blue in the face. Or we can face the fact that they cant do their job and adjust to it.

Watching the game in person made me see that we are slow. Our defense is slow on reacting they play with no instincts. Our DB's have no clue when they need to try to turn around. Our DL is getting no pressure on the QB. That in itself makes it easy pickings for a team who can throw the ball around.

 

[theFallGuy]

The offense has a job -- score.
The defense has a job -- get the ball for the offense.

It is NOT a problem with the offense.

uhh negative. you use the run to eat up clock. it's called play calling and Dooley doesn't do it

 

[OrangeByBirth]

uhh negative. you use the run to eat up clock. it's called play calling and Dooley doesn't do it

I can hear it now ... "We won time of possession. The score doesn't matter." That is total crap. The team that scores the most wins. I played linebacker. I understand what defense is. Running is a way to move the ball. Passing is a way to move the ball. The UT run game has not been a problem this year. Other team's running games have been ... as has their passing. The play calling has not been perfect but it is not THE problem with 2012's UT Vols.