Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[Volsfaninva917]

Was this sarcasm?

Are you going to tell me that there's land thousands of feet under ice and water

 

[UT_Dutchman]

I said most life, not all life. And yes, that meteorite did kill much of life on this planet.

There will be another one...

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Nope.

What do you do that you say that. Or, is it you just think the ol world is SO BIG we just caint possibly pollute it so much we kill off so many species of flora and fauna it becomes a barren wasteland?

 

[VolStrom]

Rising sea levels come from two sources

1. Melting of land ice as posted above me

2. Thermal expansion of water as ocean temperature rises

OK. So what is your response to the fact that Antartica was once a tropical paradise?

 

[FLVOL_79]

What do you do that you say that. Or, is it you just think the ol world is SO BIG we just caint possibly pollute it so much we kill off so many species of flora and fauna it becomes a barren wasteland?

World is pretty big. Did you know the deepest hole we've ever dug is only about 7 miles deep? Earf has a radius of about 4000 miles. We ain't even scratched the surface..

 

[Orangedogsrule]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/world/asia/china-renewable-energy-investment.html

We could be attempting to have a lot of these jobs here in America, but the plan seems to be to pretend the coal industry can provide more jobs than multiple alternative energy sources could provide, with a lesser impact on the environment.

I spent my whole career in base line power station (hydro, coal, oil, natural gas, and nuclear) design, construction, and maintenance.

"Free" energy (wind, solar, hydro) is not free.

"The Astounding Cost of Free Energy"

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_energy07.htm

I'm not saying I have the answers. But the "green energy" push has troubles. Many which we may not be able to overcome in a timely manner. About 45 years ago I worked on the engineering design/ construction (not the "science") for the molten salt fission demonstration reactor and the ELMO Bumpy Torus (EBT) Fusion demonstration reactor "tokamak" in Oak Ridge. We all thought in a few decades molten salt would replace water reactors and tokamak fusion would replace molten salt. Just as Pressurized Water Reactors PWRs had replaced Boiling Water Reactors, and before any of the other schemes such as Advanced Gas Cooled Reactors (AGCR), Liquid Metal Breeder Reactors (LMBR) etc. came about.

My point is none of that has happened. There is NO real reason to be optimistic that wind, solar, and battery storage science will advance fast enough to keep us from freezing in the dark if we do not use the science of nuclear, coal (CO2 sequestration), natural gas, that we already have to meet baseline demands.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

World is pretty big. Did you know the deepest hole we've ever dug is only about 7 miles deep? Earf has a radius of about 4000 miles. We ain't even scratched the surface..

Yep, and we "dissappeared" a whole damn sea off the face of the earth and turned its seabead into a toxic heavy metal, pesticide, and herbicide wasteland.

http://www.artificialowl.net/2009/04/disasters-of-aral-sea-part-1-shipwrecks.html?m=1

 

[LouderVol]

Yep, and we "dissappeared" a whole damn sea off the face of the earth and turned its seabead into a toxic heavy metal, pesticide, and herbicide wasteland.

http://www.artificialowl.net/2009/04/disasters-of-aral-sea-part-1-shipwrecks.html?m=1

this is the stuff that really bothers me.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Also a 7 mile deep hole has nothing,....nothing, to do with how we can affect the biosphere. And that is just a few feet deep on land.

It's NOT about how deep, it is about how many square miles of viable ecosystem we destroy. And we are destroying ecosystems at an accelerating rate.

For surface mining.

https://youtu.be/GF-c5Tn-Xhk

And rainforest destruction.

..."Unbelievably, more than 200,000 acres of rainforest are burned every day. That is more than 150 acres lost every minute of every day, and 78 million acres lost every year! More than 20 percent of the Amazon rainforest is already gone, and much more is severely threatened as the destruction continues. Dec 21, 2012"...

Those nice soft face tissues come at a high cost of old growth timber.

 

[LouderVol]

"Free" energy (wind, solar, hydro) is not free.

and almost none of it is green. anything that takes a rare earth metal, is inherently one of the worst things for this planet. disposal will be a nasty freaking problem as well.

and that ignores what those sources also do to the ecosystem. Wind kills birds in the tens of thousands. Solar requires barren wastelands to be most productive, hydro really messes with river ecosystems.

 

[Persian Vol]

Are you going to tell me that there's land thousands of feet under ice and water

I'm confused on what you think I am trying to say.

 

[Persian Vol]

World is pretty big. Did you know the deepest hole we've ever dug is only about 7 miles deep? Earf has a radius of about 4000 miles. We ain't even scratched the surface..

I don't see what this has to do with pollution in our air.

 

[Persian Vol]

OK. So what is your response to the fact that Antartica was once a tropical paradise?

How exactly does Antarctica's past history of being tropical be of any relevance?

 

[InVOLuntary]

How exactly does Antarctica's past history of being tropical be of any relevance?

I think he's trying to say that the Earth's climate is cyclical naturally going through warming and cooling cycles.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't see what this has to do with pollution in our air.

I think we are going to pump all the bad stuff back into the earth. since the earth is trying to kill since we took it out of her, we will just give it right back.

 

[allvol123]

What do you do that you say that. Or, is it you just think the ol world is SO BIG we just caint possibly pollute it so much we kill off so many species of flora and fauna it becomes a barren wasteland?

I am not part of your Chicken Little community.

But can guarantee you will never see any of these doomsday scenarios that worry you.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

I am not part of your Chicken Little community.

But can guarantee you will never see any of these doomsday scenarios that worry you.

You "guarantee" is worthless, having no more meaning than as if you had said, "Trust me".

 

[Orangedogsrule]

The oceans are really really really big, eh?
I mean REALLY BIG!

http://www.zmescience.com/science/oceanography/fish-stocks-ocean-20012016/

..."The bad thing about it is that in the end everyone will lose. Fish stocks have already gone down massively, fleets will have lower and lower yields, fish will become more expensive and ultimately, the market will probably collapse with the fish stocks."...

And

Scientists Say Only 10%
Of All Big Ocean Fish Left

..."LONDON (Reuters) - Large predatory fish -- marlin, tuna and swordfish -- are disappearing from the world's oceans, [BOLD] with their numbers down by 90 percent in the past 50 years[/BOLD], Canadian scientists said on Wednesday.

"From giant blue marlin to mighty blue fin tuna, and from tropical groupers to Antarctic cod, industrial fishing has scoured the global ocean," said Ransom Myers, a biologist at Dalhousie University in Canada.

"There is no blue frontier left."...

but what they aren't accounting for is Fukishima's continuing radiation releases and its eventual effects of Pacific fisheries.

Monday May 29, 2017
Fukushima Radiation Makes Landfall On U.S. West Coast- And It is Only The Beginning

..."Seaborne Cesium 134, a radioactive isotope released by the 2011 Fukushima disaster, has been detected on the US’ Pacific coast for the first time by independent researchers

After the catastrophic triple meltdown of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in 2011,"...

..."It is incredible that a nuclear disaster that has leaked 300 tons of radioactive water into the ocean every day for the last five years could have no effect on the massive environmental crisis unfolding before our eyes."...

But then we have those who bury their head in the sand ..uh..erm..in this case...water, calling others "Chicken Little".

Its cumulative. Our children and grandchildren are going to be paying for ALL our excesses. I suspect there will be generations in the not too distant future who look back on these times with hatred.

They'll have few choices, if any, of fresh wild fish. There will be little if any rainforests left. The climate will be like hell.

But aint no seven mile deep hole gonna hurt thuh arth. Eh bubba?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

You "guarantee" is worthless, having no more meaning than as if you had said, "Trust me".

So if you're living in constant fear, just sitting around waiting for something catastrophic to happen so you can say told you so then what's the point of living?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Because almost 40% of our population live near the coast. Pretty much every other first would country recognizes this problem and wants to tackle it. Sad we are lagging behind.

I mean we would be one of What, 197 countries to not be in the agreement lol

Although from my understanding the US can't leave the paris agreement in the next four years without Senate approval so I would be shocked if we actually do that

If I've learned nothing else form the last 8 years it's that a president doesn't need senate approval for jack sh!t

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yep, and we "dissappeared" a whole damn sea off the face of the earth and turned its seabead into a toxic heavy metal, pesticide, and herbicide wasteland.

http://www.artificialowl.net/2009/04/disasters-of-aral-sea-part-1-shipwrecks.html?m=1

That looks like a good place to put the rising waters

 

[ShowSomePride]

and almost none of it is green. anything that takes a rare earth metal, is inherently one of the worst things for this planet. disposal will be a nasty freaking problem as well.

and that ignores what those sources also do to the ecosystem. Wind kills birds in the tens of thousands. Solar requires barren wastelands to be most productive, hydro really messes with river ecosystems.

About 300,000 birds or less are killed annually from wind turbines. Compare that to the 100 million - 1 billion birds killed by running into buildings and 3 billion killed by cats...

http://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

http://www.flap.org/faqs.php


However, the location of some wind farms pose a risk to large migratory birds with low reproduction rates. I.e, raptor species that we would prefer to not kill off.


Your statement about solar is too general to address but I agree with your opinion on hydro.

 

[MG1968]

About 300,000 birds or less are killed annually from wind turbines. Compare that to the 100 million - 1 billion birds killed by running into buildings and 3 billion killed by cats...

http://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

http://www.flap.org/faqs.php

And when a homeowner wants to cut down a tree that just so happens to be the home of a snowy owl, the EPA jumps in and declares that person's private property a protected habitat.

 

[ShowSomePride]

And when a homeowner wants to cut down a tree that just so happens to be the home of a snowy owl, the EPA jumps in and declares that person's private property a protected habitat.

Im sorry what is the relevance of this?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

So if you're living in constant fear, just sitting around waiting for something catastrophic to happen so you can say told you so then what's the point of living?

So you in the habit of making up what you think others' lives are like? I'm not "living in fear" at all, I've got a very full life.